What they are hiding is the fact that this once happy family girl transitioned over the past year. What they likely want to keep hidden are the drugs she was on during the transition.

We need common sense transition drug laws and common sense trans laws.

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(03-30-2023 07:41 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What they are hiding is the fact that this once happy family girl transitioned over the past year. What they likely want to keep hidden are the drugs she was on during the transition.

We need common sense transition drug laws and common sense trans laws.

No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

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(04-03-2023 12:24 PM)b2b Wrote:  No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

So you want to take away a person's liberty? How very unpatriotic, let alone opposite of what Republicans constantly say they support.

I'm all for making a law making it illegal to happen until a person is 18, but after that if someone wants to switch gender then I don't care. Have at it.

(04-03-2023 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:24 PM)b2b Wrote:  No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

So you want to take away a person's liberty? How very unpatriotic, let alone opposite of what Republicans constantly say they support.

I'm all for making a law making it illegal to happen until a person is 18, but after that if someone wants to switch gender then I don't care. Have at it.

Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

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(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

So you support liberty when it is in agreement with your viewpoint, but otherwise you don't. Got it. Goes against the supposed belief set that Republicans constantly run on.

(04-03-2023 12:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

So you support liberty when it is in agreement with your viewpoint, but otherwise you don't. Got it. Goes against the supposed belief set that Republicans constantly run on.

Who says I support liberty as you define it? I'm not a Republican.

(04-03-2023 12:41 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

So you support liberty when it is in agreement with your viewpoint, but otherwise you don't. Got it. Goes against the supposed belief set that Republicans constantly run on.

Who says I support liberty as you define it? I'm also not a republican.

Do you support the constitution?

Yes, I do. It's why I say we need laws to be passed that ban this nonsense altogether. That would follow the constitutional process.

(04-03-2023 12:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

So you support liberty when it is in agreement with your viewpoint, but otherwise you don't. Got it. Goes against the supposed belief set that Republicans constantly run on.

There was once a Hippocratic oath, "first do no harm" for medical personnel. This existed like many such oaths, and laws, because unfettered license results in a chaotic breakdown of civilization everywhere it has been tried. We need a baseline of do and don'ts. If someone is past the age of majority and can find an MD who will do the surgery then I'll say it is there business. If they are 10 or 12 or even 16, the response is "Hell no!" Let them live and learn and get away from influencers and sick publicity seeking parent before such an atrocity to them takes place. And maiming a child before they reach maturity and individuate is an atrocity.

if we were as evil as the prog filth we would be happy with them neutering, spaying and aborting their kids.

(04-03-2023 12:45 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, I do. It's why I say we need laws to be passed that ban this nonsense altogether.

Ok, so you don't believe in this part:

Quote:No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And, since you asked, here is the defition from the Oxford dictionary, of which I agree:

Quote:the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

Don't get me wrong, I would never want to go through it or my kids, but if they decide at 18 that they want to do that then it should be their right. I don't agree with doing it before 18, as they are too young to make something of sound judgment at that time. There is a reason we don't establish a child as an adult until 18.

We all talk about freedom, but for a very large percentage of the population it is freedom as long as you agree with their personal viewpoint. That goes for abortion, gay marriage, inoculations, etc., as well, clearly.

(04-03-2023 12:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There was once a Hippocratic oath, "first do no harm" for medical personnel. This existed like many such oaths, and laws, because unfettered license results in a chaotic breakdown of civilization everywhere it has been tried. We need a baseline of do and don'ts. If someone is past the age of majority and can find an MD who will do the surgery then I'll say it is there business. If they are 10 or 12 or even 16, the response is "Hell no!" Let them live and learn and get away from influencers and sick publicity seeking parent before such an atrocity to them takes place. And maiming a child before they reach maturity and individuate is an atrocity.

As far as I know there still is the oath. And I agree with everything you said here. That is why I said 18.

(04-03-2023 01:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:45 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, I do. It's why I say we need laws to be passed that ban this nonsense altogether.

Ok, so you don't believe in this part:

Quote:No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And, since you asked, here is the defition from the Oxford dictionary, of which I agree:

Quote:the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

Don't get me wrong, I would never want to go through it or my kids, but if they decide at 18 that they want to do that then it should be their right. I don't agree with doing it before 18, as they are too young to make something of sound judgment at that time. There is a reason we don't establish a child as an adult until 18.

We all talk about freedom, but for a very large percentage of the population it is freedom as long as you agree with their personal viewpoint. That goes for abortion, gay marriage, inoculations, etc., as well, clearly.

We've got plenty of laws on the books that protect people from themselves. This really isn't complicated. Apparently your view on banning a doctor from creating an open wound that will never heal on a dude's crotch is somehow an "oppressive restriction". These are mental issues that need to be treated another way. Spin it however you want. IDGAF really. If that makes me a fascist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, anti-liberty, etc so be it. I'll wear your label with pride.

(04-03-2023 12:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

So you support liberty when it is in agreement with your viewpoint, but otherwise you don't. Got it. Goes against the supposed belief set that Republicans constantly run on.

what does that even mean?

Define liberty... cuz surely you don't mean the ability to assault another person sure be unrestricted.

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:24 PM)b2b Wrote:  No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

So you want to take away a person's liberty? How very unpatriotic, let alone opposite of what Republicans constantly say they support.

I'm all for making a law making it illegal to happen until a person is 18, but after that if someone wants to switch gender then I don't care. Have at it.

Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

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So you also want to outlaw breast augmentation, tattoos, and piercings?

Or you are willing to make an exception to your moral outrage around body modifications as long as it’s for Susie to have bigger tits for everyone to look at?

If we are going to go hardcore on the “only use what god gave us” stance then boob jobs, low testosterone injections, and viagra are all gone and they are all pretty popular with the MAGA crowd.

Who's the "MAGA crowd"? Look up the surgeries they perform on these poor souls and get back to me. It's not remotely the apples and apples comparison you're trying to make. As far as boob jobs I think it's gross. I don't know anything about Low T or viagra.

(04-03-2023 02:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:24 PM)b2b Wrote:  No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

So you want to take away a person's liberty? How very unpatriotic, let alone opposite of what Republicans constantly say they support.

I'm all for making a law making it illegal to happen until a person is 18, but after that if someone wants to switch gender then I don't care. Have at it.

Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

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So you also want to outlaw breast augmentation, tattoos, and piercings?

Or you are willing to make an exception to your moral outrage around body modifications as long as it’s for Susie to have bigger tits for everyone to look at?

If we are going to go hardcore on the “only use what god gave us” stance then boob jobs, low testosterone injections, and viagra are all gone and they are all pretty popular with the MAGA crowd.

So with the tattoos, boob jobs, and viagra, is someone changing their biological sex because they feel trapped? I'm asking for a friend

(04-03-2023 02:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 02:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-03-2023 12:24 PM)b2b Wrote:  No we need to outlaw medical "transitioning" altogether.

So you want to take away a person's liberty? How very unpatriotic, let alone opposite of what Republicans constantly say they support.

I'm all for making a law making it illegal to happen until a person is 18, but after that if someone wants to switch gender then I don't care. Have at it.

Yes, if that's the idiotic way you want to frame it. I'm not allowed to drive without a seat belt on either.

In all seriousness saying this is "unpatriotic" has to be one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read on this board. These people have major mental issues and permanently disfiguring the body given to them isn't going to help them.

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So you also want to outlaw breast augmentation, tattoos, and piercings?

Or you are willing to make an exception to your moral outrage around body modifications as long as it’s for Susie to have bigger tits for everyone to look at?

If we are going to go hardcore on the “only use what god gave us” stance then boob jobs, low testosterone injections, and viagra are all gone and they are all pretty popular with the MAGA crowd.

So with the tattoos, boob jobs, and viagra, is someone changing their biological sex because they feel trapped? I'm asking for a friend

Tattoos can be removed, breast implants removed and one can stop taking viagra anytime they want. Seems apples and oranges to getting non reversable sex change surgery which I could care less about until the public is asked to pay for it or to consider it normal.