Good man. Bad president.

At least he lived long enough to have a crappier president sitting in office.

Probably my favorite president that I didn’t vote for. A much better man than president.
He has lived his faith. How many of us who profess to be Christians can really say that?

While I know nothing about the man before he became President other than he was a governor of a state I never thought about and a peanut farmer.....

a "good man" in the contest I'm reading on this thread lives their life that way before they know everyone of their wants in life is now going to be taken care of. So did he walk that walk before he President? Or did that take place after he basically had nothing to worry about for the rest of his life?

Before putting him on a pedestal as a great "man" did he give as much of his time and money when his livelihood was in doubt? Other words he had 57 years before being a ex-president and just following the teaching of Christ once you no longer have a worry in the world does not equal greatness. It seems to me for many years he choose politics as his calling. And make no mistake about it for a lot of those first 57 years Carter was a politician, first.

(02-19-2023 04:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  While I know nothing about the man before he became President other than he was a governor of a state I never thought about and a peanut farmer.....
a "good man" in the contest I'm reading on this thread lives their life that way before they know everyone of their wants in life is now going to be taken care of. So did he walk that walk before he President? Or did that take place after he basically had nothing to worry about for the rest of his life?
Before putting him on a pedestal as a great "man" did he give as much of his time and money when his livelihood was in doubt? Other words he had 57 years before being a ex-president and just following the teaching of Christ once you no longer have a worry in the world does not equal greatness. It seems to me for many years he choose politics as his calling. And make no mistake about it for a lot of those first 57 years Carter was a politician, first.

Let me say first that I thought he was a godawful president, if that colors my views.

But in response to the questions you raise, I am pretty certain that he was always a good Christian man. My dad used to bird hunt with him and some of his friends around Plains. The connection was that several of the friends (but not Carter himself) came over to the part of Alabama where I grew up to deer hunt. The friends used to say that he was a wonderful person but that Rosalyn was a snake in the grass whose influence ruined his presidency. I'll take their word for it.

(02-18-2023 08:10 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I don't think he was that great a president - maybe even too good a man to be a good president sadly - but I'd trade Biden or Obama (in his days) for the 1970s version of Carter in a second.

Well he was one of the worst presidents since the Civil War. But he has been a great man.

He turned 5% or so inflation into 18% inflation with 8% unemployment. Stagflation. Gas lines. Just did a really poor job.

But Habitat for Humanity and some of his other initiatives have been wonderful.

(02-18-2023 05:44 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Sad news, but he was very fortunate to have these extra years after beating melanoma a few years ago at 90+. Whatever one thinks of his Presidency, Jimmy Carter proved himself to be a world-class human being. I pray that he, Rosalynn and their family can have some good times during these final days and when its time he can depart this life peacefully and pain-free.

I didn't vote for him, but I did attend his ethics lectures at Emory. His work with Habitat was enough for me to like the Carters. But then I had an unexpected conversation with Rosalynn as we both waited to see the same person at a small college in Americus, Georgia. As they said in the Right Stuff, "I got to talk with Jackie, about things!" Rosalynn was gracious, unassuming, and down to earth, and most pleasant to speak with. If she had Secret Service with her, they were outside or in the car. It was like we had been neighbors for a long time. She had her meeting and then I had mine and I never saw her again. I simply left that day feeling blown away by her ease with being herself and her total lack of, "I'm a celebrity and important" kind of air so many in government or real celebrities have left me with before. I'm a fan!

But I also realize that Democrats and Republicans in the 70's both still worked for this country's greatness. They just differed on how to lift up the downtrodden and how to defend our way of life.

Today? It's wholly other, unholy, divisive, and destructive.

(02-19-2023 05:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 04:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  While I know nothing about the man before he became President other than he was a governor of a state I never thought about and a peanut farmer.....
a "good man" in the contest I'm reading on this thread lives their life that way before they know everyone of their wants in life is now going to be taken care of. So did he walk that walk before he President? Or did that take place after he basically had nothing to worry about for the rest of his life?
Before putting him on a pedestal as a great "man" did he give as much of his time and money when his livelihood was in doubt? Other words he had 57 years before being a ex-president and just following the teaching of Christ once you no longer have a worry in the world does not equal greatness. It seems to me for many years he choose politics as his calling. And make no mistake about it for a lot of those first 57 years Carter was a politician, first.

Let me say first that I thought he was a godawful president, if that colors my views.

But in response to the questions you raise, I am pretty certain that he was always a good Christian man. My dad used to bird hunt with him and some of his friends around Plains. The connection was that several of the friends (but not Carter himself) came over to the part of Alabama where I grew up to deer hunt. The friends used to say that he was a wonderful person but that Rosalyn was a snake in the grass whose influence ruined his presidency. I'll take their word for it.

After writing that I did decide to go read up on Carter and like I thought he was a "politician" do or say almost anything to get elected...

including budding up to the racist in the democrat party. That was clearly not his person views because he then went against them once elected as Governor. But from what I read he did that twice. Once to first get elected to State Congress and once Governor. The last one after this quote

" This period was a spiritual turning point for Carter; he declared himself a born again Christian, and his last child Amy was born during this time"

Quote:Throughout his campaign, Carter sought both the black vote and "Wallace vote," referring to supporters of the prominent segregationist George Wallace of Alabama. While he met with black figures such as Martin Luther King Sr. and Andrew Young, and visited many black-owned businesses, he also praised Wallace and promised to invite him to give a speech in Georgia. Carter's appeal to racism became more blatant over time, with his senior campaign aides handing out a photograph of Sanders celebrating with black basketball players.[63][64]

Quote:Carter came ahead of Sanders in the first ballot by 49 percent to 38 percent in September, leading to a runoff election. The subsequent campaign was even more bitter; despite his early support for civil rights, Carter's appeal to racism grew, criticizing Sanders for supporting Martin Luther King Jr. Carter won the runoff election with 60 percent of the vote, and went on to easily win the general election against the Republican Hal Suit, a local news anchor. Once he was elected, Carter changed his tone, and began to speak against Georgia's racist politics. Leroy Johnson, a black state senator, voiced his support for Carter: "I understand why he ran that kind of ultra-conservative campaign. I don't believe you can win this state without being a racist."[63]

So my point still stands its a lot easier living a life on conviction when you know there is no longer nothing to lose. But when other things he wanted more.....

he was a say anything politician so it really took him 57 years or more to "follow his faith" and up till then he was a hypocrite

Lived a hell of a life.

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(02-19-2023 07:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2023 08:10 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I don't think he was that great a president - maybe even too good a man to be a good president sadly - but I'd trade Biden or Obama (in his days) for the 1970s version of Carter in a second.

Well he was one of the worst presidents since the Civil War. But he has been a great man.

He turned 5% or so inflation into 18% inflation with 8% unemployment. Stagflation. Gas lines. Just did a really poor job.

But Habitat for Humanity and some of his other initiatives have been wonderful.

There were many bad presidents before him and after him. More bad than good.

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(02-19-2023 01:39 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Probably my favorite president that I didn’t vote for. A much better man than president.
He has lived his faith. How many of us who profess to be Christians can really say that?

Literally exactly how I feel about him. A good intelligent man of high character who for whatever reason unfortunately didnt translate into being a very good president.

(02-19-2023 08:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-18-2023 05:44 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Sad news, but he was very fortunate to have these extra years after beating melanoma a few years ago at 90+. Whatever one thinks of his Presidency, Jimmy Carter proved himself to be a world-class human being. I pray that he, Rosalynn and their family can have some good times during these final days and when its time he can depart this life peacefully and pain-free.

I didn't vote for him, but I did attend his ethics lectures at Emory. His work with Habitat was enough for me to like the Carters. But then I had an unexpected conversation with Rosalynn as we both waited to see the same person at a small college in Americus, Georgia. As they said in the Right Stuff, "I got to talk with Jackie, about things!" Rosalynn was gracious, unassuming, and down to earth, and most pleasant to speak with. If she had Secret Service with her, they were outside or in the car. It was like we had been neighbors for a long time. She had her meeting and then I had mine and I never saw her again. I simply left that day feeling blown away by her ease with being herself and her total lack of, "I'm a celebrity and important" kind of air so many in government or real celebrities have left me with before. I'm a fan!

But I also realize that Democrats and Republicans in the 70's both still worked for this country's greatness. They just differed on how to lift up the downtrodden and how to defend our way of life.

Today? It's wholly other, unholy, divisive, and destructive.

Thats what I miss. I largely believe that most everyone who goes to DC to take a seat in government thinks they know how to make America better. They may disagree on the path----but they all want to make things better. Sadly, you'd never even think that was a possibility listening to the media.

(02-19-2023 09:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A good intelligent man of high character who for whatever reason unfortunately didnt translate into being a very good president.

A very succinct and accurate description not only of Jimmy Carter but of John Adams and John Q. Adams, Rutherford Hayes, Bill Taft, Herbert Hoover, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford, George HW Bush, and probably several more besides.

Carter has asked Biden to deliver his eulogy and his staff says that his remaining time will "be spent at home". So, I'm guessing this is it.

(03-14-2023 12:08 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Carter has asked Biden to deliver his eulogy and his staff says that his remaining time will "be spent at home". So, I'm guessing this is it.

What an incredible life...and a great human.

Good man, bad ideas. I pray God gives him the rest he deserves and the comfort his family needs.

Will the brain dead imbecile Biden* be able to make it thru a eulogy without lying or having flashbacks to when he delivered one for that Klansman?

Carter will be eternally thankful to Biden. And in a way, Trump.

(03-14-2023 12:28 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Good man, bad ideas. I pray God gives him the rest he deserves and the comfort his family needs.

Another bad idea-asking Biden to do his eulogy.

Maybe Rosalyn should overrule him and pick someone better.

(03-14-2023 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:28 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Good man, bad ideas. I pray God gives him the rest he deserves and the comfort his family needs.

Another bad idea-asking Biden to do his eulogy.

Maybe Rosalyn should overrule him and pick someone better.

Wonder who will write it? Damn sure won't be Joe.