(01-27-2023 11:12 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Get the fire hoses out and move them out of the way.

Seriously? Trash statement.

(01-27-2023 11:07 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 10:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 10:50 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  This whole "we're bracing/hunkering down" nonsense is just stupid - almost like they're trying to wish it into existence.
Aside from out of towners coming in to try to stir up stuff, I truly don't anticipate any violence from the people of Memphis. Even with past protests, Memphians kept theirs relatively civil.

The real issues IMO will come IF (big if) these 5 get just a hand slap for punishment, like the Rodney King fallout in 1992. Right now I haven't heard one person say that they are disappointed with how this situation has been handled.

You should know by now, Green that much of the violence in these cases is typically more perpetrated by outside groups like antifa and others than locals.

Yep, which is why I said "aside from out of towners coming in to try to stir up stuff" to begin my statement.

Yep, I misread it.

(01-27-2023 11:18 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 11:12 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Get the fire hoses out and move them out of the way.

Seriously? Trash statement.

Agreed. Use 12 gauge bean bag rounds instead.

(01-27-2023 10:46 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Here's some additional info from earlier today that may address some of the questions many have posted...

Quote:Nichols’ family members and their lawyers said the footage shows officers savagely beating the 29-year-old FedEx worker for three minutes in an assault that the legal team likened to the infamous 1991 police beating of Los Angeles motorist Rodney King.

Memphis Police Director Cerelyn Davis described the officers’ actions as “heinous, reckless and inhumane,” and said Friday that her department has been unable to substantiate the reckless driving allegation that prompted the stop.

“As far as I know today, I do believe that the stop itself was very questionable,” she told Good Morning America.

Video of the traffic stop will be released to the public sometime Friday evening, Mulroy said, noting that local and state investigators wanted to complete as many interviews as possible before releasing it. Nichols’ family members viewed the footage on Monday.

Davis told GMA that she and other local officials decided it would be best to release the video later in the day Friday after schools have let out and people are home from work, given that protests are expected to erupt.

As a precaution, Memphis area schools canceled all after-class activities and postponed a school event scheduled for Saturday morning. Other early closures include the Memphis power company’s community offices and the University of Memphis.

Nichols’ mother, RowVaughn Wells, who said her family is “grief-stricken,” warned supporters of the “horrific” nature of the video but pleaded for peaceful protests.

“I don’t want us burning up our city, tearing up the streets, because that’s not what my son stood for,” she said Thursday. “If you guys are here for me and Tyre, then you will protest peacefully.”

Davis also urged calm after the video’s release.

“I expect our citizens to exercise their First Amendment right to protest, to demand actions and results, but we need to ensure our community is safe in this process,” she said Thursday. “None of this is a calling card for inciting violence or destruction on our community or against our citizens.”

Nichols’ stepfather, Rodney Wells, told The Associated Press by phone that he and RowVaughn Wells discussed the second-degree murder charges and are “fine with it.” They had sought first-degree murder charges.

“There’s other charges, so I’m all right with that,” he said.

KBTX3 Article

If the stop itself is in question at this point, that would lend to the theory that this was a targeted hit. If that's the case, the 5 cops should have their charges moved up to 1st degree.

(01-27-2023 10:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 09:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not sure why anyone wants to watch the video. Everyone knows what it's going to show. I guess violent video games and movies have ruined most people's societal norms.

Nah, violent movies are as old as television and the only video games in the early 80s when crime made their first big push in the cities were Space Invaders, PacMan, and whatever else was on Atari and Commodore 64. This is fatherless behavior, plain and simple. It's just now single motherhood is put on a pedestal and it has infiltrated the middle class as well.

I don't know whether Bartlett disagrees with you on this point, but I certainly do. Over the last two generations our children have been steadily desensitized to violence.

I watched "Psycho" at the age of 13 and was scared sleepless. Today, 13-year-olds would laugh at how lame that movie is, and then go pick up some interactive video game where they get to first-hand shoot, maim and decapitate other players.

I am not denying fatherlessness as a core problem. But I am suggesting that our culture has become more and more dangerously coarse and and uncaring - - fathers or no fathers.

You’d have to be naive to believe it wasn’t a targeted stop. Cops don’t beat someone to death this savagely over a traffic stop.

I have an old colleague at UC who used to work in the Memphis PD prior to going back to school to become a Prosecutor and later instructor in Criminal Justice. He hasn't seen the video, but he has plenty of people he knows who have and he has said it is by far the worst one of these videos he has had described to him regarding police brutality and a general disregard for the human rights of the subject.

(01-27-2023 11:36 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 10:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 09:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I'm not sure why anyone wants to watch the video. Everyone knows what it's going to show. I guess violent video games and movies have ruined most people's societal norms.

Nah, violent movies are as old as television and the only video games in the early 80s when crime made their first big push in the cities were Space Invaders, PacMan, and whatever else was on Atari and Commodore 64. This is fatherless behavior, plain and simple. It's just now single motherhood is put on a pedestal and it has infiltrated the middle class as well.

I don't know whether Bartlett disagrees with you on this point, but I certainly do. Over the last two generations our children have been steadily desensitized to violence.

I watched "Psycho" at the age of 13 and was scared sleepless. Today, 13-year-olds would laugh at how lame that movie is, and then go pick up some interactive video game where they get to first-hand shoot, maim and decapitate other players.

I am not denying fatherlessness as a core problem. But I am suggesting that our culture has become more and more dangerously coarse and and uncaring - - fathers or no fathers.

We all watched looney tunes where guns and knocking characters out with bats were common. High schoolers in the country had gun racks on their trucks on campus’s back in the day. You could buy a cap gun that made loud pops. There wasn’t a sudden increase of violence because of those things

What happened is simply the breakdown of the family where you were taught right and wrong and accountability and where men were raising their boys to be men and not make excuses.

In a sane world, once the cops were arrested and charged with murder there would be no reason for mass nationwide protests.

If the system is working and they are being charged with murder then why are MASSIVE protests needed? What is being protested?

If the cops were not charged or were acquitted and got off THEN I would understand the massive protests nationwide.

(01-27-2023 12:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In a sane world, once the cops were arrested and charged with murdered there would be no reason for mass nationwide protests.

If the system is working and they are being charged with murder then why are MASSIVE protests needed? What is being protested?

If the cops were not charged or were acquitted and got off THEN I would understand the massive protests nationwide.

Good point.

I suspect there are some very powerful wealthy people that WANT more violence, rioting and chaos and will bring in outsiders to stir things up more……

….guess we will see.

(01-27-2023 12:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In a sane world, once the cops were arrested and charged with murdered there would be no reason for mass nationwide protests.

If the system is working and they are being charged with murder then why are MASSIVE protests needed? What is being protested?

If the cops were not charged or were acquitted and got off THEN I would understand the massive protests nationwide.

once you abandon the structure of law and control the hype, it's simple to create chaos within' the chaotic ... all the Geppetto's have to do is sit back and wait for the next version to materialize ... it's pretty simple in scope...

(01-27-2023 12:17 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 12:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In a sane world, once the cops were arrested and charged with murdered there would be no reason for mass nationwide protests.

If the system is working and they are being charged with murder then why are MASSIVE protests needed? What is being protested?

If the cops were not charged or were acquitted and got off THEN I would understand the massive protests nationwide.

Good point.

I suspect there are some very powerful wealthy people that WANT more violence, rioting and chaos and will bring in outsiders to stir things up more……

….guess we will see.

A Memphian made a comment that's worth considering:

IF there are any violent demonstrations, take notice of what they are wearing & what places/neighborhoods they're targeting. Are they using instruments & wearing shoes/clothing that aren't common to civilians?

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

(01-27-2023 12:27 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

I can see two sides to the decision of the video release timing - if you release on a Monday morning, you have people gathered together at schools/colleges/workplaces where things could potentially escalate.

If you release on a weekend night and events have been cancelled, the likelihood of people getting back out on a cold night could be less likely, OR you have more people with free time on their hands all weekend.

Bottom line, there is no "good time" to release something like this.

(01-27-2023 12:27 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

I have to wonder if the media decided to take an editorial stance not to cover the ensuing riots for all these issues, there would be fewer of them.

(01-27-2023 12:32 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 12:27 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

I can see two sides to the decision of the video release timing - if you release on a Monday morning, you have people gathered together at schools/colleges/workplaces where things could potentially escalate.

If you release on a weekend night and events have been cancelled, the likelihood of people getting back out on a cold night could be less likely, OR you have more people with free time on their hands all weekend.

Bottom line, there is no "good time" to release something like this.

Friday night with over 24 hours warning is literally the dumbest choice of all.

(01-27-2023 12:27 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

urban centers are soft targets ... that was always the premise behind the queen's gambit ... and I'm not talkin' about the Netflix series (which is great, btw) ... it was all about muh Great Society --->>> consequence --->>> return of feudalism

(01-27-2023 12:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  In a sane world, once the cops were arrested and charged with murder there would be no reason for mass nationwide protests.

If the system is working and they are being charged with murder then why are MASSIVE protests needed? What is being protested?

If the cops were not charged or were acquitted and got off THEN I would understand the massive protests nationwide.

Agreed...but many people or entities will find any reason to further an agenda on one side or the other.

(01-27-2023 12:32 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 12:27 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

Think what you will of Starnes personally, but I have had this issue with all of the riots the last few years.
Media that swarm and sit back and wait and hope something crazy happens.

I can see two sides to the decision of the video release timing - if you release on a Monday morning, you have people gathered together at schools/colleges/workplaces where things could potentially escalate.

If you release on a weekend night and events have been cancelled, the likelihood of people getting back out on a cold night could be less likely, OR you have more people with free time on their hands all weekend.

Bottom line, there is no "good time" to release something like this.

Tuesday morning at 4am

The timing to release the video was made by an effin moron.

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The Memphis Police Department will be criticized no matter what/how they release the video. From their perspective, it looks like they're erring on the side of transparency and openness to the timing and manner of the video's release...

Quote:In an email to NPR on Friday morning, the Memphis Police Department said they were still unsure of the exact timing of the release but it could come "sometime after 5:00 p.m. CT."

The video will be uploaded to YouTube in four different parts. Neighborhood surveillance video will appear alongside the body camera footage, all depicting a three-minute span of events leading to Nichols' death.

NPR Article