I appreciate that you have some time down south and knowledge of the culture. It is a long way down there, but worth the trip, particularly in the Brazilian "winter" months. Lula is the Robin Hood for the favela population and Bolsonaro, despite my support, wants them held accountable to a point of discomfort when it comes to crime and education. My time there was mostly in Sao Paulo and surrounding areas,and cannot speak of the other regions. However, the educated class with which I worked in the Pulp and Paper industry were sickened by Lula's release.

The corruption there is oh so political and the underclass has no responsibility to do any better. Facilities are built for them to live, they are given them by deed, and then immediately turn around and sell these gift properties for an amount that sustains a few months, and then these folks are back to the same old favela lifestyle from which they came. And the hardworking folks are just that..........productive and dedicated. In the Paper Industry, their managers had to learn another language, fluently, to compete in the global economy, and were mostly very sharp and motivated. Government colleges for the best and brightest offer great engineering educations, but you have to take your exams in a language other than Portuguese. These are really progressive and impressive requirements. It is a shame that the permanent, unaccountable underclass destroys what the hard-working educated class is trying to build.

It is a different worldview down there. Japanese food is ubiquitous, which surprised me the most. Everywhere, in Sao Paulo and Campinas, had vastly more Japanese offerings than Chinese, almost completely opposite to the ratio in the US. I remember a time in Mogi Guacu, during a mill visit, that we had dinner at an outside place. Was July, so cool there, and at 60'ish degrees I was in shorts and a sweatshirt and a family pulls up and drops the kids and wife off, and they were in full winter garb...coats, mittens, hats. Perspective is a funny thing.

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

Show me where and how he started a riot, show me how he was directly responsible for that riot. Urging people to march and protest is not inciting a riot.

(01-10-2023 10:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

Show me where and how he started a riot, show me how he was directly responsible for that riot. Urging people to march and protest is not inciting a riot.

It's the company line. It's all he knows.

(01-10-2023 10:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

Show me where and how he started a riot, show me how he was directly responsible for that riot. Urging people to march and protest is not inciting a riot.

I found it. Oh, wait. What?

Although I was general in my comment, I see that some of you have gone specific in the attempt to do the 'gotcha'.

Regardless, let me restate: Id simply prefer that when someone loses an election, their cult followers who can do nothing but yell 'we wuz cheeeted!!' cant do anything but pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

Claro?

Well if there was no cheating....

(01-09-2023 11:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:34 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq?

Spent the better part of two years at a point in my earlier days either in Rio, Brasilia, or offshore the country. More in the time right after the Constitution of '64(?) was shelved and Lula ran the first time for the Presidency.

Quote:I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion.

Having dealt with Petrobas both in the oil industry in my 'first career' and dealt with them in entirely different realm in several transactions in my second, I have some interaction with them as well. Perhaps not as much as you -- but I really dont know. I dont think I have made a 'you are a dumb arse who doesnt know **** from shinola' remark.

The remark I did make was you making the direct reference to Trump and 1/6 in the context of Lula, the election, and the putative riot down there.

Quote: Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released

I take it the ruling by the Brazilian Supreme Court that did so. Kind of a lopsided vote. Glad to know it was nothing but pure government corruption.

Quote: and falsely elected?

Having talked about it with several compatriots in the Brazilian legal community, I seem to remember that Lula enjoyed massive support in the polls -- and the only real surprise was that it wasnt a 'first rounder' and went to the second round.

Interesting spin that such political support in the polls there was nothing but fraud and chicanery.

Do I think it was a 'squeaky clean election'? No, there hasnt been an absolutely clean election in Brazil since.... well..... perhaps never.

But this one seemed to track the published polls. Glad to know it was nothing but fraud and corruption. Pardon me, but I think I have heard others here on roughly that same path with Trump / Biden.

As I said previously:w

Quote:Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose elections they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

At least you acknowledge these third world elections aren’t on the up and up. That’s about as close to reality as you come. Bet you wouldn’t last a week in a jail in Brazil.

Your candy azz likes to spew garbage but you have never had to face that corruption head on. Like having to pay the cops in Brazil for protection. Like having Lula government officials asking for bribes and receiving punitive actions if they are not abided by.

Yeah, funny how I know a few things about this skank of an inhuman
person. This election was bought and paid for by those at the top. Expect the next wave of illegals coming from Brazil.

Some people are NEVER going to get it until they are dumpster diving for a meal.

(01-10-2023 11:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 11:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:34 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq?

Spent the better part of two years at a point in my earlier days either in Rio, Brasilia, or offshore the country. More in the time right after the Constitution of '64(?) was shelved and Lula ran the first time for the Presidency.

Quote:I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion.

Having dealt with Petrobas both in the oil industry in my 'first career' and dealt with them in entirely different realm in several transactions in my second, I have some interaction with them as well. Perhaps not as much as you -- but I really dont know. I dont think I have made a 'you are a dumb arse who doesnt know **** from shinola' remark.

The remark I did make was you making the direct reference to Trump and 1/6 in the context of Lula, the election, and the putative riot down there.

Quote: Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released

I take it the ruling by the Brazilian Supreme Court that did so. Kind of a lopsided vote. Glad to know it was nothing but pure government corruption.

Quote: and falsely elected?

Having talked about it with several compatriots in the Brazilian legal community, I seem to remember that Lula enjoyed massive support in the polls -- and the only real surprise was that it wasnt a 'first rounder' and went to the second round.

Interesting spin that such political support in the polls there was nothing but fraud and chicanery.

Do I think it was a 'squeaky clean election'? No, there hasnt been an absolutely clean election in Brazil since.... well..... perhaps never.

But this one seemed to track the published polls. Glad to know it was nothing but fraud and corruption. Pardon me, but I think I have heard others here on roughly that same path with Trump / Biden.

As I said previously:w

Quote:Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose elections they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

At least you acknowledge these third world elections aren’t on the up and up. That’s about as close to reality as you come. Bet you wouldn’t last a week in a jail in Brazil.

Wouldnt want to try. Had some 'couple of hours' stays elesewhere.... but I see you are getting yourself all riled up now. Cant wait to see the rest of your rant.

Quote:Your candy azz likes to spew garbage but you have never had to face that corruption head on. Like having to pay the cops in Brazil for protection. Like having Lula government officials asking for bribes and receiving punitive actions if they are not abided by.

In at least a few occasions I have had to face Brazilian corruption. And Argentinian. And Chilean. And Mexican. And Angolan. And Hungarian. And Venezuelan. And Columbian. And Nigerian.

But there you go loading up on crap you dont have a fing clue about. Seems part and parcel in your interactions. Not the first time you jumped into that 'well just make it up on the fly' pile of garbage with me. I dont doubt there will more, given the detritus above.

It is amazing the depths of your personal venom flow. Go piss up a rope sparky.

Quote:Yeah, funny how I know a few things about this skank of an inhuman
person. This election was bought and paid for by those at the top. Expect the next wave of illegals coming from Brazil.

Whatever, sparky.....

Quote:Some people are NEVER going to get it until they are dumpster diving for a meal.

Better than having to make **** up about people on a chronic basis as seems your strategy. Go take your 'chip on your shoulder a mile wide' 'make it up on the fly' ranting elsewhere.....

(01-10-2023 12:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 11:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:34 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.


Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq?

Spent the better part of two years at a point in my earlier days either in Rio, Brasilia, or offshore the country. More in the time right after the Constitution of '64(?) was shelved and Lula ran the first time for the Presidency.

Quote:I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion.

Having dealt with Petrobas both in the oil industry in my 'first career' and dealt with them in entirely different realm in several transactions in my second, I have some interaction with them as well. Perhaps not as much as you -- but I really dont know. I dont think I have made a 'you are a dumb arse who doesnt know **** from shinola' remark.

The remark I did make was you making the direct reference to Trump and 1/6 in the context of Lula, the election, and the putative riot down there.

Quote: Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released

I take it the ruling by the Brazilian Supreme Court that did so. Kind of a lopsided vote. Glad to know it was nothing but pure government corruption.

Quote: and falsely elected?

Having talked about it with several compatriots in the Brazilian legal community, I seem to remember that Lula enjoyed massive support in the polls -- and the only real surprise was that it wasnt a 'first rounder' and went to the second round.

Interesting spin that such political support in the polls there was nothing but fraud and chicanery.

Do I think it was a 'squeaky clean election'? No, there hasnt been an absolutely clean election in Brazil since.... well..... perhaps never.

But this one seemed to track the published polls. Glad to know it was nothing but fraud and corruption. Pardon me, but I think I have heard others here on roughly that same path with Trump / Biden.

As I said previously:w

Quote:Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose elections they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

At least you acknowledge these third world elections aren’t on the up and up. That’s about as close to reality as you come. Bet you wouldn’t last a week in a jail in Brazil.

Wouldnt want to try. Had some 'couple of hours' stays elesewhere.... but I see you are getting yourself all riled up now. Cant wait to see the rest of your rant.

Quote:Your candy azz likes to spew garbage but you have never had to face that corruption head on. Like having to pay the cops in Brazil for protection. Like having Lula government officials asking for bribes and receiving punitive actions if they are not abided by.

In at least a few occasions I have had to face Brazilian corruption. And Argentinian. And Chilean. And Mexican. And Angolan. And Hungarian. And Venezuelan. And Columbian. And Nigerian.

But there you go loading up on crap you dont have a fing clue about. Seems part and parcel in your interactions. Not the first time you jumped into that 'well just make it up on the fly' pile of garbage with me. I dont doubt there will more, given the detritus above.

It is amazing the depths of your personal venom flow. Go piss up a rope sparky.

Quote:Yeah, funny how I know a few things about this skank of an inhuman
person. This election was bought and paid for by those at the top. Expect the next wave of illegals coming from Brazil.

Whatever, sparky.....

Quote:Some people are NEVER going to get it until they are dumpster diving for a meal.

Better than having to make **** up about people on a chronic basis as seems your strategy. Go take your 'chip on your shoulder a mile wide' 'make it up on the fly' ranting elsewhere.....

You are correct. No sense in debating a wind bag. Who wants to make parallel comparisons of a Third World Country’s election to our own.

Do us all favor while you are saying positive things about a thug like Lula. Go see what treatment his adversaries receive. Check in on his Chinese style of human rights for his fellow countrymen.

Go live under that thumb before you spout off gross inaccuracies.

(01-10-2023 12:55 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 11:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 10:34 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq?

Spent the better part of two years at a point in my earlier days either in Rio, Brasilia, or offshore the country. More in the time right after the Constitution of '64(?) was shelved and Lula ran the first time for the Presidency.

Quote:I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion.

Having dealt with Petrobas both in the oil industry in my 'first career' and dealt with them in entirely different realm in several transactions in my second, I have some interaction with them as well. Perhaps not as much as you -- but I really dont know. I dont think I have made a 'you are a dumb arse who doesnt know **** from shinola' remark.

The remark I did make was you making the direct reference to Trump and 1/6 in the context of Lula, the election, and the putative riot down there.

Quote: Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released

I take it the ruling by the Brazilian Supreme Court that did so. Kind of a lopsided vote. Glad to know it was nothing but pure government corruption.

Quote: and falsely elected?

Having talked about it with several compatriots in the Brazilian legal community, I seem to remember that Lula enjoyed massive support in the polls -- and the only real surprise was that it wasnt a 'first rounder' and went to the second round.

Interesting spin that such political support in the polls there was nothing but fraud and chicanery.

Do I think it was a 'squeaky clean election'? No, there hasnt been an absolutely clean election in Brazil since.... well..... perhaps never.

But this one seemed to track the published polls. Glad to know it was nothing but fraud and corruption. Pardon me, but I think I have heard others here on roughly that same path with Trump / Biden.

As I said previously:w

Quote:Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose elections they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

At least you acknowledge these third world elections aren’t on the up and up. That’s about as close to reality as you come. Bet you wouldn’t last a week in a jail in Brazil.

Wouldnt want to try. Had some 'couple of hours' stays elesewhere.... but I see you are getting yourself all riled up now. Cant wait to see the rest of your rant.

Quote:Your candy azz likes to spew garbage but you have never had to face that corruption head on. Like having to pay the cops in Brazil for protection. Like having Lula government officials asking for bribes and receiving punitive actions if they are not abided by.

In at least a few occasions I have had to face Brazilian corruption. And Argentinian. And Chilean. And Mexican. And Angolan. And Hungarian. And Venezuelan. And Columbian. And Nigerian.

But there you go loading up on crap you dont have a fing clue about. Seems part and parcel in your interactions. Not the first time you jumped into that 'well just make it up on the fly' pile of garbage with me. I dont doubt there will more, given the detritus above.

It is amazing the depths of your personal venom flow. Go piss up a rope sparky.

Quote:Yeah, funny how I know a few things about this skank of an inhuman
person. This election was bought and paid for by those at the top. Expect the next wave of illegals coming from Brazil.

Whatever, sparky.....

Quote:Some people are NEVER going to get it until they are dumpster diving for a meal.

Better than having to make **** up about people on a chronic basis as seems your strategy. Go take your 'chip on your shoulder a mile wide' 'make it up on the fly' ranting elsewhere.....

You are correct. No sense in debating a wind bag.

Much as I think no sense in debating a dude who both goes ad hom at the slightest ruffle, and tends to pull stuff out of his ass in those rants he aims elsewhere.

Quote:Who wants to make parallel comparisons of a Third World Country’s election to our own.

Unfortunately we now live in the world of Jan 6 where those rioters exhibited such typical third world responses. Bummer about that.

My suggestion is if you dont want the comparison, dont riot over an election and try to stop it. Easy peasy.

Quote:Do us all favor while you are saying positive things about a thug like Lula.

Where have I lauded Lula? Be specific. Or is this you getting maddy poo and simply making garbage up again? Jeexus flippin Krist......

Quote: Go see what treatment his adversaries receive. Check in on his Chinese style of human rights for his fellow countrymen.

Go live under that thumb before you spout off gross inaccuracies.

What 'gross inaccuracies', chuckles? Merely mentioning he was well ahead in the polls at the beginning of the first round is a 'gross inaccuracy'? Or that he very nearly won it outright without a second? Seriously, what 'gross inaccuracy' have I engaged in? Yes, how dare I note those things....

I suggest you enable that reading/comprehension engine a little better before you spout the above. Good grief....

Someone is a legend in his own mind

(01-10-2023 02:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Someone is a legend in his own mind

From the king of zero germane and nothing but mouthy content, that is quite the return to normal operations.

Was there no protesting on the day Donald was inaugurated?

A couple weeks ago the defeated former President Bolsonaro said he was leaving Florida earlier than planned, stating “I came to stay until the end of the month, but I intend to bring forward my return". He must not have had enough KFC yet, today he applied to extend his visa for at least 6 more months -

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/11...a-00077443

Hopefully a swift and firm "Não" is coming from the State Department.