Are you a 65+, authoritarian-leaning and COVID skeptical former president of a nation that rejected your bid for re-election (but you refuse to admit that)? If so, then you too may be invited to Mar-a-Lago for New Years Eve this weekend!

https://twitter.com/Rkrahenbuhl/status/1...k_HhDQD1XQ

EVERY.SINGLE.DIRE.PREDICTION you made in this thread failed to come to pass. You may want to stop digging before you dig yourself into a hole too deep from which to extricate yourself.

Hundreds of Bolsonaro supporters have stormed congress, the supreme court and the presidential palace in Brasilia -

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64204860

Fortunately, President Lula da Silva is in Sao Paulo today. And the defeated former President, Jair Bolsonaro, remains in Florida with some speculating he may be seeking Italian citizenship to avoid a potential future arrest in his home country -

https://floridianpress.com/2023/01/forme...ing-in-fl/

(01-08-2023 03:34 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Hundreds of Bolsonaro supporters have stormed congress, the supreme court and the presidential palace in Brasilia -

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64204860

Fortunately, President Lula da Silva is in Sao Paulo today. And the defeated former President, Jair Bolsonaro, remains in Florida with some speculating he may be seeking Italian citizenship to avoid a potential future arrest in his home country -

https://floridianpress.com/2023/01/forme...ing-in-fl/

This is just the beginning. Those folks know and understand corruption much better than you.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/...a-violated

This is the garbage you are defending. May want to pull your head out and try to actually see the situation for what it is.

To his credit, former President Bolsonaro did condemn todays "depredations and invasions" in Brasilia from his self-imposed exile in Florida -

https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status...wsrc%5Etfw

I think he has learned a thing or two from his buddy Donald's problems, and his virtual silence since losing the election indicates caution lest he be accused (and more importantly, charged) with inciting attacks like Brasilia suffered today.

(01-08-2023 09:12 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  To his credit, former President Bolsonaro did condemn todays "depredations and invasions" in Brasilia from his self-imposed exile in Florida -

https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status...wsrc%5Etfw

I think he has learned a thing or two from his buddy Donald's problems, and his virtual silence since losing the election indicates caution lest he be accused (and more importantly, charged) with inciting attacks like Brasilia suffered today.

Nailed it! The 'want to be' Donald has learned from the master.... of deception and user of useful idiots. Of course the useful idiots, being useful and being idiots, don't have a clue.

Lula is crooked as ****, and Brazilians know it. And just like our 2020 elections, there were significant inconsistencies (even moreso than seen in the US, as Brazilian citizens are REQUIRED to vote by law) in how ballots were collected and votes tabulated. Fighting for justice when crimes are committed is not insurrection, it is necessary. Sorry if that is ugly and inconvenient for anyone, but Bolsonaro, just like Trump, did have a mandate from the people, but was denied by a Brazilian swamp as Trump was denied by a Potomac one.

(01-08-2023 10:15 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Lula is crooked as ****, and Brazilians know it. And just like our 2020 elections, there were significant inconsistencies (even moreso than seen in the US, as Brazilian citizens are REQUIRED to vote by law) in how ballots were collected and votes tabulated. Fighting for justice when crimes are committed is not insurrection, it is necessary. Sorry if that is ugly and inconvenient for anyone, but Bolsonaro, just like Trump, did have a mandate from the people, but was denied by a Brazilian swamp as Trump was denied by a Potomac one.

lolz.

'They werent no stinking rioters!!!! They are --- PATRIOTS!!!!! (even if no one can objectively point to fraud to actually amke an impact, but I am glad I shouted that.... the relief.....).

lolz.

So the protesters in US and Brazil have no valid concerns about how their elections were conducted? Please, oh great one, tell me that their concerns were completely invalid.

Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

(01-09-2023 01:22 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So the protesters in US and Brazil have no valid concerns about how their elections were conducted? Please, oh great one, tell me that their concerns were completely invalid.

"You! Yes, you! Stand still laddy...!"

"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

"How Trump's allies stoked Brazil Congress attack" -

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64206484

(01-09-2023 01:22 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So the protesters in US and Brazil have no valid concerns about how their elections were conducted? Please, oh great one, tell me that their concerns were completely invalid.

I dont broadly find the rioters who tried to stop an election through use of violence as 'fighting for justice for crimes against the people' or that style of garbage that you laud them with, nor do I call that **** a 'mandate from the people' as you try to paint that.

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

No way in hell can a couple hundred people storming a government building overturn a national election.

(01-09-2023 05:37 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  No way in hell can a couple hundred unarmed people storming a government building overturn a national election.

FYP

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq? I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion. Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released and falsely elected?

Brazilian President Lula is rotten to the core. Anyone who supports him is trash in my book. Some of the things has done to common folks is disgusting and reprehensible. He doesn't need to be in charge of a dog pound much less a country.

(01-09-2023 10:34 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 09:52 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 07:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Man, some of you guys who like to present as rational objective people show yourselves to be anything but. TDS got you down? For you guys it's all Trump all the time. It's sad and pathetic the way you guys have to make everything about Trump. What's even more pathetic is that you will use the same formula's for whoever is nominated as the next GOP POTUS candidate.

Im responding to your bud ODU who made a direct reference to Trump and 1/6.

Yes how dare one respond directly to that.

Quote:All you people care about is maintaining/obtaining power, it's party over country for every single one of you. You really don't care if everything is burned down around you as long as you control the reins of power in DC.

Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose election they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....

How much time have you actually spent in Brazil, tanq?

Spent the better part of two years at a point in my earlier days either in Rio, Brasilia, or offshore the country. More in the time right after the Constitution of '64(?) was shelved and Lula ran the first time for the Presidency.

Quote:I spent considerable time there when Lula was being prosecuted, so I am not some dumb arse just reading the news and offering an opinion.

Having dealt with Petrobas both in the oil industry in my 'first career' and dealt with them in entirely different realm in several transactions in my second, I have some interaction with them as well. Perhaps not as much as you -- but I really dont know. I dont think I have made a 'you are a dumb arse who doesnt know **** from shinola' remark.

The remark I did make was you making the direct reference to Trump and 1/6 in the context of Lula, the election, and the putative riot down there.

Quote: Do you really understand the level of governmental corruption it took to get Lula released

I take it the ruling by the Brazilian Supreme Court that did so. Kind of a lopsided vote. Glad to know it was nothing but pure government corruption.

Quote: and falsely elected?

Having talked about it with several compatriots in the Brazilian legal community, I seem to remember that Lula enjoyed massive support in the polls -- and the only real surprise was that it wasnt a 'first rounder' and went to the second round.

Interesting spin that such political support in the polls there was nothing but fraud and chicanery.

Do I think it was a 'squeaky clean election'? No, there hasnt been an absolutely clean election in Brazil since.... well..... perhaps never.

But this one seemed to track the published polls. Glad to know it was nothing but fraud and corruption. Pardon me, but I think I have heard others here on roughly that same path with Trump / Biden.

As I said previously:

Quote:Id simply prefer that when shitbirds lose elections they dont pop off a riot directed at stopping the electoral process. I guess that is too much to ask.....