Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

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Regarding a possible "P6," there could be a "P6" quality conference in certain sports, or over a certain period of time. For example, the AAC was a "P6" quality football conference in 2019 by most definitions, but wasn't able to maintain "P6" quality in 2020.

We generally use the term "P2" on here to describe the SEC and B1G, that's what I went with.

(01-17-2023 01:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  We generally use the term "P2" on here to describe the SEC and B1G, that's what I went with.

I voted for P5. P2 is a financial term. The SEC and Big Ten have the most revenue. For example, Rutgers, Indiana, Vanderbilt, and Missouri are P2 schools, financially. But they are not football powers. That is why I voted for P5.

P5 right now.
P2 in 2025 when Tex Okl USC and UCLA move.
P3 after the 3rd power conference is consolidated.

(01-17-2023 12:40 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

One way, I think is to look at all of the P5, remove the strongest - most likely some other conference would invite - 4 schools, and look at what's left to see if it's a "power" conference, or not.

B10 - remove Ohio state, and 3 others, and it'd still be a power conference.

SEC - remove Alabama, and 3 others, and it'd still be a power conference.

ACC (I'm ignoring ND, since this question seems to be about football membership) - remove FSU, NC, and 2 others, and I think it's still a power conference, though just above the line.

B12 - remove Kansas, and 3 others - and it doesn't seem like it. what's left is mostly a conference of former "little brothers" and G5 schools.

PAC - Remove WA, OR, Stanford, and 1 other - nope.

And when we look at who the SEC or the B10 seem to want to raid beyond the initial 4 schools in each conference? Only ACC would seem to make that list.

Someone called them the M3, and maybe, though if the B10 and SEC keep poaching them, I think they may be joining the AAC and MWC (and maybe SBC) as the middle.

It’s still P5. Just that 2 of them are “super” powers. The other 3 are still power

That's a good way to describe it

There is P5 made up of 2 Super Powers (SP2) and 3 Mid-Powers (MP3)

(01-17-2023 03:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 12:40 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

One way, I think is to look at all of the P5, remove the strongest - most likely some other conference would invite - 4 schools, and look at what's left to see if it's a "power" conference, or not.

B12 - remove Kansas, and 3 others - and it doesn't seem like it. what's left is mostly a conference of former "little brothers" and G5 schools.

I think the B12 would still be considered a power conference.

Even if OSU, Baylor, TCU, and Kansas were removed - - these eight teams would still be in the conference:

Kansas State - 2023 NY6 team - Top 20 BB team (current)
Iowa State - Top 10 FB team (2020-Final) - Top 20 BB team (current)
West Virginia - Top 25 BB team (2021 - Final)
Texas Tech - Top 10 BB team (2022 - Final)
Houston - Final Four team - #1 BB team (current) - Top 25 FB team (2021-Final)
Cincinnati - 2022 CFP team
UCF - Top 25 FB team in final November 2022 AP poll
BYU - Top 25 FB team (2020 & 2021-Final)

(01-17-2023 05:13 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 12:40 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

One way, I think is to look at all of the P5, remove the strongest - most likely some other conference would invite - 4 schools, and look at what's left to see if it's a "power" conference, or not.

B12 - remove Kansas, and 3 others - and it doesn't seem like it. what's left is mostly a conference of former "little brothers" and G5 schools.

I think the B12 would still be considered a power conference.

Even if OSU, Baylor, TCU, and Kansas were removed - - these eight teams would still be in the conference:

Kansas State - 2023 NY6 team - Top 20 BB team (current)
Iowa State - Top 10 FB team (2020-Final) - Top 20 BB team (current)
West Virginia - Top 25 BB team (2021 - Final)
Texas Tech - Top 10 BB team (2022 - Final)
Houston - Final Four team - #1 BB team (current) - Top 25 FB team (2021-Final)
Cincinnati - 2022 CFP team
UCF - Top 25 FB team in final November 2022 AP poll
BYU - Top 25 FB team (2020 & 2021-Final)

That conference would be the best of the rest. It would no longer be “power”. Nothing wrong with that but would not be regarded like they have been, just like how the big East used to be power and has now evolved into the best of the rest American.

P5

There is clear separation between these five conferences and all the other FBS conferences, and except for finances (both internally generated through attendance and externally through media deals) there isn't much separation between the five except at the very top.

And these five also clearly dominate in almost every other significant sport in both men's and women's sports.

(01-17-2023 07:54 AM)Pir8inRichmond Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 05:13 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 12:40 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

One way, I think is to look at all of the P5, remove the strongest - most likely some other conference would invite - 4 schools, and look at what's left to see if it's a "power" conference, or not.

B12 - remove Kansas, and 3 others - and it doesn't seem like it. what's left is mostly a conference of former "little brothers" and G5 schools.

I think the B12 would still be considered a power conference.

Even if OSU, Baylor, TCU, and Kansas were removed - - these eight teams would still be in the conference:

Kansas State - 2023 NY6 team - Top 20 BB team (current)
Iowa State - Top 10 FB team (2020-Final) - Top 20 BB team (current)
West Virginia - Top 25 BB team (2021 - Final)
Texas Tech - Top 10 BB team (2022 - Final)
Houston - Final Four team - #1 BB team (current) - Top 25 FB team (2021-Final)
Cincinnati - 2022 CFP team
UCF - Top 25 FB team in final November 2022 AP poll
BYU - Top 25 FB team (2020 & 2021-Final)

That conference would be the best of the rest. It would no longer be “power”. Nothing wrong with that but would not be regarded like they have been, just like how the big East used to be power and has now evolved into the best of the rest American.

IMHO, put those 8 teams side by side with any 8 teams in any of the G5 conferences, and they would be head and shoulders above the rest of them.

I hate the whole idea of this. College football has the best product of any sport, and the worst system of any sport. It's a frustrating combination.

(01-17-2023 02:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 01:24 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  We generally use the term "P2" on here to describe the SEC and B1G, that's what I went with.

I voted for P5. P2 is a financial term. The SEC and Big Ten have the most revenue. For example, Rutgers, Indiana, Vanderbilt, and Missouri are P2 schools, financially. But they are not football powers. That is why I voted for P5.

100%

I chose it varies for sport because there is a P6 in basketball, for example.

P2 = (largest media) Payout 2
P5/6 = (on field) Power 5/6

(01-17-2023 02:34 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  P5 right now.
P2 in 2025 when Tex Okl USC and UCLA move.
P3 after the 3rd power conference is consolidated.

I wouldn't disagree perception wise, but there still is and likely will be an A5. And I doubt that changes anytime soon. In reality in FB there is a P1. and the gap between 1 and 2 is almost as big as 2 and 3-5.

P2 = SEC and Fun Belt

S2 = SEC, B1G
P3 = BIG12, ACC, PAC
G5 = AAC, MWC, SBC, MAC, C-USA

It's quite simple, the P6 champions will receive the 6 auto-bids in the new format. The 6 at-large bids will go to a combination of the runner-ups from the P6 + Notre Dame.

P6 (SEC, B1G, ACC, PAC12, BIG12, SBC)
G4 (AAC, MWC, MAC, CUSA)

I think this discussion ignores NIL and the impact over the sport.

Miami is not a P2 (yet) but is conceivably Top5 in NIL deals and talent acquisition. If this "Show me the money" strategy eventually works, then NIL money will be more important than media deal money.

The new Power in College Football is NIL Support.

(01-17-2023 05:13 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 03:59 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 12:40 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  Do you think of the "power" conferences as the "P1," "P2," "P3," "P4," or "P5"?

For example:

"P1" SEC

"P2" SEC & B1G

"P3" SEC, B1G, and one other

One way, I think is to look at all of the P5, remove the strongest - most likely some other conference would invite - 4 schools, and look at what's left to see if it's a "power" conference, or not.

B12 - remove Kansas, and 3 others - and it doesn't seem like it. what's left is mostly a conference of former "little brothers" and G5 schools.

I think the B12 would still be considered a power conference.

Even if OSU, Baylor, TCU, and Kansas were removed - - these eight teams would still be in the conference:

Kansas State - 2023 NY6 team - Top 20 BB team (current)
Iowa State - Top 10 FB team (2020-Final) - Top 20 BB team (current)
West Virginia - Top 25 BB team (2021 - Final)
Texas Tech - Top 10 BB team (2022 - Final)
Houston - Final Four team - #1 BB team (current) - Top 25 FB team (2021-Final)
Cincinnati - 2022 CFP team
UCF - Top 25 FB team in final November 2022 AP poll
BYU - Top 25 FB team (2020 & 2021-Final)

If we include basketball, there are a lot more schools to include as "power", and several more conferences.