(01-16-2023 12:17 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:26 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA would have a rough time arguing that South Alabama (15,000) and Alabama-Tuscaloosa (38,000) belong in the same category but North Alabama (7500) does not. But it's not hard to pull numbers that make a case that the WAC-ASUN group isn't on the level of the G5 conferences.

It would help if you started with the facts. UNA’s enrollment is now over 10K.

University of North Alabama celebrates record-breaking year in 2022

https://www.al.com/news/2022/12/universi...utType=amp

Tomato - Tomahto

Exactly. One is incorrect.

(01-16-2023 11:56 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:09 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 10:39 PM)unalions Wrote:  Speaking of the Big East, Georgetown, Villanova, and UConn should also join the ASUN-WAC Football conference!!

Massive gaps in terms of competitiveness and support between these 3 programs. UConn is not long removed from the AAC. At the other end of the spectrum Georgetown is 2-9 in the Patriot, and averages around 2,000 fans at home games.

Might as well suggest a grouping of Colgate, Delaware and UCF.

Maybe UConn and UMass should consider joining, but not Nova or G'town. G'town is closer to a low level D3 school than a FBS move up. I wouldn't even equate Nova to UDel. Nova has a good history of on-field success, but no off-field support. That has not changed since the BE move-up days. Nova might be able to play at that little soccer pitch in Chester, Pa, but it will never sellout.

Speak of the devils. They are playing each other in basketball right now!

(01-16-2023 12:28 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 12:17 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:26 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA would have a rough time arguing that South Alabama (15,000) and Alabama-Tuscaloosa (38,000) belong in the same category but North Alabama (7500) does not. But it's not hard to pull numbers that make a case that the WAC-ASUN group isn't on the level of the G5 conferences.

It would help if you started with the facts. UNA’s enrollment is now over 10K.

University of North Alabama celebrates record-breaking year in 2022

https://www.al.com/news/2022/12/universi...utType=amp

Tomato - Tomahto

Exactly. One is incorrect.

Touche

Once UNA gets to FBS, their enrollment will be 10x what it is now! Alabama and Auburn better watch out!!

(01-16-2023 01:54 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 12:28 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 12:17 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:26 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA would have a rough time arguing that South Alabama (15,000) and Alabama-Tuscaloosa (38,000) belong in the same category but North Alabama (7500) does not. But it's not hard to pull numbers that make a case that the WAC-ASUN group isn't on the level of the G5 conferences.

It would help if you started with the facts. UNA’s enrollment is now over 10K.

University of North Alabama celebrates record-breaking year in 2022

https://www.al.com/news/2022/12/universi...utType=amp

Tomato - Tomahto

Exactly. One is incorrect.

Touche

LOL.

Are you watching this game?

(01-16-2023 02:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Once UNA gets to FBS, their enrollment will be 10x what it is now! Alabama and Auburn better watch out!!

Well, they certainly won't have to worry about Seattle U! LOL.

(01-16-2023 11:01 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 11:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 11:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 11:08 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 10:41 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  No, I have Kennesaw included with the CUSA schools. (I have everyone grouped with their new conferences for the stats)

Oh, so you're counting UTRGV. Got it.

Yeah, I could have been clearer about that. I'm looking at financial capability, reflected in enrollment and endowment. The fact that UTRGV doesn't yet actually PLAY football is an unimportant detail. :smallbiggrin:

Neither of which have much to do with FBS athletics. Currently in FBS, 25 schools have less than 16k in enrollment including TCU at 12.2k. General endowments are rarely used to fund athletics as most donations have been earmarked for certain scholarships or academic projects. However, many schools now have separate athletics endowments especially P5s.

Of those 25 schools, 11 of them have billion-dollar-plus enrollments, and one of the others is Air Force.

Endowement and enrollment aren't perfect measuring sticks, or JAcksonville State and Coastal wouldn't have been called up. But they're reflections of what your resource base is, as a school. If you need to expand your athletic budget by $5M, do you have enough students to hit with an increased athletic fee, or enough rich alumni to donate the money. I very much doubt that a measure like athletic budgets or athletic revenue would show a much different picture.

It's not hard to make a case that bringing up an entire conference of what project as FBS bottom feeders breaks an underlying purpose of the conference-invitation rule, that FBS members be peer competitors with other FBS schools.

The NCAA would have a rough time arguing that South Alabama (15,000) and Alabama-Tuscaloosa (38,000) belong in the same category but North Alabama (7500) does not. But it's not hard to pull numbers that make a case that the WAC-ASUN group isn't on the level of the G5 conferences.

Division I should require that 5% of students (undergraduate and graduate) have full athletic scholarships.