(01-11-2023 04:20 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Chicago State draws more interest on this board than they do from their own constituency. We've had multiple members of this board sit in on trustee sessions via Zoom. There is no school or athletic department like it. Perhaps that's the attraction to it for us.

We even had an 85-post thread for a BOT Meeting on Zoom one day, with 50+ guests viewing the thread as we talked about it.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-899676.html

(01-11-2023 04:06 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 04:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 03:51 PM)Poster Wrote:  ... Anyway, the article title says Division I, which usually implies FBS. ...

It is on its face agnostic between FBS and FCS, since the S in both cases stands for "Subdivision" (that is, of Division 1), and anyone with the slightest idea of who Chicago State is and what position they are in would immediately assume that the article was talking about the Football Championship Subdivision, rather than the Football Bowl Subdivision.

95% of people think of Division I-A when they hear “Division I”.


I guess this article is really about them joining FCS, but the “Division I” in the title is probably deliberate clickbait.

No, they would be a Division I team. Just like NDSU, Villanova, NAU, San Diego, etc.

Because YOU don't realize there is football outside of the P5, doesn't mean that we shouldn't use ACCURATE terminology

(01-11-2023 04:06 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 04:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 03:51 PM)Poster Wrote:  ... Anyway, the article title says Division I, which usually implies FBS. ...

It is on its face agnostic between FBS and FCS, since the S in both cases stands for "Subdivision" (that is, of Division 1), and anyone with the slightest idea of who Chicago State is and what position they are in would immediately assume that the article was talking about the Football Championship Subdivision, rather than the Football Bowl Subdivision.

95% of people think of Division I-A when they hear “Division I”.


I guess this article is really about them joining FCS, but the “Division I” in the title is probably deliberate clickbait.

This forum is supposed to be filled with more well informed people than the general populace, including people who know that when you "add a division I football program" it needs to be FCS at least to start. You can't go straight to FBS, and therefore it should have been obvious that they're considering adding an FCS program.

It's not clickbait, you just made a bad assumption and are now defensive about it.

I think poster doesn't understand people in the way they work. If somebody says " I hooked up with a member of Destiny's Child back in the 90s" you can guarantee it was not beyonce. Or they would have said " I hooked up with Beyonce in the 90s"

(01-11-2023 03:36 PM)Poster Wrote:  Another FBS school who 99% of Americans (including 75% of people in the local area) had never heard of before they joined FBS.


Wonderful.

FCS would be their likely destination.

(01-11-2023 04:06 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 04:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 03:51 PM)Poster Wrote:  ... Anyway, the article title says Division I, which usually implies FBS. ...

It is on its face agnostic between FBS and FCS, since the S in both cases stands for "Subdivision" (that is, of Division 1), and anyone with the slightest idea of who Chicago State is and what position they are in would immediately assume that the article was talking about the Football Championship Subdivision, rather than the Football Bowl Subdivision.

95% of people think of Division I-A when they hear “Division I”.

What fraction of that 95% would be reading an article about Chicago State's sporting plans on The Athletic?

It seems likely that a majority of the readers of the article would have immediately understood what was meant.

Quote: I guess this article is really about them joining FCS, but the “Division I” in the title is probably deliberate clickbait.

Or else they assume that their most of their readership is more clued about how sports works than 95% of the general public.

It would probably be both an enrollment ploy and a way to make them a touch more attractive to a conference. There's a lot of FCS conferences flirting with the minimum number of football teams. CSU would be easy/cheap to get to, and in a market where a lot of schools have alums and recruit from. Even if the program is bad, some they could maybe manage to find a home.

(01-11-2023 05:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  It would probably be both an enrollment ploy and a way to make them a touch more attractive to a conference. There's a lot of FCS conferences flirting with the minimum number of football teams. CSU would be easy/cheap to get to, and in a market where a lot of schools have alums and recruit from. Even if the program is bad, some they could maybe manage to find a home.

Yep. I recall listening to a podcast on the state of higher education. The ex-president of Northwestern mentioned that a lot of smaller private schools who are dying, were being told to add more athletics to increase enrollment.

(01-11-2023 05:55 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  It would probably be both an enrollment ploy and a way to make them a touch more attractive to a conference. There's a lot of FCS conferences flirting with the minimum number of football teams. CSU would be easy/cheap to get to, and in a market where a lot of schools have alums and recruit from. Even if the program is bad, some they could maybe manage to find a home.

Yep. I recall listening to a podcast on the state of higher education. The ex-president of Northwestern mentioned that a lot of smaller private schools who are dying, were being told to add more athletics to increase enrollment.

How many very very average high school football, basketball, and soccer players willing to “pay their own way” do you think there are?

Oh boy, here we go again on the exact same topic that has been covered multiple times in the past. Unless we can read the article or if someone has something new, this topic has been covered to death. An article doesn’t mean there is any movement.

From FootballScoop:

FCS football may be coming soon to Chicago

Chicago State announced today that they are convening an exploratory committee to explore the addition of Chicago's first Division I program on the city's south side.

https://footballscoop.com/news/fcs-footb...to-chicago

(01-11-2023 06:15 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:55 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  It would probably be both an enrollment ploy and a way to make them a touch more attractive to a conference. There's a lot of FCS conferences flirting with the minimum number of football teams. CSU would be easy/cheap to get to, and in a market where a lot of schools have alums and recruit from. Even if the program is bad, some they could maybe manage to find a home.

Yep. I recall listening to a podcast on the state of higher education. The ex-president of Northwestern mentioned that a lot of smaller private schools who are dying, were being told to add more athletics to increase enrollment.

How many very very average high school football, basketball, and soccer players willing to “pay their own way” do you think there are?

Well, for starters, figure out the number of Division III athletes.
Then throw in 10-20-30 football walk ons at the 60-schollie FCS schools.

How do we want to count the partial-scholarship players, in the sports that do fractional scholarships?

If you're a high school athlete and you like playing your sport, you might pick playing tennis at University of Evansville where the coach promised you a spot on the team if you enrolled over going to Ohio State as a regular dude.

I don't know if Chicago State can scrape together a MEAC-level football roster, but it's probably their only shot of staying in Division I

My son was a D1 walk-on for a non-revenue sport. Was on the team all four years. Helped keep him on the straight and narrow as he graduated with a 3.2 GPA. Now has an MBA and a job with a major company.

(01-11-2023 03:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 03:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Excellent news.

Soldier Field can upgrade football teams.

Nice!

Levity for a generally humorless message board

They do have an actual stadium they can use, since Chicago State is playing soccer at the former Fire stadium

(01-11-2023 07:24 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  My son was a D1 walk-on for a non-revenue sport. Was on the team all four years. Helped keep him on the straight and narrow as he graduated with a 3.2 GPA. Now has an MBA and a job with a major company.

Did he go to an inner city, mostly black school that gets 50 people to their home basketball games?

(01-11-2023 07:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 07:24 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  My son was a D1 walk-on for a non-revenue sport. Was on the team all four years. Helped keep him on the straight and narrow as he graduated with a 3.2 GPA. Now has an MBA and a job with a major company.

Did he go to an inner city, mostly black school that gets 50 people to their home basketball games?

No, he did not.

They have been talking about starting football for several years now. I honestly don’t see this happening. Even if they did start a non-scholarship program it doesn’t do anything for their issues of not being in a conference.

They hired some feasibility study to help them get in a conference. More money they poured down the drain.

(01-11-2023 07:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Did he go to an inner city, mostly black school that gets 50 people to their home basketball games?

Actually, it's 94 per game.

https://www.gocsucougars.com/sports/mens...ball/stats

(01-11-2023 08:17 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 07:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 07:24 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  My son was a D1 walk-on for a non-revenue sport. Was on the team all four years. Helped keep him on the straight and narrow as he graduated with a 3.2 GPA. Now has an MBA and a job with a major company.

Did he go to an inner city, mostly black school that gets 50 people to their home basketball games?

No, he did not.

Really not applicable to Chicago State then. As any student willing to go to this school, has to be wanting to “deal” with their issues.

(01-11-2023 06:15 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:55 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  It would probably be both an enrollment ploy and a way to make them a touch more attractive to a conference. There's a lot of FCS conferences flirting with the minimum number of football teams. CSU would be easy/cheap to get to, and in a market where a lot of schools have alums and recruit from. Even if the program is bad, some they could maybe manage to find a home.

Yep. I recall listening to a podcast on the state of higher education. The ex-president of Northwestern mentioned that a lot of smaller private schools who are dying, were being told to add more athletics to increase enrollment.

How many very very average high school football, basketball, and soccer players willing to “pay their own way” do you think there are?

Plenty