(01-07-2023 11:39 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

Kao is also not as bad in offense as many think. He’s shooting 72% from the field. Yes most of those are alley oops, but with Davis penetrating outside of Williams he’s the best finisher we have

72% from the field. Yes. He averages 1.1 - 1.6 for a total of 2.6 PPG. Come on now. Too small of a sample size to make any inferences.

(01-07-2023 11:45 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  While that is true, Chandler is never going to win us a game (in fact he has directly lost us 1 possibly 2). Kao at least has the potential to change the game as we saw the other night. The Jayden thing is just inexcusable. There isn't a player on the team that I would rank him as better than.

I've given up on Penny knowing how to play his best 5. This has happened basically every year he has been coach. Chandler and Jayden played the least amount of minutes on the team last year and now all the sudden they are starters? OK Penny.

I've never been impressed with C. Lawson, but I don't think Jayden is as bad as people make him out to be. Stating that, I also don't believe Jayden should be starting, but he could still contribute from the bench. Regarding C. Lawson over Kao, it's easy for me to say we should be playing Kao more, but he's still pretty rough around the edges and Penny knows more about their skill sets (and personalities) than I ever will. Hopefully we'll see Kao get more mileage soon.

(01-07-2023 11:46 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:39 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

Kao is also not as bad in offense as many think. He’s shooting 72% from the field. Yes most of those are alley oops, but with Davis penetrating outside of Williams he’s the best finisher we have

72% from the field. Yes. He averages 1.1 - 1.6 for a total of 2.6 PPG. Come on now. Too small of a sample size to make any inferences.

Go look at the Ole Miss and A&M games and get back to me. When he plays more minutes he has an impact on both ends of the floor. If you can see that you are blind. Who do you think can do better at finishing or protecting the rim ?

(01-07-2023 11:43 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:39 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

I don't think that's fair to say. There is such a small sample size with Kao's stats that nobody, outside of the staff and team, really knows yet. Let's take two hypothetical players. One takes 100 shots and sinks 40 of them for 40% FG, and the other takes 3 shots and makes two for 66%. Sure, the one with 66% looks better on paper, but you can't say they're the better shooter with that small of a sample size.

Penny is with these guys almost every day. He knows more about their skillset and other factors than we ever will. There has to be more that we're not privy to. Playing armchair coach is fun, but we will never see the big picture.

Penny said in the postgame that he apologized to Kao for not playing him more.

I'm aware, but that's a bit of a vague comment from him and it doesn't mean that Penny is implying that he should be starting him. It also doesn't mean that Penny isn't serious about defense. I'm a big fan of Kao and I think he has untapped potential, but there could be more that none of us are aware of. Penny wants to win games, I can guarantee you that much.

You’d argue with a doorknob. I don’t know why I come here. One minute you say Penny sees it and then I give you a quote and then you say it’s vague

I’m done you win

(01-07-2023 11:53 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:45 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  While that is true, Chandler is never going to win us a game (in fact he has directly lost us 1 possibly 2). Kao at least has the potential to change the game as we saw the other night. The Jayden thing is just inexcusable. There isn't a player on the team that I would rank him as better than.

I've given up on Penny knowing how to play his best 5. This has happened basically every year he has been coach. Chandler and Jayden played the least amount of minutes on the team last year and now all the sudden they are starters? OK Penny.

I've never been impressed with C. Lawson, but I don't think Jayden is as bad as people make him out to be. Stating that, I also don't believe Jayden should be starting, but he could still contribute from the bench. Regarding C. Lawson over Kao, it's easy for me to say we should be playing Kao more, but he's still pretty rough around the edges and Penny knows more about their skill sets (and personalities) than I ever will. Hopefully we'll see Kao get more mileage soon.

This year we are starting the #11 and #12 players from last year's lineup (based on minutes played). Dudes who weren't even good enough to make a shorter rotation by several spots. Biggest thing holding this team back is Penny being Penny.

(01-07-2023 12:00 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:46 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:39 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Kao is also not as bad in offense as many think. He’s shooting 72% from the field. Yes most of those are alley oops, but with Davis penetrating outside of Williams he’s the best finisher we have

72% from the field. Yes. He averages 1.1 - 1.6 for a total of 2.6 PPG. Come on now. Too small of a sample size to make any inferences.

Go look at the Ole Miss and A&M games and get back to me. When he plays more minutes he has an impact on both ends of the floor. If you can see that you are blind. Who do you think can do better at finishing or protecting the rim ?

You're joking, right? The sample size is way too small to make any definitive statements. Sure, he did a good job grabbing passes for the dunk against A&M, but that doesn't demonstrate that he's our best finisher behind Davis and Dre. I'm surprised you would even make such a statement. In spite of being a huge fan of Kao, until we see more of him on the floor, it's impossible to say. Does he appear to have tremendous potential? Yes. Can anyone say without question he's our third best finisher? No. Using that logic, we should be judging him for his 35.7% FT shooting.

Ole Miss
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1-1 FG (100%)
0-0 FT (0%)

A&M
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3-4 FG (75%)
1-4 FT (25%)

(01-07-2023 12:02 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  You’d argue with a doorknob. I don’t know why I come here. One minute you say Penny sees it and then I give you a quote and then you say it’s vague

I’m done you win

You're so easy to trigger. Fact: his statement was terse. He apologized for not giving Kao more minutes. That's it. It doesn't communicate anything else or go into more detail, hence it's vague.

(01-07-2023 12:12 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:53 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:45 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  While that is true, Chandler is never going to win us a game (in fact he has directly lost us 1 possibly 2). Kao at least has the potential to change the game as we saw the other night. The Jayden thing is just inexcusable. There isn't a player on the team that I would rank him as better than.

I've given up on Penny knowing how to play his best 5. This has happened basically every year he has been coach. Chandler and Jayden played the least amount of minutes on the team last year and now all the sudden they are starters? OK Penny.

I've never been impressed with C. Lawson, but I don't think Jayden is as bad as people make him out to be. Stating that, I also don't believe Jayden should be starting, but he could still contribute from the bench. Regarding C. Lawson over Kao, it's easy for me to say we should be playing Kao more, but he's still pretty rough around the edges and Penny knows more about their skill sets (and personalities) than I ever will. Hopefully we'll see Kao get more mileage soon.

This year we are starting the #11 and #12 players from last year's lineup (based on minutes played). Dudes who weren't even good enough to make a shorter rotation by several spots. Biggest thing holding this team back is Penny being Penny.

We had the IARP nonsense hanging over our heads for the last 2 years. THAT is the only thing holding Penny back. This year is fine, but Penny will put together a very good, very balanced team next year.