MEMPHIS--laying 13.5 against E.C.U----total 145.5---what say you ?

ECU +13.5 and over


EC 11-5 ats this year
Memphis 10-5 o/u

EC covered 5 of last 6
Memphis 0-4 ats last 4 games

Take the Tigers

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Tigers by 20 plus

Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

ECU and whatever over bet on KD

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

(01-07-2023 08:03 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

93-74. Good guys and over

(01-07-2023 08:03 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

Because we are not good at identifying shooters or who has the hot hand. Plus we are small on the perimeter and a lot of the time we just get shot over. And we also gamble trying to make steals and lose our man. We have enough of a sample size now to prove it’s more than “he just had his career night”

Saying all that Penny has had all week to correct this

(01-07-2023 08:03 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

Probably because our starting lineup features 3 players known to be bad at defense while better options rot on the bench.

(01-07-2023 10:12 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 08:03 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

Probably because our starting lineup features 3 players known to be bad at defense while better options rot on the bench.

Who would you say the players bad at defense are and who would be the better option to replace them?

(01-07-2023 10:25 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:12 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 08:03 AM)TigerBall Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 08:13 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  Our rebounding is suspect. We'll win, but not cover. Some Pirate will have a career game shooting 3s, making the O/U close. I wouldn't touch it.

Why does that always seem to be the case?

Probably because our starting lineup features 3 players known to be bad at defense while better options rot on the bench.

Who would you say the players bad at defense are and who would be the better option to replace them?

KD, Jayden, Chandler. KD has been become serviceable, but even if he wasn't his offense outweighs the bad. Jayden can't play offense or defense or rebound so any of Damaria/Keonte/McCadden would be a net positive. Chandler can't create his own offense and lets guards back him down to the goal while also not rebounding so inserting Kao will at least keep the defense honest with dunks and scare guards away from layups. The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

Now 15----148.5------$$$$ going on TIGERS and over

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

I don't think that's fair to say. There is such a small sample size with Kao's stats that nobody, outside of the staff and team, really knows yet. Let's take two hypothetical players. One takes 100 shots and sinks 40 of them for 40% FG, and the other takes 3 shots and makes two for 66%. Sure, the one with 66% looks better on paper, but you can't say they're the better shooter with that small of a sample size.

Penny is with these guys almost every day. He knows more about their skillset and other factors than we ever will. There has to be more that we're not privy to. Playing armchair coach is fun, but we will never see the big picture.

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

Kao is also not as bad in offense as many think. He’s shooting 72% from the field. Yes most of those are alley oops, but with Davis penetrating outside of Williams he’s the best finisher we have

(01-07-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

I don't think that's fair to say. There is such a small sample size with Kao's stats that nobody, outside of the staff and team, really knows yet. Let's take two hypothetical players. One takes 100 shots and sinks 40 of them for 40% FG, and the other takes 3 shots and makes two for 66%. Sure, the one with 66% looks better on paper, but you can't say they're the better shooter with that small of a sample size.

Penny is with these guys almost every day. He knows more about their skillset and other factors than we ever will. There has to be more that we're not privy to. Playing armchair coach is fun, but we will never see the big picture.

Penny said in the postgame that he apologized to Kao for not playing him more.

(01-07-2023 11:39 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

I don't think that's fair to say. There is such a small sample size with Kao's stats that nobody, outside of the staff and team, really knows yet. Let's take two hypothetical players. One takes 100 shots and sinks 40 of them for 40% FG, and the other takes 3 shots and makes two for 66%. Sure, the one with 66% looks better on paper, but you can't say they're the better shooter with that small of a sample size.

Penny is with these guys almost every day. He knows more about their skillset and other factors than we ever will. There has to be more that we're not privy to. Playing armchair coach is fun, but we will never see the big picture.

Penny said in the postgame that he apologized to Kao for not playing him more.

I'm aware, but that's a bit of a vague comment from him and it doesn't mean that Penny is implying that he should be starting him. It also doesn't mean that Penny isn't serious about defense. I'm a big fan of Kao and I think he has untapped potential, but there could be more that none of us are aware of. Penny wants to win games, I can guarantee you that much.

(01-07-2023 11:35 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:04 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:57 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:35 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  The best defensive lineup according to the advanced stats is KD, Lomax, Damaria, Deandre, and Kao so lets roll with that.

I like the suggested lineup. I wonder why Penny is continuing to limit Kao's playtime. We should get him back next year, so developing him now could pay long-term dividends beyond this season.

Kao has the second best defensive rating on the team by a large margin (0.1 points below Lomax). Penny really isn't serious about fixing the defense if he continues to bench him.

I don't think that's fair to say. There is such a small sample size with Kao's stats that nobody, outside of the staff and team, really knows yet. Let's take two hypothetical players. One takes 100 shots and sinks 40 of them for 40% FG, and the other takes 3 shots and makes two for 66%. Sure, the one with 66% looks better on paper, but you can't say they're the better shooter with that small of a sample size.

Penny is with these guys almost every day. He knows more about their skillset and other factors than we ever will. There has to be more that we're not privy to. Playing armchair coach is fun, but we will never see the big picture.

While that is true, Chandler is never going to win us a game (in fact he has directly lost us 1 possibly 2). Kao at least has the potential to change the game as we saw the other night. The Jayden thing is just inexcusable. There isn't a player on the team that I would rank him as better than.

I've given up on Penny knowing how to play his best 5. This has happened basically every year he has been coach. Chandler and Jayden played the least amount of minutes on the team last year and now all the sudden they are starters? OK Penny.