Perv, you don't seem to get it. Not only is West Virginia a dying state with a school that needs to admit 55% from out of State to stay open, they do not ADD a decent new media market. They sit in Pitt's media market. They sit in UVa's and VT's media market. They sit in your media market. Now if you want to leave the ACC or a meteor hits Charlottesville, Pittsburgh, or Blacksburg, then West Virginia could add something to the ACC. As it is now, they just subtract.

(01-01-2023 11:48 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 10:18 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  TCU makes a great addition to the ACC.

Their location in the DFW metro is the dead center of the new market the ACC needs to try and reach.

Adding TCU as the 15th is like any other vaccine you might take. Low risk and high reward if you get sick.

Then if the ACC and the SEC mergers, TCU is already there. If the ACC and SEC swap a school, TCU is there for swap material.

There are about 30 million people in Texas. Just the ACCN alone would worth the addition.

At 15 schools the ACC can maintain a unbalanced schedule or go to 3 divisions of 5 for football producing three champions and a wild card depending on what makes the most money.

I would put Tulane in the same boat.
16 works better for scheduling and it would give ESPN two CTZ options for the ACC.

A real "come to Jesus" meeting and a separate signed agreement would be needed with Tulane. They have demphasized football 3 times in the last 70 years and are like Duke in that respect. But they do have New Orleans going for them which beats Derm.

Just like the ACC had to have a "meeting" with Duke about their football program.

https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...aQ4243eilM

They add Clarksburg and Stuebenville - everything else we already cover.

(01-01-2023 11:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:48 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 10:18 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  TCU makes a great addition to the ACC.

Their location in the DFW metro is the dead center of the new market the ACC needs to try and reach.

Adding TCU as the 15th is like any other vaccine you might take. Low risk and high reward if you get sick.

Then if the ACC and the SEC mergers, TCU is already there. If the ACC and SEC swap a school, TCU is there for swap material.

There are about 30 million people in Texas. Just the ACCN alone would worth the addition.

At 15 schools the ACC can maintain a unbalanced schedule or go to 3 divisions of 5 for football producing three champions and a wild card depending on what makes the most money.

I would put Tulane in the same boat.
16 works better for scheduling and it would give ESPN two CTZ options for the ACC.

A real "come to Jesus" meeting and a separate signed agreement would be needed with Tulane. They have demphasized football 3 times in the last 70 years and are like Duke in that respect. But they do have New Orleans going for them which beats Derm.

Just like the ACC had to have a "meeting" with Duke about their football program.

Absolutely.

(01-01-2023 11:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  WVa attendance at home this year - 47,500 per game = 78.3%

That's with hosting no 15 KSU and hosting no 7 TCU, as well as OU.

That's not passion, that is Father Time claiming folks in the State of West Virginia and they are not being replaced.

https://twitter.com/TheBenBoothShow/stat...7126710272

HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS

(01-01-2023 11:50 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:38 AM)green Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:33 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I've been a proponent of adding TCU and WVU, possibly along with Cincinnati and either Baylor (or Houston and/or Oklahoma State), for years. I can't tell you how many times I was told it was a bad idea. Now that options are dwindling, all of a sudden it's a great idea! It was always a great idea - it just might be too late now.

TCU adds to the ACC.

WVa adds next to nothing if not subtracting from the ACC.


Let's just add the school that we know will not cause rancor and cause us to not make money off the deal.

wva adds passion ...

IN SHORT SUPPLY

Exactly.

WVU has immediate content upgrades for the ACC ...

WVU - Pitt (duh)
WVU - Va Tech
WVU - Syracuse
WVU - Louisville
WVU - Miami

Then ... I think you'd see WVU - Clemson turn into something. WVU whipped Clemson in a bowl game not to long ago. I am sure those fanbases would grow to hate each other. Ditto WVU - Florida State.

The passionate fan base plays into the new measurement (or the one popular this year) of viewers per game. WVU instantly adds at least 5 games that would do that, with a couple more ripe for the picking.


On the flip side ...

TCU adds ZERO instant rivals. But ... I think they would still be a good add.

Until proven otherwise, I think all of the Big 12 schools are "off the table" for realignment.
Again it doesn't make sense for FOX or ESPN to give up sharing the cost of the Big 12 .

Tulane is the nearest school that brings all new DMA's to the ACC.

Even in the case of Vandy, the Tri-Cities is penetrated by VT and UVa and GT gets into Chattanooga. You can debate the degree of market penetration all you as well as the quality of the programs.

Cincy sits in DMA already partially penetrated by Louisville.

DMA's are the macro building block of tv advertising. Statelines not so much. That's because huge metros often straddle multiple states such as NYC, Philly, DC, Charlotte, Tri-Cities, Memphis, KC, St. Louis, etc., etc.

For Green:

Schedule
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
September 1 7:00 p.m. at No. 17 Pittsburgh*

Acrisure StadiumPittsburgh, PA (Backyard Brawl)

ESPN L 31–38 70,622
September 10 6:00 p.m. Kansas

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV

ESPN+ L 42–55 OT 52,188
September 17 1:00 p.m. Towson*

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV

ESPN+ W 65–7 50,703
September 22 7:30 p.m. at Virginia Tech*

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA (rivalry)

ESPN W 33–10 65,632
October 1 7:30 p.m. at Texas

Darrell K Royal–Texas Memorial StadiumAustin, TX

FS1 L 20–38 100,740
October 13 7:00 p.m. Baylor

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV (Stripe the Stadium)

FS1 W 43–40 45,293
October 22 3:00 p.m. at Texas Tech

Jones AT&T StadiumLubbock, TX

FS1 L 10–48 56,530
October 29 12:00 p.m. No. 7 TCUdagger

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV

ESPN L 31–41 50,426
November 5 3:30 p.m. at Iowa State

Jack Trice StadiumAmes, IA

ESPN+ L 14–31 56,109
November 12 12:00 p.m. Oklahoma

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV (True Blue)

FS1 W 23–20 50,281
November 19 2:00 p.m. No. 15 Kansas State

Milan Puskar StadiumMorgantown, WV

ESPN+ L 31–48 37,055
November 26 12:00 p.m. at Oklahoma State

Boone Pickens StadiumStillwater, OK

ESPN2 W 24–19 52,353

Green, your research is poor. Here is VT all season:

Schedule
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
September 2 7:00 p.m. at Old Dominion*

S.B. Ballard StadiumNorfolk, VA

ESPNU L 17–20 21,944
September 10 8:00 p.m. Boston College

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA (rivalry)

ACCN W 27–10 65,632
September 17 11:00 a.m. Wofford*

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA

ACCN W 27–7 62,043
September 22 7:30 p.m. West Virginia*

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA (rivalry)

ESPN L 10–33 65,632
October 1 3:30 p.m. at North Carolina

Kenan Memorial StadiumChapel Hill, NC

ACCN L 10–41 45,029
October 8 3:30 p.m. at Pittsburgh

Acrisure StadiumPittsburgh, PA

ACCN L 29–45 54,677
October 15 12:30 p.m. Miami (FL)

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA (rivalry)

ACCRSN L 14–20 65,632
October 27 7:30 p.m. at No. 24 NC State

Carter–Finley StadiumRaleigh, NC

ESPN L 21–22 56,919
November 5 12:30 p.m. Georgia Tech

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA (rivalry)

ACCRSN L 27–28 62,843
November 12 12:00 p.m. at Duke

Wallace Wade StadiumDurham, NC

ACCRSN L 7–24 20,857
November 19 12:00 p.m. at Liberty*

Williams StadiumLynchburg, VA

ESPN+ W 23–22 23,055
November 26 Virginia

Lane StadiumBlacksburg, VA

Canceled[6]


Hmm, VT had the same turnout for BC and Miami as it did for West Va.

Do your research before you shoot your mouth off.


Green - you often conflate cause and effect. The sun for instance appears to rise because the earth turns on it's axis, not because you got up and wished it so or had rich guy in Miami chunk out some cash for the sun's services. And even then it is not the sun actually rising. Don't you get any of that?

(01-01-2023 12:08 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Tulane is the nearest school that brings all new DMA's to the ACC.

Even in the case of Vandy, the Tri-Cities is penetrated by VT and UVa and GT gets into Chattanooga. You can debate the degree of market penetration all you as well as the quality of the programs.

Cincy sits in DMA already partially penetrated by Louisville.

DMA's are the macro building block of tv advertising. Statelines not so much. That's because huge metros often straddle multiple states such as NYC, Philly, DC, Charlotte, Tri-Cities, Memphis, KC, St. Louis, etc., etc.

Even if the ACC were locked out of the Big 12.
Tulane and SMU (two of the original "Southern Ivies ((Magnolia Conference)) ) could prove to be excellent adds over time.

(01-01-2023 12:14 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Do your research before you shoot your mouth off.

twice-banned loser lecturing yours truly ...
the poster formerly known as state fan & lumberpack ...
got a bead on you ...

SHEESH

(01-01-2023 12:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 12:08 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Tulane is the nearest school that brings all new DMA's to the ACC.

Even in the case of Vandy, the Tri-Cities is penetrated by VT and UVa and GT gets into Chattanooga. You can debate the degree of market penetration all you as well as the quality of the programs.

Cincy sits in DMA already partially penetrated by Louisville.

DMA's are the macro building block of tv advertising. Statelines not so much. That's because huge metros often straddle multiple states such as NYC, Philly, DC, Charlotte, Tri-Cities, Memphis, KC, St. Louis, etc., etc.

Even if the ACC were locked out of the Big 12.
Tulane and SMU (two of the original "Southern Ivies ((Magnolia Conference)) ) could prove to be excellent adds over time.

To me, SMU is the ACC equivalent of the last two bridges in operation Market Garden - a bridge too far.

(01-01-2023 12:24 PM)green Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 12:14 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Do your research before you shoot your mouth off.

twice-banned loser lecturing yours truly ...
the poster formerly known as state fan & lumberpack ...
got a bead on you ...

SHEESH

Get out a hanky and wipe the bead off your forehead and learn to do a little research before you commence with Miami Chamber of Commerce Peddling.

(01-01-2023 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:50 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:38 AM)green Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:33 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I've been a proponent of adding TCU and WVU, possibly along with Cincinnati and either Baylor (or Houston and/or Oklahoma State), for years. I can't tell you how many times I was told it was a bad idea. Now that options are dwindling, all of a sudden it's a great idea! It was always a great idea - it just might be too late now.

TCU adds to the ACC.

WVa adds next to nothing if not subtracting from the ACC.


Let's just add the school that we know will not cause rancor and cause us to not make money off the deal.

wva adds passion ...

IN SHORT SUPPLY

Exactly.

WVU has immediate content upgrades for the ACC ...

WVU - Pitt (duh)
WVU - Va Tech
WVU - Syracuse
WVU - Louisville
WVU - Miami

Then ... I think you'd see WVU - Clemson turn into something. WVU whipped Clemson in a bowl game not to long ago. I am sure those fanbases would grow to hate each other. Ditto WVU - Florida State.

The passionate fan base plays into the new measurement (or the one popular this year) of viewers per game. WVU instantly adds at least 5 games that would do that, with a couple more ripe for the picking.


On the flip side ...

TCU adds ZERO instant rivals. But ... I think they would still be a good add.

Until proven otherwise, I think all of the Big 12 schools are "off the table" for realignment.
Again it doesn't make sense for FOX or ESPN to give up sharing the cost of the Big 12 .

Yeah ... the Big XII just signed a new GoR with incoming members. They are going nowhere for a while.

And there isn't anyone out there worth adding UNLESS for some strange reason Notre Dame decides they want to join the ACC ... then just about anybody could be the 16th and it would make the conference more money.

But ND ain't joining the ACC -- or any other conference -- for that matter.

(12-31-2022 09:06 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Curses! I knew we shoulda been the Gulf of Mexico Conference.

I believe the Gulf of Mexico is technically part of the Atlantic Ocean. So, the Atlantic Coast Conference still works.

(01-01-2023 04:19 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 09:06 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Curses! I knew we shoulda been the Gulf of Mexico Conference.

I believe the Gulf of Mexico is technically part of the Atlantic Ocean. So, the Atlantic Coast Conference still works.

You are correct. The Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of St. Lawrence, Labrador Sea, and Hudson Bay are all part of the Atlantic Ocean.

Only Cal, Arizona, ASU, UCLA, USC, Washington, WSU, OSU, Oregon, Utah, and Stanford drain to the Pacific.

Even the St. Lawrence estuary reaches past Three Rivers Quebec heading toward Montreal.

If your definition of Atlantic Coast is salt water meeting dry land at a state of province then Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, Ontario, Manitoba, Nunavut, and Quebec all meet the description. Puerto Rico - can't forget them.

(01-01-2023 02:31 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  ...there isn't anyone out there worth adding UNLESS for some strange reason Notre Dame decides they want to join the ACC...

This thnking is the root of the problem.
The Big XII didn't get Notre Dame - they added Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU - so how did they get such a big TV contract?

This thread is so realignment board. One of these pops up every time a team not in The Big Ten or The SEC unexpectedly wins a game. Conference realignment decisions are based on more than the result of one game.

(01-01-2023 07:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 02:31 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  ...there isn't anyone out there worth adding UNLESS for some strange reason Notre Dame decides they want to join the ACC...

This thnking is the root of the problem.
The Big XII didn't get Notre Dame - they added Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU - so how did they get such a big TV contract?

The "big" TV contract is based on future dollars not spaghetti-ized for a normal six year contract distribution.

24 - 25 - 26 -27 - 28 - 29

In a normal contract worth 100 dollars a year over 6 years, a normal distribution would be something like 75 - 85 - 95 - 105 -115 and 125 in year six.

In addition to this six year distribution, the payout begins two years from now.

Remember it is the B12 releasing numbers and doing so in a way to make conference look the best.

Between FY 15 and 21 the TV portion of the ACC contract was -

15 - 218M
16 - 226M
17 - 236M
18 - 277M
19 - 288M
20 - 332M
21 - 397M

Year over year that's an increase of 4%, 4%, 15%, 3.5%, 15%, and 20%. Or put another way an 82% increase over 7 years.

It will not be until we have FY 2022 form 990's before we even see a full year's worth of the ACCN.

The ACC displays financial information in arrears as a good business should. Some of the other conferences display unrealized future financial information as if it were today.

(01-01-2023 02:31 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:50 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:38 AM)green Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 11:33 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  TCU adds to the ACC.

WVa adds next to nothing if not subtracting from the ACC.


Let's just add the school that we know will not cause rancor and cause us to not make money off the deal.

wva adds passion ...

IN SHORT SUPPLY

Exactly.

WVU has immediate content upgrades for the ACC ...

WVU - Pitt (duh)
WVU - Va Tech
WVU - Syracuse
WVU - Louisville
WVU - Miami

Then ... I think you'd see WVU - Clemson turn into something. WVU whipped Clemson in a bowl game not to long ago. I am sure those fanbases would grow to hate each other. Ditto WVU - Florida State.

The passionate fan base plays into the new measurement (or the one popular this year) of viewers per game. WVU instantly adds at least 5 games that would do that, with a couple more ripe for the picking.


On the flip side ...

TCU adds ZERO instant rivals. But ... I think they would still be a good add.

Until proven otherwise, I think all of the Big 12 schools are "off the table" for realignment.
Again it doesn't make sense for FOX or ESPN to give up sharing the cost of the Big 12 .

Yeah ... the Big XII just signed a new GoR with incoming members. They are going nowhere for a while.

And there isn't anyone out there worth adding UNLESS for some strange reason Notre Dame decides they want to join the ACC ... then just about anybody could be the 16th and it would make the conference more money.

But ND ain't joining the ACC -- or any other conference -- for that matter.

Actually the GOR has not been signed.
The TV contracts have been worked out between the Conference, FOX and ESPN, but the deal has not been finalized because no GOR's have been signed by all parties.