(01-01-2023 08:20 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:35 PM)memphississy Wrote:  Some real "we miss indentured servitude" energy in this thread.

Full ride scholarship with tutoring, room & board, meals, medical care, etc.

It wasn't a bad deal for most. Those who could left early for the NFL.

Then a decent stipend was tossed onto the pile.

I could see increasing the stipend quite a bit.

Again, it wasn't a bad deal for most players but it was for a small percentage - the real stars.

So, they threw out the baby with the bathwater and have created an unmitigated cluster fukk of a mess for most schools.

I suppose your school, USC won't be impacted much if at all. Congratulations.

Conference revenue growth far outpaced tuition increases. We were long past the point of full scholarships plus "amenities" holding the same value compared to what the players were helping the schools generate.

No doubt but turning college football rosters into a largely unregulated pay for play minor league professional sport free for all isn't the answer - and - if we are going to make it essentially pay for play then the schools can take their conference payouts and use that to pay the players however they want to divy it up in a collective bargaining agreement.

Imagine an NFL team asking its fans not only to buy tickets but to donate additional money to pay the players and coaches / support staff salaries and to pay for practice facilities. This is essentially what the ask is now for college sports......

(01-01-2023 08:58 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:20 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:35 PM)memphississy Wrote:  Some real "we miss indentured servitude" energy in this thread.

Full ride scholarship with tutoring, room & board, meals, medical care, etc.

It wasn't a bad deal for most. Those who could left early for the NFL.

Then a decent stipend was tossed onto the pile.

I could see increasing the stipend quite a bit.

Again, it wasn't a bad deal for most players but it was for a small percentage - the real stars.

So, they threw out the baby with the bathwater and have created an unmitigated cluster fukk of a mess for most schools.

I suppose your school, USC won't be impacted much if at all. Congratulations.

Conference revenue growth far outpaced tuition increases. We were long past the point of full scholarships plus "amenities" holding the same value compared to what the players were helping the schools generate.

No doubt but turning college football rosters into a largely unregulated pay for play minor league professional sport free for all isn't the answer - and - if we are going to make it essentially pay for play then the schools can take their conference payouts and use that to pay the players however they want to divy it up in a collective bargaining agreement.

Imagine an NFL team asking its fans not only to buy tickets but to donate additional money to pay the players and coaches / support staff salaries and to pay for practice facilities. This is essentially what the ask is now for college sports......

I agree with you. I think it's stupid to even try to tell teams you can't directly use NIL to pursue recruits. To me that's part of the problem because it's weird hybrid of amateur-type rules on players that are getting paid. I get the original intent behind NIL was for things like jerseys being sold and players got nothing from it or college sports video games. But NIL as we know it is so general that it's creating multiple loopholes. And some are so big that it makes current attempts to manage NIL absurd. So now the workarounds are things like announcing how much money these NIL collectives are generating or what some of the players have gotten/will get for being a current player on a team (e.g. BYU and Miami for the latter). I would scrap most if not all of the rules trying to manage what schools do with NIL, let things play out for a few years, and then determine better regulations.

For the high revenue conferences I definitely believe they should set aside a portion of that money to pay players.


Also for those talking about the pay for the UT QB. Miami has a QB that might make up to $9.5M.

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/jaden-rasha...-recruits/

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

(01-02-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

It’s hilarious we have people here that are arguing that $2 million x four years isn’t $8 million.

(01-02-2023 11:42 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

It’s hilarious we have people here that are arguing that $2 million x four years isn’t $8 million.

Yes, it is.

The key point here is that whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years.

It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M.

(01-02-2023 12:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:42 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  It’s hilarious we have people here that are arguing that $2 million x four years isn’t $8 million.

Yes, it is.

The key point here is that whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years.

It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M.

So much common sense and awareness of objective reality. The board might implode today.

(01-02-2023 11:42 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

It’s hilarious we have people here that are arguing that $2 million x four years isn’t $8 million.

Not the argument at all, good grief.
The argument is that it will never be an "$8M payout" - so why frame it that way, unless you are trying to puff-up UTK.

(01-02-2023 12:53 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:42 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

It’s hilarious we have people here that are arguing that $2 million x four years isn’t $8 million.

Yes, it is.

The key point here is that whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years.

It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M.

Nope. It won't be a "4-year deal". It will be renewable every year, and the kid will have to earn it. It is 100% "their" choice.

(01-02-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 07:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 06:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  lol - everyone knows when kids can enter the draft - the request for the waiver is a formality - they get out after 3 years if they can...
Which means the max money will be $6M. If he pans out, he gets the rumored $2M per year for the 3 years.
If he doesn't pan out, he gets $2M for 1 year, then they move on.
Still great money, don't get me wrong.
Really no need for everyone to exaggerate it and call it a $8M deal - other than sensationalism.

At the end of the day, this deal sets a new precedent and has never been seen before. The contract allows for up to $8 million dollars for this individual to play for the Vols. Nothing you've stated changes that, and frankly, based on your original post, it isn't clear that you even understood the NFL draft rules.

Hint: it is an $8 million dollar deal. Just because there is the potential for the player to leave after only 75% has been paid out doesn't change the fact that it's an $8 million dollar deal. No need to twist the reality and pretend that it's not an $8 million dollar deal.

Obviously everyone here (well maybe a few slow ones don't) knows you have to wait 3 years after your HS class to enter the draft. Graduation is simply a waiver formality away. That is the only thing I clarified in my edit.

The only point I'm making, is the framing of the deal. UTK fans like to puff their chests and say they have a $8M deal. That's not how these things are typically framed, since they are year to year. The annual amount is the clear way to discuss this, since the deals are year to year. It's a $2M deal, and I'm frankly surprised anyone other than UTK fans would defend this otherwise.

It would be like us saying Jalen Duren had a $2M deal here, when it was only $500k annually, and there was no way he was ever going to stay 4 years to get $2M out of it. In fact, the rumor was that Jalen and Emoni each had "$1M deals" here - not $4M deals.

It's really a minor point just to try to take wind out of UTK fans sails. They don't have a $8M qb - because he will never earn that much at UTK.

The difference is that in basketball you can be one and done. The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship, possibly even remaining the duration depending on circumstances (though that is likely not happening.) That's the only point I'm making, that it's still an $8 million dollar deal that was presented.

sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.

(01-02-2023 06:03 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Not the argument at all, good grief.
The argument is that it will never be an "$8M payout" - so why frame it that way, unless you are trying to puff-up UTK.

The truth is that although there is reason to believe he might not stay all four years to collect the full $8 million dollar payout, it is still an $8 million dollar deal that is on offer. Trying to spin it to imply they aren't willing to pay $8 million dollars is ridiculous. The intent is absolutely there and if he chooses to stay, they will pay.

That's like trying to argue that a coach doesn't have an X dollar deal because it doesn't all pay out at once and they might leave for another school before it's all said and done. Crazy.

(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.

No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?

(01-01-2023 08:20 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:35 PM)memphississy Wrote:  Some real "we miss indentured servitude" energy in this thread.

Full ride scholarship with tutoring, room & board, meals, medical care, etc.

It wasn't a bad deal for most. Those who could left early for the NFL.

Then a decent stipend was tossed onto the pile.

I could see increasing the stipend quite a bit.

Again, it wasn't a bad deal for most players but it was for a small percentage - the real stars.

So, they threw out the baby with the bathwater and have created an unmitigated cluster fukk of a mess for most schools.

I suppose your school, USC won't be impacted much if at all. Congratulations.

Conference revenue growth far outpaced tuition increases. We were long past the point of full scholarships plus "amenities" holding the same value compared to what the players were helping the schools generate.

You sure about that? Maybe by a hair... but I'm 55. When I was a freshman, tuition was +/- $200 per semester (1985). When I went back (2010), it was over $5000.

PER SEMESTER...

I'm not gonna dork out here and do the math, but that's a hella lot inflation.

(01-02-2023 06:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:20 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:35 PM)memphississy Wrote:  Some real "we miss indentured servitude" energy in this thread.

Full ride scholarship with tutoring, room & board, meals, medical care, etc.

It wasn't a bad deal for most. Those who could left early for the NFL.

Then a decent stipend was tossed onto the pile.

I could see increasing the stipend quite a bit.

Again, it wasn't a bad deal for most players but it was for a small percentage - the real stars.

So, they threw out the baby with the bathwater and have created an unmitigated cluster fukk of a mess for most schools.

I suppose your school, USC won't be impacted much if at all. Congratulations.

Conference revenue growth far outpaced tuition increases. We were long past the point of full scholarships plus "amenities" holding the same value compared to what the players were helping the schools generate.

You sure about that? Maybe by a hair... but I'm 55. When I was a freshman, tuition was +/- $200 per semester (1985). When I went back (2010), it was over $5000.

PER SEMESTER...

I'm not gonna dork out here and do the math, but that's a hella lot inflation.

Definitely sure

I made a long post due to responding to different people. So here is the key part to save you some time.

Quote:Now that may be the case with the money being disproportionately high. And I at least agree about reigning in tuition costs. I say it that way because on the sports side you and I both know they are going to do the opposite and try to bring in as much money as possible. And yes it can take a lot to go to school, but those students aren't on the field/court helping to generate the revenues we are looking at. What they deal with is a different animal from what we are talking about in this thread.

According to this link, over the last 20 years we have seen:

• The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
• Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
• In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

In about the same time span from 2000 to 2019 the Power 5 saw increases in revenue of:

ACC - 455.37%
Big Ten - 817.25%
Big 12 - 415.26%
Pac-12 - 809.78%
SEC - 665.78%

So as you can see the jump in revenue based on percentage is much larger than the increase in tuition. I doubt they will be trying to dial that back anytime soon. On the contrary I'm sure they will try to push for more. This for me is why the reasoning that a free education is enough doesn't cut it anymore.

Now my take on how players should get the money isn't quite the same as straight up playing the players and could also allow the best players to get what they deserve. If you get into a university because you excel in academics you can earn multiple scholarships and grants. If that amount exceeds the tuition you get the extra money back to use how you want. I knew people that would get thousands back to do what they wanted after everything was paid for. If you get into a university because you excel at football or basketball, you get that one athletic scholarship. Doesn't matter how good you were, you aren't getting anything beyond that. The stipends were a step in the right direction though. Current rules won't even allow you to get academic scholarships unless you were above a certain level. So why not give the best players extra scholarships from that revenue being generated? That money would go to them after tuition is paid or or structure it to be paid out over monthly distributions as an example.

Now I will add that I am also more of an extremist with all this. I think hundred dollar handshakes should be legal among other things.

Now do the AAC...

(01-02-2023 11:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Now do the AAC...

Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.

(01-03-2023 01:49 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Now do the AAC...

Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.

I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.

This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.

According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.

When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.

But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.

(12-30-2022 04:03 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:58 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:44 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:33 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  No kidding, according to the article, the Vols are paying $8 million for their new quarterback.

I find that hard to believe. 1 or 2 maybe but not 8

According to these articles, it's $8 million dollars for Nico Iamaleava. So that's three published sources (out of many) stating as much, one of which is NBC News.

Opposing assistant coach throws major shade at program that gave a 2023 5-star recruit an $8 million NIL deal

Tennessee ups the NIL ante on quarterbacks

I don’t trust either of those sources lol

Ato sports? And a Gainesville FL site?

One was NBC News. You don't trust them? Here's a couple from The Athletic.

Nico Iamaleava has arrived. If he’s the $8 million QB recruit, he’s the best gamble

Five-star recruit in Class of 2023 signs agreement with collective that could pay him more than $8 million

After all the back and forth, I went back and reread the sources, since you are so confident it's a full $8M commitment that the kid controls and they are on the hook for in it's entirety.

First, which of the original sources is NBC News? The ones above are The Athletic - which broke the story - along with an online Vols service and the Gainesville newspaper.

Secondly, neither of us know if it's a $2M deal or an $8M deal. Because no one has produced the contract or even directly tied it to UTK and the qb. It's all still just hype and rumor.

Bottom line comes down to this. I'm more like the B10 coach in one of the articles. This is a hype-blast and not sustainable. I feel fairly confident that this kid will never collect $8M from this collective, nor will the next qb signed by UTK get $8M.

But congrats to them. The PR campaign worked. They even have some Memphis fans propagating their hype.

(01-02-2023 06:14 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.

No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?

You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"

Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."

So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.

(01-03-2023 10:41 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 06:14 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.

No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?

You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"

Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."

So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.

The original article at the Atlantic actually says he is paid monthly. So the guaranteed minimum is the $350,000 he gets immediately.

Quote:On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”

I also found this quote interesting in the NIL conversation from the same article:

Quote:Blake Lawrence, the founder of the NIL marketing platform Opendorse, said a deal that high seems like an outlier but added, “Whatever casual sports fans or coaches think student-athletes are earning from collectives, they’re (undershooting) by 10X. While $2 million (a year) is wild, $200,000 isn’t, but most people are thinking they’re getting $20,000.”