(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.
No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?
You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"
Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."
So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.
You will grasp at anything. If you think anyone believes they would offer that deal to a player and a scholarship, but not expect them to perform, you're foolish. The point is to recruit a top level football player. Are you really that thick?
(01-03-2023 10:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: After all the back and forth, I went back and reread the sources, since you are so confident it's a full $8M commitment that the kid controls and they are on the hook for in it's entirety.
First, which of the original sources is NBC News? The ones above are The Athletic - which broke the story - along with an online Vols service and the Gainesville newspaper.
Secondly, neither of us know if it's a $2M deal or an $8M deal. Because no one has produced the contract or even directly tied it to UTK and the qb. It's all still just hype and rumor.
Bottom line comes down to this. I'm more like the B10 coach in one of the articles. This is a hype-blast and not sustainable. I feel fairly confident that this kid will never collect $8M from this collective, nor will the next qb signed by UTK get $8M.
But congrats to them. The PR campaign worked. They even have some Memphis fans propagating their hype.
NBC News is the very first article listed in the thread on the very first post. Didn't do a very good job of going back and reading all of the links I suppose.
Second, no kidding no one has seen the contract. It's not customary for people to publish contracts for everyone to pore over. You were very confident stating Jalen Duren's deal. Have you seen his contract?
So much hype and so unsustainable that Miami is now doing a $9.5 million deal.
(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.
No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?
You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"
Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."
So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.
You will grasp at anything. If you think anyone believes they would offer that deal to a player and a scholarship, but not expect them to perform, you're foolish. The point is to recruit a top level football player. Are you really that thick?
lol
I'm just reading your quote, dood. When you say he can get 75% of $8M just by staying healthy, I assume you mean that.
But, yeah, I didn't see the NBC link at the top.
No real need to get so angry tho with the name calling. Stuck a nerve somewhere I suppose.
(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.
No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?
You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"
Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."
So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.
The original article at the Atlantic actually says he is paid monthly. So the guaranteed minimum is the $350,000 he gets immediately.
Quote:On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”
I also found this quote interesting in the NIL conversation from the same article:
Quote:Blake Lawrence, the founder of the NIL marketing platform Opendorse, said a deal that high seems like an outlier but added, “Whatever casual sports fans or coaches think student-athletes are earning from collectives, they’re (undershooting) by 10X. While $2 million (a year) is wild, $200,000 isn’t, but most people are thinking they’re getting $20,000.”
That is interesting, thanks. Couldn't get beyond the Athletic paywall.
So the minimum is $350k. Much lower than the $2M minimum I assumed. But he could get the $8M by the end of his 3rd year.
I still think it's mostly hype and he will never collect $8M from the UTK collective. I'm guessing he will have to be a Heisman candidate from day 1 to have enough "opportunities" to approach the full $8M.
(01-02-2023 06:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: sigh
No - there is no guaranteed minimum. The kid will have to earn that money every year. If you think the unnamed party will pay $2M/year for a kid that doesn't earn the starting position and is 3rd string on the depth chart, then I don't know how else to help you understand.
No kidding. Everything stated is based on the assumption he will be a starter and play at a very high level. Do you think we're not aware of that? Are you serious?
You said...
"The individual in question will see at least 75% of that $8 million at a minimum as long as they stay healthy and keep their scholarship"
Someone else said...
"whoever is writing the check is on the hook for $8M if the kid stays all 4 years. It is not their choice - it is the kid's choice whether or not he collects all $8M."
So, yeah, it seriously seems you are not aware of how this will likely work.
You will grasp at anything. If you think anyone believes they would offer that deal to a player and a scholarship, but not expect them to perform, you're foolish. The point is to recruit a top level football player. Are you really that thick?
lol
I'm just reading your quote, dood. When you say he can get 75% of $8M just by staying healthy, I assume you mean that.
But, yeah, I didn't see the NBC link at the top.
No real need to get so angry tho with the name calling. Stuck a nerve somewhere I suppose.
Not at all. Just telling it like it is. To pretend that that it's not understood the player will have to deliver is simple trolling. By keeping his scholarship it implies he's getting the job done (and staying eligible academically.)
Now tell me again where I can see Jalen Duren's contract, for my review.
(01-03-2023 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote: The original article at the Atlantic actually says he is paid monthly. So the guaranteed minimum is the $350,000 he gets immediately.
Quote:On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”
I also found this quote interesting in the NIL conversation from the same article:
Quote:Blake Lawrence, the founder of the NIL marketing platform Opendorse, said a deal that high seems like an outlier but added, “Whatever casual sports fans or coaches think student-athletes are earning from collectives, they’re (undershooting) by 10X. While $2 million (a year) is wild, $200,000 isn’t, but most people are thinking they’re getting $20,000.”
That is interesting, thanks. Couldn't get beyond the Athletic paywall.
So the minimum is $350k. Much lower than the $2M minimum I assumed. But he could get the $8M by the end of his 3rd year.
I still think it's mostly hype and he will never collect $8M from the UTK collective. I'm guessing he will have to be a Heisman candidate from day 1 to have enough "opportunities" to approach the full $8M.
The minimum is $350K but he gets it day one with monthly payouts, and he does have the potential to get the full amount even if he leaves for the draft at his earliest opportunity. So are you finally willing to accept that it's an $8 million dollar deal? I get the sense you will never admit you were wrong.
(01-03-2023 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote: The original article at the Atlantic actually says he is paid monthly. So the guaranteed minimum is the $350,000 he gets immediately.
Quote:On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletic has learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”
I also found this quote interesting in the NIL conversation from the same article:
Quote:Blake Lawrence, the founder of the NIL marketing platform Opendorse, said a deal that high seems like an outlier but added, “Whatever casual sports fans or coaches think student-athletes are earning from collectives, they’re (undershooting) by 10X. While $2 million (a year) is wild, $200,000 isn’t, but most people are thinking they’re getting $20,000.”
That is interesting, thanks. Couldn't get beyond the Athletic paywall.
So the minimum is $350k. Much lower than the $2M minimum I assumed. But he could get the $8M by the end of his 3rd year.
I still think it's mostly hype and he will never collect $8M from the UTK collective. I'm guessing he will have to be a Heisman candidate from day 1 to have enough "opportunities" to approach the full $8M.
The minimum is $350K but he gets it day one with monthly payouts, and he does have the potential to get the full amount even if he leaves for the draft at his earliest opportunity. So are you finally willing to accept that it's an $8 million dollar deal? I get the sense you will never admit you were wrong.
Last I will say on this, because we simply see it different, there is no "proof" either way, and neither is willing to see the other's perspective...
I only admit I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. Like the NBC News link. I will not say I'm wrong that it's a $8M deal, because from the beginning, I've said that's an exaggerated framing of the deal, tended to hype UTK's program. And that is not wrong IMO.
(01-03-2023 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Last I will say on this, because we simply see it different, there is no "proof" either way, and neither is willing to see the other's perspective...
I only admit I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. Like the NBC News link. I will not say I'm wrong that it's a $8M deal, because from the beginning, I've said that's an exaggerated framing of the deal, tended to hype UTK's program. And that is not wrong IMO.
Fair enough, but the numerous sources stating that it's true tends to trump what you're saying. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that. One thing I will agree on is that it does hype the UTK program, but that's okay, Miami just one-upped them and this is just the beginning.
When you get around to finding your source and the contents of the contract for Duren's deal, let me know. It will be an interesting read.
(01-02-2023 11:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Now do the AAC...
Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.
I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.
This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.
According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.
When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.
But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.
It wasn't my intention to defend the "indentured servitude" post. Just that the revenue jumps are why I believe the things student-athletes used to get don't cut it anymore. After being a walk-on when Coach Scherer was at Memphis I started believing that scholarship student-athletes deserved more than what they got. The revenue taking off like it did sealed that thought for me. I know quite a few people are not a fan of this "Wild West". But if this is the best we can get right now for these athletes to get something then I support it.
But yeah it's hard to say that comparison is fair also because it's a much larger window of time on the tuition side and only looks at the media deal in comparison. I was looking at total revenue. I'd have to see if I can find it, but I don't think they were even making that much in 1990. That $2M per sounds rather high if I understand you right.
(01-02-2023 11:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Now do the AAC...
Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.
I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.
This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.
According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.
When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.
But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.
It wasn't my intention to defend the "indentured servitude" post. Just that the revenue jumps are why I believe the things student-athletes used to get don't cut it anymore. After being a walk-on when Coach Scherer was at Memphis I started believing that scholarship student-athletes deserved more than what they got. The revenue taking off like it did sealed that thought for me. I know quite a few people are not a fan of this "Wild West". But if this is the best we can get right now for these athletes to get something then I support it.
But yeah it's hard to say that comparison is fair also because it's a much larger window of time on the tuition side and only looks at the media deal in comparison. I was looking at total revenue. I'd have to see if I can find it, but I don't think they were even making that much in 1990. That $2M per sounds rather high if I understand you right.
Well, I got that from the $19.2M TV deal in 1990 for the BigEast for 11 teams.... not all of those were football members, either.
(01-02-2023 11:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Now do the AAC...
Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.
I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.
This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.
According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.
When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.
But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.
It wasn't my intention to defend the "indentured servitude" post. Just that the revenue jumps are why I believe the things student-athletes used to get don't cut it anymore. After being a walk-on when Coach Scherer was at Memphis I started believing that scholarship student-athletes deserved more than what they got. The revenue taking off like it did sealed that thought for me. I know quite a few people are not a fan of this "Wild West". But if this is the best we can get right now for these athletes to get something then I support it.
But yeah it's hard to say that comparison is fair also because it's a much larger window of time on the tuition side and only looks at the media deal in comparison. I was looking at total revenue. I'd have to see if I can find it, but I don't think they were even making that much in 1990. That $2M per sounds rather high if I understand you right.
Well, I got that from the $19.2M TV deal in 1990 for the BigEast for 11 teams.... not all of those were football members, either.
Ok. The reason why I said it sounds high is because according one of the articles I linked the total per team payout in 2000 was $2.8M. Thanks to the number you gave I was able to find it. The $19.2M media deal was for four years. So $4.8M per year or $436,363.64 per team if they all got equal share regardless of not having a football team.
(01-03-2023 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Last I will say on this, because we simply see it different, there is no "proof" either way, and neither is willing to see the other's perspective...
I only admit I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. Like the NBC News link. I will not say I'm wrong that it's a $8M deal, because from the beginning, I've said that's an exaggerated framing of the deal, tended to hype UTK's program. And that is not wrong IMO.
Fair enough, but the numerous sources stating that it's true tends to trump what you're saying. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that. One thing I will agree on is that it does hype the UTK program, but that's okay, Miami just one-upped them and this is just the beginning.
When you get around to finding your source and the contents of the contract for Duren's deal, let me know. It will be an interesting read.
sigh - Don't want to keep doing the back and forth, so please don't ask me to do your research any more.
You weren't around before last December, and since this is your only account, you most certainly missed all the stories, links, discussions about Emoni and Jalen NIL. As you know, the contracts aren't public documents. So this becomes another media hype similar to UTK's (difference being, obviously, we are the good guys). There were some reports that FedEx was funneling $1M to Jalen, but that was refuted. Even so, there is a lot more direct info and quotes on Duren's deals than there are many others (including hard facts on UTK's deal).
Here are just a few links for you - there are plenty out there if you are that interested:
(01-03-2023 01:49 AM)Alanda Wrote: Well as you already know the AAC hasn't been around for 20 years and the Big East/AAC has gone through a change that none of the others come close to experiencing so they saw big fluctuations. But for the AAC from FY 2015-FY 2020 there was 57.28% increase. Revenue dropped 15% ($94M) the next FY due to COVID I believe. According to this site, from 13-14 to 19-20 tuition increased 14.31%. I've seen you talk about it before, but I can't remember if you said you were full-time when you went back in 2010. If you were FT then that $5k was below the national average.
I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.
This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.
According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.
When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.
But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.
It wasn't my intention to defend the "indentured servitude" post. Just that the revenue jumps are why I believe the things student-athletes used to get don't cut it anymore. After being a walk-on when Coach Scherer was at Memphis I started believing that scholarship student-athletes deserved more than what they got. The revenue taking off like it did sealed that thought for me. I know quite a few people are not a fan of this "Wild West". But if this is the best we can get right now for these athletes to get something then I support it.
But yeah it's hard to say that comparison is fair also because it's a much larger window of time on the tuition side and only looks at the media deal in comparison. I was looking at total revenue. I'd have to see if I can find it, but I don't think they were even making that much in 1990. That $2M per sounds rather high if I understand you right.
Well, I got that from the $19.2M TV deal in 1990 for the BigEast for 11 teams.... not all of those were football members, either.
Ok. The reason why I said it sounds high is because according one of the articles I linked the total per team payout in 2000 was $2.8M. Thanks to the number you gave I was able to find it. The $19.2M media deal was for four years. So $4.8M per year or $436,363.64 per team if they all got equal share regardless of not having a football team.
Oh, I totally read that wrong. I thought it was 19.2 per year.
(01-03-2023 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Last I will say on this, because we simply see it different, there is no "proof" either way, and neither is willing to see the other's perspective...
I only admit I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. Like the NBC News link. I will not say I'm wrong that it's a $8M deal, because from the beginning, I've said that's an exaggerated framing of the deal, tended to hype UTK's program. And that is not wrong IMO.
Fair enough, but the numerous sources stating that it's true tends to trump what you're saying. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that. One thing I will agree on is that it does hype the UTK program, but that's okay, Miami just one-upped them and this is just the beginning.
When you get around to finding your source and the contents of the contract for Duren's deal, let me know. It will be an interesting read.
sigh - Don't want to keep doing the back and forth, so please don't ask me to do your research any more.
You weren't around before last December, and since this is your only account, you most certainly missed all the stories, links, discussions about Emoni and Jalen NIL. As you know, the contracts aren't public documents. So this becomes another media hype similar to UTK's (difference being, obviously, we are the good guys). There were some reports that FedEx was funneling $1M to Jalen, but that was refuted. Even so, there is a lot more direct info and quotes on Duren's deals than there are many others (including hard facts on UTK's deal).
Here are just a few links for you - there are plenty out there if you are that interested:
Amazing. You're providing nothing that specifies the exact NIL payout Duren was to receive. You even had the nerve to complain that no one published a contract for the UTK player when you were trying to convince everyone that an $8 million dollar deal wasn't an $8 million dollar deal.
Frankly, it's not surprising, and there is no need to respond unless you have something material to add. If your intention is to go back and forth without adding anything relevant to the discussion, take it to PM.
(01-03-2023 02:34 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: I was full-time from 2010 to 2016 (masters in Architecture) . It only got worse.
As everyone knows, tuition is only half the story. During that same period I had all three of my children go through their undergrads at Memphis, complete with room and board tacked on. To imply that a full ride scholly WITH A STIPEND is indentured servitude is a gross miss characterization.
This article seems to lend some information.
October 1990, so not 5 years after my recollection of my 1985 tuition costs.
According to this site, I was "mis-remembering". Apparently it was closer to $1000 per semester.
When you look at both together, you see that tuition has gone from +/- $1000 per semester to over $5000 per semester this year. That's a 500% increase. Yet in that same timeframe, the BigEast/American TV contract has gone up from $2M/team to $7M/team. A 350% increase.
But I'm probably not being fair. I mean, none of those original BE teams are in the league now, and they are all off making $30M+ per team per year. While we weren't making squat in CUSA/independent.
It wasn't my intention to defend the "indentured servitude" post. Just that the revenue jumps are why I believe the things student-athletes used to get don't cut it anymore. After being a walk-on when Coach Scherer was at Memphis I started believing that scholarship student-athletes deserved more than what they got. The revenue taking off like it did sealed that thought for me. I know quite a few people are not a fan of this "Wild West". But if this is the best we can get right now for these athletes to get something then I support it.
But yeah it's hard to say that comparison is fair also because it's a much larger window of time on the tuition side and only looks at the media deal in comparison. I was looking at total revenue. I'd have to see if I can find it, but I don't think they were even making that much in 1990. That $2M per sounds rather high if I understand you right.
Well, I got that from the $19.2M TV deal in 1990 for the BigEast for 11 teams.... not all of those were football members, either.
Ok. The reason why I said it sounds high is because according one of the articles I linked the total per team payout in 2000 was $2.8M. Thanks to the number you gave I was able to find it. The $19.2M media deal was for four years. So $4.8M per year or $436,363.64 per team if they all got equal share regardless of not having a football team.
Oh, I totally read that wrong. I thought it was 19.2 per year.
All good. I miss more than enough stuff to know how that goes.
(01-01-2023 06:35 PM)memphississy Wrote: Some real "we miss indentured servitude" energy in this thread.
That is exactly right. We have posters complaining that players won't continue paying for free and complaining that they will move to places that will pay them more. Our entitled posters think it isn't fair.
Top level professional athletes fight about people making more money, didn't everyone know this? Ask Scottie Pippen to name a very public example that's still being talked about. Even in traditional workplaces people fight about salaries. How can this be news to anyone?
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NIL in a nutshell.
