(03-17-2023 12:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2023 07:32 AM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  Well, guess we'll see what McClain will do now. I fear a big extension. I can see MBB becoming like WBB.

Ladner plugged and played guys from the portal.. But sometimes it's hard to capture lightning twice in a bottle.

If Ladner hadn't hired Cardona, we would have been awful again. I'm still not sold on Ladner after three years of ineptitude.

(03-18-2023 12:01 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(03-17-2023 12:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2023 07:32 AM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  Well, guess we'll see what McClain will do now. I fear a big extension. I can see MBB becoming like WBB.

Ladner plugged and played guys from the portal.. But sometimes it's hard to capture lightning twice in a bottle.

If Ladner hadn't hired Cardona, we would have been awful again. I'm still not sold on Ladner after three years of ineptitude.

YEP! Juan had the knowledge and the team!

(03-18-2023 04:24 PM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 12:01 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(03-17-2023 12:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2023 07:32 AM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  Well, guess we'll see what McClain will do now. I fear a big extension. I can see MBB becoming like WBB.

Ladner plugged and played guys from the portal.. But sometimes it's hard to capture lightning twice in a bottle.

If Ladner hadn't hired Cardona, we would have been awful again. I'm still not sold on Ladner after three years of ineptitude.

YEP! Juan had the knowledge and the team!

y'all are crackin' my arse up ... you guys do realize he was SBC corch of the year when NOBODY GAVE HIM A FK'N CHANCE TO SUCCEED!

certainly, you realize he knew his cods were in a sling going into this season...

wow, you guys really think somebody else pulled those strings of success ... that motherfk'r knew it was shite or get of the fk'n pot TTTime ... leaders figure out how to find the diamonds in the rough and take advantage....

disclaimer: I haven't pulled any punches with JL ... nor am I that 'sunshine biatch' ... however, I've known him most my life and told him when he came back, "I wish you nothing but the best ... now, go find those that get us back to relevance ... it's the opportunity of a lifetime with a low bar."

ref: Monk years and all the BS from the 'clique of opposition' during that era ... wtfe. Biatches...

at least gdunn (the self-admitted non hoops guy) realized how the portal is now advantageous....

Ladner in his first few years dealt with some pretty extremely unlucky events. We had lots of injuries, lots of attitude problems. Lots of players not working out. Now you can say all that is symptom of poor coaching.

But, if you do that, then I think it would be poor form to say it was all his assistants and not Ladner for this years success. Because then it just looks like you blame him for everything bad that happens and don't give him any credit for any good that happens.

For my part I believe the last few years were bad because of what I've listed above. Him being a bad coach may or may not have any part in that. I don't know I just watch the game and haven't even played basketball as a kid. Same thing with this year. His success may or may not have to do with the assistant coaches. My opinion is they did help him a lot and he got good players. This is something that he's stated as well.

Either way putting him on a short contract would allow other coaches to go after our recruits by saying we don't really believe in Ladner and he wont be here long. It may end up not having an effect. But, it's something to consider. He may or may not work out long term. One thing I do know is a lot of schools that would be over the moon to have our kind of season we just had and I don't think there are too many head coaches in the nation that could have pulled it off.

(03-19-2023 09:26 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Ladner in his first few years dealt with some pretty extremely unlucky events. We had lots of injuries, lots of attitude problems. Lots of players not working out. Now you can say all that is symptom of poor coaching.

But, if you do that, then I think it would be poor form to say it was all his assistants and not Ladner for this years success. Because then it just looks like you blame him for everything bad that happens and don't give him any credit for any good that happens.

For my part I believe the last few years were bad because of what I've listed above. Him being a bad coach may or may not have any part in that. I don't know I just watch the game and haven't even played basketball as a kid. Same thing with this year. His success may or may not have to do with the assistant coaches. My opinion is they did help him a lot and he got good players. This is something that he's stated as well.

Either way putting him on a short contract would allow other coaches to go after our recruits by saying we don't really believe in Ladner and he wont be here long. It may end up not having an effect. But, it's something to consider. He may or may not work out long term. One thing I do know is a lot of schools that would be over the moon to have our kind of season we just had and I don't think there are too many head coaches in the nation that could have pulled it off.

in totality, the post is spot-on ... the bold text is pure gold...

sign him to a multi-year contract and give him the opportunity to build ... if it doesn't work out, then let the buzzards feast on road-kill...

another thing working in our favor?! at some point, the 0.005 tax revenue will kick into gear ... tbh, it's about TTTime for Tody and McClain to get up off their collective arses with this ... I'm about sick of watching Kamper Park fk up the Aves w/o any news detailing when/how/what will be done with the Yurt...

Hmm, starting to understand why no one post on this board.

Long term contract? Y'all are insane. Three years of ineptitude. He made a change (got rid of Weatherspoon and hired Cardona) and it certainly paid off. I'm happy for our success this year. But you don't give a long term contract to someone after the three previous years' results. And if you look back even further, he was subpar at Southeastern before he came to USM. There's absolutely no reason to give him a long term contract and lock ourselves into a nightmare if things fall apart next year (which there's no evidence that won't happen). Also, no one is coming after our players.

(03-21-2023 10:50 AM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  Hmm, starting to understand why no one post on this board.

(03-21-2023 03:43 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Long term contract? Y'all are insane. Three years of ineptitude. He made a change (got rid of Weatherspoon and hired Cardona) and it certainly paid off. I'm happy for our success this year. But you don't give a long term contract to someone after the three previous years' results. And if you look back even further, he was subpar at Southeastern before he came to USM. There's absolutely no reason to give him a long term contract and lock ourselves into a nightmare if things fall apart next year (which there's no evidence that won't happen). Also, no one is coming after our players.

who stated long term ... multi-year ≠ long term

you guys didn't like Eustachy either ... he only has the other NCAA tourney team and the second highest winning percentage behind Tyndall...

how in the fk are you going to recruit w/o stability in the HC spot ... gfl with that...

they're right ... the 'burg is a shiTTTy hoops town...

(03-21-2023 10:50 AM)Golden Fogg Wrote:  Hmm, starting to understand why no one post on this board.

IMO this would be a better place for us to argue with each other than with all the other SBC threads..

I tried to post here during the fooshball, and got little commentary.. It's not that it's dead but we don't utilize it.. Myself included..

I liked LE a lot. Missed less than 6 home games the whole time he was here, but I agree that few others did. We could have done more, sooner with more support. He tried --used to buy the student section pizzas.

In his 4th season as head coach Dan Fitzgerald of Gonzaga went 14-14. Being 6th in the WCC. They were 4th the previous year. They went 8-20 the next going dead last in the WCC. A few years later they they went to the NIT and lost in the first round. It was their first NIT/NCAA appearance ever. The year was 1994. The next year they they went to the first round of the NCAA. The year after that it was just the NIT again. They were decent, but couldn't get over the hump. Just 5 years after that he went to the elite 8. It was the start of their explosive growth. I always wonder where Gonzaga would be if they had fired him after 8-20. After all it had been several years of not great performance. If it had of been these days I'm sure he would have been. Coaches are kept on a much shorter leash.

It paid off for Gonzaga keeping their coach. There are other schools where it paid off getting rid of their coach. But, there aren't too many examples of a school like Gonzaga that went from an unknown with barely winning records to a powerhouse.

The point is you just don't know. Ladner might continue his success or he may not. One thing I do know is people are far to quick to get on the coaching carousel. A short term contract says that's the direction we want to go. Once again not saying it's totally wrong, but you never know when you might have fired the coach that would have started something special.

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand he has a year left on his contract correct?

(03-24-2023 07:49 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand he has a year left on his contract correct?

I believe you are correct.

Then why are we worried about an extension?

(03-24-2023 12:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then why are we worried about an extension?

to recruits, it demonstrates good will + faith…

to donors, that too…

like I previously mentioned, it’s TTTime for Toby and McClain to get off their collective arses and lay out a plan for the Yurt…

(03-24-2023 03:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-24-2023 12:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then why are we worried about an extension?

to recruits, it demonstrates good will + faith…

to donors, that too…

like I previously mentioned, it’s TTTime for Toby and McClain to get off their collective arses and lay out a plan for the Yurt…

Fair point ol Stinky one