(12-08-2022 10:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 10:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Back when I held a TS-SIOP/ESI (meaning I had access to the nuclear launch codes), it was always my understanding that if a president disclosed classified information openly or removed it from secure storage, then it was automatically declassified. I have no idea where the legal basis for that interpretation lay, or whether it is still the case today.

I agree with Game that a clear interpretation of presidential classification/declassification authority would be a useful outcome.

As well. The current idea of 'I thought it, therefore it is' is fundamentally terrible.

It sucks that it has to be tested. I would hope a Chief Executive would be just an eensy weensy more careful than 'oopsie, I have them, I Yoda mind meld change them to non-classified.'

It does suck, but having a cretin like Trump as President showed us just how much our system relies on norms, traditions and decent people doing the right thing. Fortunately with our Constitution we have many more rules nailed down than a country like the UK, but more clarification is needed in many areas.

It also sucks that people think that it is seemingly perfectly appropriate, or justified, that we actually have a "I have a **** ton of these things, took them from the Office of the President, and in defense of that act I am saying I Yoda mind meld these things to non-classified".

For a law and order party that it once was, the Republicans have pretty much degenerated into the 'justify this action at any cost'.

And further race to justify the actions of figuratively pissing on a subpoena, lying in a sworn letter to the Feds, and a whole host of other stuff.

I would be able to give quarter to a shitbird at the top doing it, with the expectation that the party itself would eventually say -- hey, no more.

The Repubs did it with Nixon. This crop simply races to justify and doing so implicitly condones this type of garbage. You see it in this thread in spades, and in the MaL thread even more so.

Yeah, how fing dare that I want to see the law upheld even to a holder of the highest office. Lolz.

I guess the norm now has to be the GAO comes in election night and secures everything to keep that person from going out the door with it. I can take a cretin who is rude, and foul mouthed. I cant take a cretin that pulls the **** that Trump has with the documents, and simply lies and obstructs all the way through. And, I really cannot understand why whom I would assume would be upstanding people literally go out of their way to justify and condone this behavior.

Kind of surprised there is no thread about the AOC ethics investigation... not that I think anything will come from it, but she is being investigated.

https://abc7ny.com/alexadria-ocasio-cort.../12543876/

(12-09-2022 12:08 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Kind of surprised there is no thread about the AOC ethics investigation... not that I think anything will come from it, but she is being investigated.

https://abc7ny.com/alexadria-ocasio-cort.../12543876/

Zero problem with me in *any* ethics probe of any elected official.

(12-09-2022 12:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 12:08 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Kind of surprised there is no thread about the AOC ethics investigation... not that I think anything will come from it, but she is being investigated.

https://abc7ny.com/alexadria-ocasio-cort.../12543876/

Zero problem with me in *any* ethics probe of any elected official.

…only Trump threads allowed though…right?…you guys are obsessed.

(12-08-2022 07:19 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  This is about not giving back all the government's documents.... still? I mean the Stable Genius has said this government property is really his... although it's not. Also whether the DOJ is requesting .... at this late date....a civil or criminal contempt charge. See how this one plays out.

Why didn't they get the documents when they raided Mar-a-lago?

If you're going to send dozens of agents, make sure you hit every location and check every room and get every document you want the first time.

(12-08-2022 07:19 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  This is about not giving back all the government's documents.... still? I mean the Stable Genius has said this government property is really his... although it's not. Also whether the DOJ is requesting .... at this late date....a civil or criminal contempt charge. See how this one plays out.

Wake me up when he is in Cuffs.

We botched this whole prisoner trade... Trump the news now!!

(12-09-2022 07:56 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 12:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 12:08 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Kind of surprised there is no thread about the AOC ethics investigation... not that I think anything will come from it, but she is being investigated.

https://abc7ny.com/alexadria-ocasio-cort.../12543876/

Zero problem with me in *any* ethics probe of any elected official.

…only Trump threads allowed though…right?…you guys are obsessed.

Start a thread on it. No skin off my back. I might even join in on castigating her.

"only Trumop threads allowed" -- I dont make the rules here. Criminy, I have zero say in what threads are "allowed". Stop with the bull**** rhetoric.

And criminy, do you know how stupid it looks for a guy who is a moderator to complain to a couple of users that "only Trump threads allowed". Go start one on it. Instead of tossing rhetorical and empty bull**** on it.

You dont like Trump issues being put forth? Welllllll.... hate to tell you a couple of things here.

First, he *is* an announced candidate for President.

Not just that, but the thread that this is entitled -- first flipping time in our national history that an ex-President has been tossed with a contempt citation re: actions relating to his presidency. Not insignificant.

And, not just that, the first time that an ex-President has refused to make an accounting of the things pulled out of the White House on his trip out.

And, the first time that the government has gone to the step of subpoenas and judicial actions to retrieve items.

First time that a custodian of records for an ex-President has submitted a blatantly false sworn statement to the feds.

I mean, the law school textbooks will have 20 cases named Trump v. United States noted in them -- we are treading in issues that were just 'maybe in an extreme case' territory previously.

Right now Donald's expedition to the Special Master will be *the* case in Criminal Procedure cases for wrongfully exercising a rare form of jurisdiction by a trial court.

Still wondering if I should buckle up?