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(12-10-2022 11:00 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 07:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  My wife, a former Division 1 basketball player, is apoplectic that she has to watch him for potentially a whole other year. She may hate him more than any human being alive simply because he makes more fundamental errors than our 8 year old nephew.

My BIL is a UNC guy and says that JD's playing time might be a legacy of his Dean Smith/Roy Williams days. They played vets over younger talent if the vets offered better decision-making or were better on defense. i don't know if Coach Miller doesn't trust the froshes but he clearly trusts JD, for better or for worse.

FWIW, i don't recall JD taking a shot in the second half. Yes, he committed a very costly turnover but he also grabbed a few boards, so whatever messaging sending was conducted at half probably reached him. All that being said, he's a colossal liability on defense and will likely remain so. He's, at best, a 6th man off the bench.

i mentioned Coach Miller should probably get more Jarrett more minutes for defense and rebounding. He'll be no worse on offense. That doesn't necessarily mean that JD has to be demoted from the starting lineup. it would be largely ceremonial but it's still something that Coach can offer him as a consolation to a cut in minutes.

I think Wes feels a strong loyalty to JD. When Wes came in the big news was that JD was staying while all the transfers were happening. He was the guy we were going to build around. Now you can see we are better without him. Have to sit him. Feels like a stab in the back with him showing so much loyalty...This is what I gather is going on in Wes head.

(12-11-2022 10:58 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 11:00 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 07:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  My wife, a former Division 1 basketball player, is apoplectic that she has to watch him for potentially a whole other year. She may hate him more than any human being alive simply because he makes more fundamental errors than our 8 year old nephew.

My BIL is a UNC guy and says that JD's playing time might be a legacy of his Dean Smith/Roy Williams days. They played vets over younger talent if the vets offered better decision-making or were better on defense. i don't know if Coach Miller doesn't trust the froshes but he clearly trusts JD, for better or for worse.

FWIW, i don't recall JD taking a shot in the second half. Yes, he committed a very costly turnover but he also grabbed a few boards, so whatever messaging sending was conducted at half probably reached him. All that being said, he's a colossal liability on defense and will likely remain so. He's, at best, a 6th man off the bench.

i mentioned Coach Miller should probably get more Jarrett more minutes for defense and rebounding. He'll be no worse on offense. That doesn't necessarily mean that JD has to be demoted from the starting lineup. it would be largely ceremonial but it's still something that Coach can offer him as a consolation to a cut in minutes.

I think Wes feels a strong loyalty to JD. When Wes came in the big news was that JD was staying while all the transfers were happening. He was the guy we were going to build around. Now you can see we are better without him. Have to sit him. Feels like a stab in the back with him showing so much loyalty...This is what I gather is going on in Wes head.

He played only 20 minutes last night and it would have been less had they not had to do the offense-defense thing because Ody was in foul trouble.

Beat Miami. Move on and play with great effort the rest of the season.

(12-11-2022 10:58 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 11:00 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 07:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  My wife, a former Division 1 basketball player, is apoplectic that she has to watch him for potentially a whole other year. She may hate him more than any human being alive simply because he makes more fundamental errors than our 8 year old nephew.

My BIL is a UNC guy and says that JD's playing time might be a legacy of his Dean Smith/Roy Williams days. They played vets over younger talent if the vets offered better decision-making or were better on defense. i don't know if Coach Miller doesn't trust the froshes but he clearly trusts JD, for better or for worse.

FWIW, i don't recall JD taking a shot in the second half. Yes, he committed a very costly turnover but he also grabbed a few boards, so whatever messaging sending was conducted at half probably reached him. All that being said, he's a colossal liability on defense and will likely remain so. He's, at best, a 6th man off the bench.

i mentioned Coach Miller should probably get more Jarrett more minutes for defense and rebounding. He'll be no worse on offense. That doesn't necessarily mean that JD has to be demoted from the starting lineup. it would be largely ceremonial but it's still something that Coach can offer him as a consolation to a cut in minutes.

I think Wes feels a strong loyalty to JD. When Wes came in the big news was that JD was staying while all the transfers were happening. He was the guy we were going to build around. Now you can see we are better without him. Have to sit him. Feels like a stab in the back with him showing so much loyalty...This is what I gather is going on in Wes head.

JD not transferring has hindered this roster. Not trying to be mean. Just my honest opinion. He didn't have a true position at Moeller, either. Reason he went to prep school for a year. Grew a couple inches but he is still a round peg in a square hole at this level. He just doesn't have a real position against opponents that are not low-mid major talent wise. His decision making would have a guy like Huggins emptying the contents of his locker into a bin on the street a year ago.

(12-11-2022 11:12 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 10:58 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 11:00 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 07:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  My wife, a former Division 1 basketball player, is apoplectic that she has to watch him for potentially a whole other year. She may hate him more than any human being alive simply because he makes more fundamental errors than our 8 year old nephew.

My BIL is a UNC guy and says that JD's playing time might be a legacy of his Dean Smith/Roy Williams days. They played vets over younger talent if the vets offered better decision-making or were better on defense. i don't know if Coach Miller doesn't trust the froshes but he clearly trusts JD, for better or for worse.

FWIW, i don't recall JD taking a shot in the second half. Yes, he committed a very costly turnover but he also grabbed a few boards, so whatever messaging sending was conducted at half probably reached him. All that being said, he's a colossal liability on defense and will likely remain so. He's, at best, a 6th man off the bench.

i mentioned Coach Miller should probably get more Jarrett more minutes for defense and rebounding. He'll be no worse on offense. That doesn't necessarily mean that JD has to be demoted from the starting lineup. it would be largely ceremonial but it's still something that Coach can offer him as a consolation to a cut in minutes.

I think Wes feels a strong loyalty to JD. When Wes came in the big news was that JD was staying while all the transfers were happening. He was the guy we were going to build around. Now you can see we are better without him. Have to sit him. Feels like a stab in the back with him showing so much loyalty...This is what I gather is going on in Wes head.

He played only 20 minutes last night and it would have been less had they not had to do the offense-defense thing because Ody was in foul trouble.

He was atrocious yesterday so 20 minutes is a lot. Wes will have to make the tough call and limit his playing time and bring him off the bench. Let's see if he can make the tough but wise decision.

Never in my life have I witnessed such injustice! The worst officiating in the world. Xavier broke every rule from the time the game began until it was over. Do not get on my case because I am not crying!

Nobody beats the Bearcats.

Xavier, you come on the scene, you make the scene happen. You wiped it out for Cincinnati and all the Bearcats fans. You come right from underneath everybody and you stole the game.

Cincinnati will be back for you, Xavier. And they will claim what rightfully belongs to them. Never before have I been so humiliated.

Cincinnati will be back. What's rightfully theirs will be back.

(12-11-2022 05:02 PM)Tom Campusano Wrote:  Never in my life have I witnessed such injustice! The worst officiating in the world. Xavier broke every rule from the time the game began until it was over. Do not get on my case because I am not crying!

Nobody beats the Bearcats.

Xavier, you come on the scene, you make the scene happen. You wiped it out for Cincinnati and all the Bearcats fans. You come right from underneath everybody and you stole the game.

Cincinnati will be back for you, Xavier. And they will claim what rightfully belongs to them. Never before have I been so humiliated.

Cincinnati will be back. What's rightfully theirs will be back.

Sounds like something Kari Lake would claim.

(12-11-2022 07:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You've gone from one of the most positive posters on the board to maybe the most negative. Quite the turn

I deleted my diatribe. It was venting from pent up frustration over the past several years of watching UC hoops. Frustration over losing our most successful football coach ever. Sometimes I wish I didn't care so much. Onward and upward...

Vent your spleen if it's what you feel. It's the first amendment of fandom. If people only want rainbow unicorns, too bad.

There was so much that went wrong yesterday that it's a little disturbing that we have to hope all of this works or somehow.

He called his shot. Let's hope he can deliver because he'll be coaching elsewhere before he lands in the grave.

(12-10-2022 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We are going to struggle mightily next year running the B12 gauntlet. It's year #2 in the B12 that will preserve or seal his fate. Fans and donors are not going to tolerate 6 years without a NCAA appearance regardless of why or who is at fault. March of 24' Wes will either get the ax or earn an extension.

west virginia is a good example what it is moving to the Big 12 conference a few years ago. WVU was in the upper tier in football and basketball in the big east but they were pretty much in bottom of the pile for a couple of years in the big 12. I think UC will go through the pains also. I think Wes Miller will suceed. Just give him some slack for a couple years or so.

(12-11-2022 07:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You've gone from one of the most positive posters on the board to maybe the most negative. Quite the turn

I deleted my diatribe. It was venting from pent up frustration over the past several years of watching UC hoops. Frustration over losing our most successful football coach ever. Sometimes I wish I didn't care so much. Onward and upward...

I thought you didn't even watch the game?

(12-11-2022 09:22 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We are going to struggle mightily next year running the B12 gauntlet. It's year #2 in the B12 that will preserve or seal his fate. Fans and donors are not going to tolerate 6 years without a NCAA appearance regardless of why or who is at fault. March of 24' Wes will either get the ax or earn an extension.

west virginia is a good example what it is moving to the Big 12 conference a few years ago. WVU was in the upper tier in football and basketball in the big east but they were pretty much in bottom of the pile for a couple of years in the big 12. I think UC will go through the pains also. I think Wes Miller will suceed. Just give him some slack for a couple years or so.

West Virginia basketball was in a better position in a better conference than UC is right now. Basketball wise this program is going to require a miraculous resurrection before we can even think of competing in the Big XII. We’re going to go a decade between NCAA tourney visits.

(12-11-2022 09:59 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 09:22 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We are going to struggle mightily next year running the B12 gauntlet. It's year #2 in the B12 that will preserve or seal his fate. Fans and donors are not going to tolerate 6 years without a NCAA appearance regardless of why or who is at fault. March of 24' Wes will either get the ax or earn an extension.

west virginia is a good example what it is moving to the Big 12 conference a few years ago. WVU was in the upper tier in football and basketball in the big east but they were pretty much in bottom of the pile for a couple of years in the big 12. I think UC will go through the pains also. I think Wes Miller will suceed. Just give him some slack for a couple years or so.

West Virginia basketball was in a better position in a better conference than UC is right now. Basketball wise this program is going to require a miraculous resurrection before we can even think of competing in the Big XII. We’re going to go a decade between NCAA tourney visits.

I doubt it will take that long but two to three years to restock the roster with high end talent. UCF and BYU are going to be a rough place too.

Wes has to do a better job in the transfer portal. Whether it’s NIL money, scouting, or networking this staff has to bring in two impact players in the portal this off season. They also have to figure out who they should take next year to the Big XII out of the current guys eligible to return. This includes deciding if guys like Hensley and Sage are worth developing and whether any of seniors should be return. They absolutely can not waste rosters spots next season on guys that can’t contribute or are completely overmatched.

Right now they have two injured players ( Newman, Phinisee), two zero impact bigs ( Kalu, Sage) and two low production mid-major level power forwards ( JD, Hensley) and two freshman going through a learning process with ( Skillings, Reed). I see only five players that fit their current role, two freshmen that maybe turn into productive players. There is a lot of wasted and redundant scholarship on this roster. Some of it is bad luck but the rest of it talent evaluation and coaching.

(12-11-2022 09:49 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You've gone from one of the most positive posters on the board to maybe the most negative. Quite the turn

I deleted my diatribe. It was venting from pent up frustration over the past several years of watching UC hoops. Frustration over losing our most successful football coach ever. Sometimes I wish I didn't care so much. Onward and upward...

I thought you didn't even watch the game?

DVR'd it. I didn't watch it and I don't plan to. I saw the final results/box score. What does not watching it have to do with my disappointment or getting pissed that our hoops program is a shell of its former self? That we continue to struggle against our arch-rivals or any team with a pulse?

(12-11-2022 10:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 09:49 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You've gone from one of the most positive posters on the board to maybe the most negative. Quite the turn

I deleted my diatribe. It was venting from pent up frustration over the past several years of watching UC hoops. Frustration over losing our most successful football coach ever. Sometimes I wish I didn't care so much. Onward and upward...

I thought you didn't even watch the game?

DVR'd it. I didn't watch it and I don't plan to. I saw the final results/box score. What does not watching it have to do with my disappointment or getting pissed that our hoops program is a shell of its former self? That we continue to struggle against our arch-rivals or any team with a pulse?

Weird to me to be so upset about a game you didn't even see. I figured you'd be happy you didn't waste your time.

I didn't waste my time watching it that's for sure. I spent time with my family so that was enjoyable. Again, why do you care? A cada uno lo suyo.

(12-11-2022 11:14 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I didn't waste my time watching it that's for sure. I spent time with my family so that was enjoyable. Again, why do you care? A cada uno lo suyo.

I don't care, I was responding to something you posted here on this message board. Make a big show about not watching the game but then come on here and act all pissy: to each his own is right.

Glad you got some family time.

(12-11-2022 09:22 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We are going to struggle mightily next year running the B12 gauntlet. It's year #2 in the B12 that will preserve or seal his fate. Fans and donors are not going to tolerate 6 years without a NCAA appearance regardless of why or who is at fault. March of 24' Wes will either get the ax or earn an extension.

west virginia is a good example what it is moving to the Big 12 conference a few years ago. WVU was in the upper tier in football and basketball in the big east but they were pretty much in bottom of the pile for a couple of years in the big 12. I think UC will go through the pains also. I think Wes Miller will suceed. Just give him some slack for a couple years or so.

I think WVU was on the downward slide in FB even before they joined the B12 (for full disclosure my cousin played at WVU under Don Nehlen and then a year of Rich Rod). Prior to Dana Holgorson, WVU had good defenses. Neither DH and now Neal Brown emphasize that side of the side of the ball. That has been their Achilles heel the past decade, not a conference move.

With respect to hoops, they were only down in 2012 and 2013, but rebounded quickly in 2014 with a S16 team (and went to the S16 again in 2016 and 2017).

(12-12-2022 09:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 09:22 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-10-2022 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We are going to struggle mightily next year running the B12 gauntlet. It's year #2 in the B12 that will preserve or seal his fate. Fans and donors are not going to tolerate 6 years without a NCAA appearance regardless of why or who is at fault. March of 24' Wes will either get the ax or earn an extension.

west virginia is a good example what it is moving to the Big 12 conference a few years ago. WVU was in the upper tier in football and basketball in the big east but they were pretty much in bottom of the pile for a couple of years in the big 12. I think UC will go through the pains also. I think Wes Miller will suceed. Just give him some slack for a couple years or so.

I think WVU was on the downward slide in FB even before they joined the B12 (for full disclosure my cousin played at WVU under Don Nehlen and then a year of Rich Rod). Prior to Dana Holgorson, WVU had good defenses. Neither DH and now Neal Brown emphasize that side of the side of the ball. That has been their Achilles heel the past decade, not a conference move.

With respect to hoops, they were only down in 2012 and 2013, but rebounded quickly in 2014 with a S16 team (and went to the S16 again in 2016 and 2017).

WVU hoops has been fine. They've had a couple of "down years" but like last year for example they lost 17 times but 14 of those were Q1 losses. They still finished 66 kenpom. The conference just was impossibly deep and they lost a bunch of close games against tournament caliber teams.