(12-04-2022 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As I see it, the USA faces three major problems:

1) The loss of manufacturing to overseas.
2) The threat of China.
3) The ever-growing meddling into every aspect of our private lives by government.

I don't see why republicans can't seem to come up with a coherent policy agenda to address all three.

As president, Trump tackled the first 2 points on your list but IMHO he didn't care about point 3 aside from how gov't tried to personally smear HIM. I think a number of people can tackle the first 2 and the 3rd point much more effectively than Trump. One thing about Trump that no one can take away from him is that he was the only Republican at the time who was concerned with points 1 and 2. I saw nothing from any other Republican from 2000 thru 2016 who gave a **** about China or the loss of U.S. manufacturing.

You can think of him as a Winston Churchill type person who was mostly disliked by the majority for the majority of his time in the public eye until a brief moment where he stood in the breech when others refused to. I'm not saying Trump is a Churchill when it comes to historical accomplishments; however, he was like Churchill in plotting a course of action when no one else at the time seemed to be able to nor want to.

Trump is an untouchable as far as I'm concerned. He's too toxic and now he explicitly calls for suspension of the Constitution for HIM and HE alone. Trump would not ask for anything like this for anyone else who may have been screwed over in a similar way, and we know it. He had his moment and he did tackle the issues that most of us in this country were concerned about but neither Dem nor GOP wanted to touch because they were getting paid off by selling out U.S. manufacturing and giving China special treatment.

The message was received by a large part of the GOP - and a few Dems - and now it's time for Donald to step aside and let other more skilled politicians who know how the swamp works to continue to tackle points 1, 2 and hopefully 3.

(12-05-2022 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  TDS is alive and well I see

The illness runs both ways. If, after reading his latest nonsense, your response is to make excuses for him, or to insist that we should not pay any attention to what he has literally just stated, then you also are suffering from a version of TDS.

The difference is that Trump critics are pretty much willing to acknowledge their affliction. Trump supporters? Not so much.

(12-05-2022 09:09 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  TDS is alive and well I see

The illness runs both ways. If, after reading this latest nonsense, your response is to make excuses for him, or to insist that we should not pay any attention to what he has literally just stated, then you also are suffering from a version of TDS.

The difference is that Trump critics are pretty much willing to acknowledge their affliction. Trump supporters? Not so much.

When have you ever seen me make excuses for him? Ever? I don't give a chit about him one way or the other.

(12-05-2022 09:11 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:09 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  TDS is alive and well I see

The illness runs both ways. If, after reading this latest nonsense, your response is to make excuses for him, or to insist that we should not pay any attention to what he has literally just stated, then you also are suffering from a version of TDS.

The difference is that Trump critics are pretty much willing to acknowledge their affliction. Trump supporters? Not so much.

When have you ever seen me make excuses for him? Ever? I don't give a chit about him one way or the other.

Perhaps I am reading more into your post than I should. But if your response to Donald Trump stating that we should ignore the Constitution is to accuse those who object of suffering from TDS, that sounds just a bit like an excuse.

My apology if I am misunderstanding your position on this.

Me accusing you people of TDS is based on your posting history, not this one issue. EVERY issue that comes up ends with you people screaming "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP".

Y'all just can't see it because of your mental disorder. *shrug*

(12-05-2022 09:33 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Me accusing you people of TDS is based on your posting history, not this one issue. EVERY issue that comes up ends with you people screaming "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP".

That's because every issue that comes up in our country ends with Trump screaming "Trump Trump Trump"...

You on the right are in the drivers seat here, once he is no longer the 2024 GOP frontrunner his rantings will lose relevance and we can all start to treat him like the defeated and broken old man that he is. He can skyscream from Mar-a-Lago all day and night and it won't matter, if he isn't a threat to be the next nominee of one of the two parties that will produce the next POTUS.

Trump is not a defeated and broken old man. He’s a freaking billionaire. He can drop right on out of all this and STILL be a billionaire. What are you? Some peon skyscreaming on a message board.

You people are the defeated and broken ones.

(12-03-2022 01:04 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I can't believe people voted for this UnAmerican grifter on purpose

Why is the left suddenly all about saving the constitution? The D's have wanted it done away with for years. Why the sudden change of heart?

BTW, I think Trump's a moron for even suggesting this. It will no doubt lose him votes.

Trump isn't suggesting anything the D's haven't been trying to do for decades.

(12-05-2022 09:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Trump isn't suggesting anything the D's haven't been trying to do for decades.

Where have the Democrats been calling for the suspension of the Constitution and installation of a President by fiat alone?

And this isnt the only time that Trump has floated the idea of installation of him by fiat. Last time he tried, he simply made the assertion that the Vice President could unilaterally deny elector slates (in violation of the Electoral Counting Act). So he isnt a stranger to 'suspend the Constitution and suspend the law' for his own benefit.

Last time though, the shitbird sparked off a riot to try and get his way, and threw his food on the wall when the calls to other legislators wouldnt buy them to not vote.

So no, this call is not far from what he has actually tried to do before. On the same subject mind you, and the same idea of 'lets just ignore the law and Constitution to do it' mentality.

(12-05-2022 10:17 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Trump isn't suggesting anything the D's haven't been trying to do for decades.

Where have the Democrats been calling for the suspension of the Constitution and installation of a President by fiat alone?

I can't believe you are this obtuse.

(12-05-2022 10:21 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:17 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Trump isn't suggesting anything the D's haven't been trying to do for decades.

Where have the Democrats been calling for the suspension of the Constitution and installation of a President by fiat alone?

I can't believe you are this obtuse.

And this isnt the only time that Trump has floated the idea of installation of him by fiat. Last time he tried, he simply made the assertion that the Vice President could unilaterally deny elector slates (in violation of the Electoral Counting Act). So he isnt a stranger to 'suspend the Constitution and suspend the law' for his own benefit.

Last time though, the shitbird sparked off a riot to try and get his way, and threw his food on the wall when the calls to other legislators wouldnt buy them to not vote.

So no, this call is not far from what he has actually tried to do before. On the same subject mind you, and the same idea of 'lets just ignore the law and Constitution to do it' mentality.

I can actually be specific, as opposed to your gross generalities and general whadabouts on the subject, mind you.

Jaw-dropping garbage from the resident leftists in this thread. It’s incredible actually.
TDS has no cure apparently.

(12-05-2022 10:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Jaw-dropping garbage from the resident leftists in this thread. It’s incredible actually.
TDS has no cure apparently.

I see you are back to your mind numbingly idiotic generalities form of argument. Arent we lucky.

Waaa.... leftists. Waaaa..... TDS. Waaaaa....... whadabout. Waaaa.... ad hom. Waaaa..... election fraud.

Good grief. Criminy, you cant go a half step from that script, can you?

You are the ones constantly whining. Jesus. I would never bring Trump up. You guys do it all day long every day. You're broken and pathetic.

Tanqtonic- You are a one-trick-pony…spewing one sided fiction when the opportunity arises…it’s hilarious actually…how does Trump feel about the second amendment, Ace?

Please shed some leftist light on THAT for us

(12-05-2022 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  You are a one-trick-pony…spewing one sided fiction when the opportunity arises…it’s hilarious actually…how does Trump feel about the second amendment, Ace?

Please shed some leftist light on THAT for us

Lolz. Again, Einstein, not leftist. But please show off that ignorance. Maybe you think if you bleat it enough it becomes truth. Kind of thinking that is your actual mindset and not necessarily being rhetorical above.

Trump is seemingly a pro-Heller viewpoint re: 2nd Amendment. And in my opinion the correct viewpoint, chuckles.

Ill be happy to educate your ignorant brain on my other 'leftist' viewpoints if you wish as well. To short circuit your lame ass stupid mode of attempted ad hom:

Strong textualist in the judiciary.
Strong 10th amendment supporter.
Strong defense
Member of the Federalist society for over thirty years.
Lifetime level membership in NRA.
Strong 2nd Amendment
Strong support of 1st Amendment
Strong law and order

Anything else you want to put on the table, slappy?

(12-05-2022 10:32 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You are the ones constantly whining. Jesus. I would never bring Trump up. You guys do it all day long every day. You're broken and pathetic.

Waaaa..... TDS. Waaaa.... ad hom.

(12-05-2022 10:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  You are a one-trick-pony…spewing one sided fiction when the opportunity arises…it’s hilarious actually…how does Trump feel about the second amendment, Ace?

Please shed some leftist light on THAT for us

Lolz. Again, Einstein, not leftist. But please show off that ignorance. Maybe you think if you bleat it enough it becomes truth. Kind of thinking that is your actual mindset and not necessarily being rhetorical above.

Trump is seemingly a pro-Heller viewpoint re: 2nd Amendment. And in my opinion the correct viewpoint, chuckles.

Ill be happy to educate your ignorant brain on my other 'leftist' viewpoints if you wish as well. To short circuit your lame ass stupid mode of attempted ad hom:

Strong textualist in the judiciary.
Strong 10th amendment supporter.
Strong defense
Member of the Federalist society for over thirty years.
Lifetime level membership in NRA.
Strong 2nd Amendment
Strong support of 1st Amendment
Strong law and order

Anything else you want to put on the table, slappy?

Yeah, put you car keys on the table…your too delusional to drive…

(12-05-2022 10:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  You are a one-trick-pony…spewing one sided fiction when the opportunity arises…it’s hilarious actually…how does Trump feel about the second amendment, Ace?

Please shed some leftist light on THAT for us

Lolz. Again, Einstein, not leftist. But please show off that ignorance. Maybe you think if you bleat it enough it becomes truth. Kind of thinking that is your actual mindset and not necessarily being rhetorical above.

Trump is seemingly a pro-Heller viewpoint re: 2nd Amendment. And in my opinion the correct viewpoint, chuckles.

Ill be happy to educate your ignorant brain on my other 'leftist' viewpoints if you wish as well. To short circuit your lame ass stupid mode of attempted ad hom:

Strong textualist in the judiciary.
Strong 10th amendment supporter.
Strong defense
Member of the Federalist society for over thirty years.
Lifetime level membership in NRA.
Strong 2nd Amendment
Strong support of 1st Amendment
Strong law and order

Anything else you want to put on the table, slappy?

Yeah, put you car keys on the table…your too delusional to drive…

I'll take that as you dont want to put anything else on the table there, chuckles.

You could have just said that.

Or said 'gee, well I guess I was pulling air out of my ass when I was making statements about his being a "leftist" '

Or just not responded.

Instead you do:
Waaaa..... ad hom.

Brilliant. (slow clap)