(12-04-2022 10:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As I see it, the USA faces three major problems:
1) The loss of manufacturing to overseas.
2) The threat of China.
3) The ever-growing meddling into every aspect of our private lives by government.
I don't see why republicans can't seem to come up with a coherent policy agenda to address all three.

When Trump was in office, those issues seemed to be better, certainly 1 and 3. And 2 to some degree.

I agree, which is why I say we need Trump's ideas without Trump's negatives. I don't think he can get 270 EVs if he is the nominee, and if he is not the nominee he will almost certainly mount a third party effort that will hand 2024 to the democrats. After that, it will probably be time to stick a fork in the USA. And as Reagan noted, once the USA is gone, there won't be anywhere else.

Owl69, regarding the green question - too many Republicans quietly support those three things. Very few take a serious stand against those things. They don't play to win; they play to appease. As you have accurately stated - the Dems leadership is committed to winning. An example of of this is the Dems truly dedicated effort to manipulate the vote in the current key swing states. After Trump shocked Hillary in 2016, the Dems committed to NOT losing another Presidential election. I think they will control the White House for the next 8-12 years; enough time to kill the USA.

Regarding the red issue - I am convinced the USA is on the downhill slide due to Biden* (via the Controller's directives) willfully destroying the US economy, allowing the massive invasion at the southern border, openly kowtowing to China, shrugging off the immense crime issues in major cities being ignored, pushing the WOKE agenda in the military, and continuing to allow horrific public education in America. There is more but those are the core deliberate actions to drive the USA down.

(12-04-2022 08:32 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  In short, he is neither stable nor a genius.

He instead appears to be a man on a crusade to bring down this country.

Dude. Come on man, that's insane.

(12-04-2022 08:40 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:32 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  In short, he is neither stable nor a genius.

He instead appears to be a man on a crusade to bring down this country.

Maybe the most laugh out loud ridiculous, hypocrisy filled posts ever on this board.

Coming fromthe person that says, in effect, dont actually read what Trump has written, that is a pretty awesome statement.

Most would say the 'excuse' that you put out to 'not read what the guy just wrote' as a laugh out loud post in a long time.

Great --- then tell us exactly wtf Trump meant to be said when he said that *anything* "allows for termination of all rules ... even those found in Constitution". You have told us to 'ignore it' -- really? That's the defense of the statement. Just ignore it? Seriously?

Just act like nothing happened with a call to ignore the rules in the Constitution? You cannot be serious with this response.

And then you blame Adopted for asking that. And then blame the left for his statement. ('If the spoiled rotten loons on the left had let the man do his job instead of crying for 4 years, this country wouldn’t be at odds. Period.')

This dude, running for President, put out a statement to simply 'terminate' the rules in the Constitution. Remember, a gut running for the Presidency, the person who holds the office has to take an oath to defend the Constitution, is now saying to simply 'terminate the rules' of law. Not just rules of law made under the Constitution, but telling us 'including the constitution'. Ipso facto.

And you are telling us to ignore that. Wow...... I mean, you rip the 'spoiled rotten loons on the left' (which I dont have a problem with), and at the same time are more than willing to accept a statement saying that it is okey dokey to " terminat[e] [] all rules ... even those found in Constitution" simply -- because.

Do you know how hollow your rip of the left looks standing side by side your telling us to ignore the Presidential candidate who has stated an explicit support of ' terminat[ing] [the] rules ... even those found in Constitution'. Wow. Just...... wow.

And even then your whadabouts on 'the left', on name calling Adopted's comments, and not in the least your call to simply ignore it are a defense.
*None* of that is a defense of *any* sort to that statement. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

(12-04-2022 10:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 09:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As I see it, the USA faces three major problems:
1) The loss of manufacturing to overseas.
2) The threat of China.
3) The ever-growing meddling into every aspect of our private lives by government.
I don't see why republicans can't seem to come up with a coherent policy agenda to address all three.

When Trump was in office, those issues seemed to be better, certainly 1 and 3. And 2 to some degree.

I agree, which is why I say we need Trump's ideas without Trump's negatives. I don't think he can get 270 EVs if he is the nominee, and if he is not the nominee he will almost certainly mount a third party effort that will hand 2024 to the democrats. After that, it will probably be time to stick a fork in the USA. And as Reagan noted, once the USA is gone, there won't be anywhere else.

To the bolded -- spot on #s.

The problem is Trump is simply a cancer. To whatever he is around.

A cancer to whatever he is around? Maybe to people as short sighted as you.

It could be argued that he’s one of the most accomplished individuals in American history.
Immensely successful business mogul, successful television personality with a hit show for several years, the President of the United States…He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

But those mean tweets…oooooooohhhhhhhh…

(12-05-2022 12:12 AM)450bench Wrote:  A cancer to whatever he is around? Maybe to people as short sighted as you.

It could be argued that he’s one of the most accomplished individuals in American history.
Immensely successful business mogul, successful television personality with a hit show for several years, the President of the United States…He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

But those mean tweets…oooooooohhhhhhhh…

Goes well beyond mean tweets, dude. But, please -- try to generalize to absurdity. You are somewhat accomplished at that.

I dont give a rat's ass about mean tweets. Many dont.

Having a president who understand wtf the Constitution is and doesnt take a piss on it for his own betterment and own goal would be the base I would be looking for.

And -- apparently the shitbird thinks the Constitution -- at least the portions that he thinks are problematic to his regaining his Gollum ring -- should be terminated. The shitbird either doesnt know, or doesnt care, what the Constitution is. Both are problematic.

But, in response, all you can do in this is give generalized garbage about 'libs throwing tantrums', blaming this thing on libs who got in his way, ripped on Adopted for taking an anti-Trump stand, tell us to simply ignore his statement, at present call me 'short sighted', and also at present try to blame everything on 'mean tweets'.

Good grief. I mean you have done *everything* to do a short tango shuffle with anything *except* actually address specifically what he has said. You really need to try some new stuff once in a while.

What is going to be your next deflection?

Even when I don't agree with Trump, like now.....I'm still amazed at how completely insane a simple tweet from him can drive such a large portion of the population on both sides.

I don't think there has ever been an American politician with this much power over people's emotions and mental states.

He has literally driven so many people on both sides complete insane on a level never before seen in our history. And at the same time he was an incredibly effective POTUS, one of the best in my lifetime.

Quote:He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

Trump University -- quite the success story. How many fraud suits there?

Trump Airlines -- another smashing success.

Trump Wine. A collector's item (for all the wring reasons).

A guy famous for stiffing just about *anyone* who he or his organizations have a contract with. Yeah, another indicia of success.

Lets stop and count the Chapter 11s and Chapter 7s the prick has filed.

Trump vodka. Oh, there is a world class venture....

Trump Mortgage. Hey, he self-predicted it would soon be the #1 lender in the US when he launched it in April 2006. Lasted just at a year.

Trump the Board Game -- nuff said.

Trump clothing brand -- lolz -- made in China. And that which wasnt made in China made in Bangladesh.

Trump casinos -- they were successful at filing Chapter 11s. Did it three times. Pretty hard feat to accomplish.

Trump Steakhouse --- closed for 51 health code violations.

Trump Steaks (delivered) -- hah!!!

Trump Magazine -- lasted about a year.

Truth Social -- well, just read about the SEC violations on the SPAC. In addition, the SPAC bolted and Trump (true to form) is leaving investors high and dry and stiffing vendors. Not to mention losing a quarter of the page views month over month between October to November.

So, do you really want to talk about "ris[ing] to the top in just about everything he's wanted to do"?

Tanqtonic- I said you were intelligent….I was wrong….

Billionaire, television star, President of the United Stares…Again, one of the most successful Americans to ever live…to say the man isn’t, is absurd…almost as absurd as your argument

(12-05-2022 01:41 AM)450bench Wrote:  Tanqtonic- I said you were intelligent….I was wrong….

Billionaire, television star, President of the United Stares…Again, one of the most successful Americans to ever live…to say the man isn’t, is absurd…almost as absurd as your argument

Im responding to your idiotic statement that "He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do." I quoted it directly, now you deflect and go into ad hom mode. Fing typical.

I respond you your statement how he has succeeded at everything he has done, and in response to facts to the contrary you make whiny little pouty personal aside. Good job there sparky.

I put put a dozen or so things where he has grifted the hell out of investors and fallen flat on his face. Want me to list the dozens of bankruptcies, or from the literally thousands of lawsuits from people he has stiffed and defrauded?

You respond with a whiny personal comment and then change your schtick line and story. Next time read your own flipping posts before you try to change your two step schtick and deflection, sparkles. Geezus H Krist on a cracker.

Kind of all you have done in response to his comment on the Constitution, so I guess I shouldnt be surprised. I mean you havent addressed anything directly yet tonight, so why would I think you would here. Lolz.

(12-05-2022 12:12 AM)450bench Wrote:  A cancer to whatever he is around? Maybe to people as short sighted as you.

It could be argued that he’s one of the most accomplished individuals in American history.
Immensely successful business mogul, successful television personality with a hit show for several years, the President of the United States…He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

But those mean tweets…oooooooohhhhhhhh…

I don’t think of Donald Trump as a cancer. I think of him as a form of substance abuse.

Like any alcoholic or narcotics addict, America got an initial boost from Donald Trump. He was exciting. He was cool. He was in-your-face dismissive of all the prudish political know-it-alls.

But, also like alcohol or narcotics, he was also very bad for us long term. And for some of us, he is very difficult (if not impossible) to quit.

(12-04-2022 06:14 PM)450bench Wrote:  Trump was a great President and if he’s the Republican nominee I’ll vote for him again.

You liberals are nuts and do not need to be in charge of anything. Ever. You people are doing your best to ruin this country. We simply can’t let that happen.

Like I said, we don't need a Dictator in cheif when he demonized a certain groups of people when they are not the ones causing issues. There are bad apples yes, but you can't paint them all bad people when only a handful are bad.

That said, the number of fraudulant votes is a lot less than what Trump is claiming. It is not a mass voting fraud. People voted for a stable government which we are having after 4 years of a chaotic President that is trying to destroy everything we have built for our freedom. Trump was drunk on power, and he was using that power to dictate things which out country is not run that way. The Republicans took more power away from the President after FDR. FDR was one of our last great President that led us through the Great Depression, and War World 2. Trump is ranked as Number 1 worst President our country ever had.

(12-04-2022 07:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:21 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:56 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Down this road again I see. You addressed my comment in particular, using the same verbiage. Apparently once again you failed to notice that. Lolz.

And yes, calling for the explicit broad rollback of the Constitution is a temper tantrum. One huge mongo temper tantrum. What do you call it?

What do YOU call it when your fellow libs do the same?

Funny, I guess you dont read very well either. Not a lib here.

Might want to put it back in your pants and try again later in a more accurate manner.

I keep seeing you say you're not a lib, always followed by a spew of lib talk. If it walks like a duck......

I don’t recall seeing tanqtonic commenting on the Schiff lies or anything related to the fake/fraudulent charges leading to the failed impeachments of the President. Maybe I missed that. If he’s so DOWN THE MIDDLE.

Trump was Impeached Twice. Johnson was impeached. Nixon was heading down that road himself. Clinton was going down that road himself, but some Republicans say not to at the time because the country was running better for the Middle Class, and it could destroy their party then.

(12-05-2022 06:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 12:12 AM)450bench Wrote:  A cancer to whatever he is around? Maybe to people as short sighted as you.

It could be argued that he’s one of the most accomplished individuals in American history.
Immensely successful business mogul, successful television personality with a hit show for several years, the President of the United States…He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

But those mean tweets…oooooooohhhhhhhh…

I don’t think of Donald Trump as a cancer. I think of him as a form of substance abuse.

Like any alcoholic or narcotics addict, America got an initial boost from Donald Trump. He was exciting. He was cool. He was in-your-face dismissive of all the prudish political know-it-alls.

But, also like alcohol or narcotics, he was also very bad for us long term. And for some of us, he is very difficult (if not impossible) to quit.

OK, how was he bad?

(12-05-2022 07:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:21 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:56 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  What do YOU call it when your fellow libs do the same?

Funny, I guess you dont read very well either. Not a lib here.

Might want to put it back in your pants and try again later in a more accurate manner.

I keep seeing you say you're not a lib, always followed by a spew of lib talk. If it walks like a duck......

I don’t recall seeing tanqtonic commenting on the Schiff lies or anything related to the fake/fraudulent charges leading to the failed impeachments of the President. Maybe I missed that. If he’s so DOWN THE MIDDLE.

Trump was Impeached Twice. Johnson was impeached. Nixon was heading down that road himself. Clinton was going down that road himself, but some Republicans say not to at the time because the country was running better for the Middle Class, and it could destroy their party then.

But not convicted in that sham of an impeachment. You will swallow anything the media and the dims tell you.

(12-04-2022 08:29 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I am seriously beginning to wonder whether Trump is a paid operative of the Democratic Party. I don’t know how else to explain the profound damage he is inflicting on the conservative cause and the GOP.

It’s pretty hard to explain Donald Trump’s behavior over the past year without resorting to hyperbole.

I cannot fathom that he is a paid mole of the Democrat Party. That just doesn’t add up.

But the only other possible explanation that I can come up with is that he is experiencing a psychotic break from reality. It would explain the lashing out, such as this latest nonstarter suggestion that he be re-installed as president or that the nation undertake a do-over election. It would also explain Ivanka’s recent disavowing of his 2024 adventure.

Trump donated money to the Clintons. Is that enough proof that he empowered Hillary Clinton to run for office? He saw the power she would yield, and picked a winner. When she lost to Obama? He was a sore loser, and went after her right then and there, and went Independent. Trump backed her for President in 2008. Look at her campaign tried to spread lies about Obama in 2008 and then tried to spread lies about Sanders in 2016? They rigged it so Hillary won't lose the second time for her to get the nomination. It would have been Trump vs Sanders in 2016, and Trump may have lose to Sanders then. They both were outsiders trying to shake things up.

Some of you are like the movie Brokeback Mountain when it comes to Trump. What does it take to you to let you see that he is a very crooked man for a very long time? He evaded paying taxes? He evicts old ladies from their homes so that he can build very expensive buildings. Stiff paying workers who build projects for him. Deal with the mafia buying cement and all that. The list goes on and on. His known issues have been dated since the 80w, and it was brought him years and years ago before he ever ran for President. That was when he was friends with the Clintons, and he invited them to his wedding, and donated to them. I saw a conspiracy theory that He was on the same plane with Bill Clinton going to the Epsyien's island to hook up with underage girls. This was in 2005 that I saw it. Once he turned on the Clintons? His name disappeared from the conspiracy theories about it. Yes, Trump was friend with that pedo Epstien.

(12-05-2022 07:34 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 06:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 12:12 AM)450bench Wrote:  A cancer to whatever he is around? Maybe to people as short sighted as you.

It could be argued that he’s one of the most accomplished individuals in American history.
Immensely successful business mogul, successful television personality with a hit show for several years, the President of the United States…He’s risen to the very top of pretty much everything he’s wanted to do.

But those mean tweets…oooooooohhhhhhhh…

I don’t think of Donald Trump as a cancer. I think of him as a form of substance abuse.

Like any alcoholic or narcotics addict, America got an initial boost from Donald Trump. He was exciting. He was cool. He was in-your-face dismissive of all the prudish political know-it-alls.

But, also like alcohol or narcotics, he was also very bad for us long term. And for some of us, he is very difficult (if not impossible) to quit.

OK, how was he bad?

Absurdly hyperbolic policy promises ("Mexico will pay for the wall.")
Hiring/retaining sycophants; dismissing those who told it to him straight.
Covid lockdowns.
Constitutional ignorance (Pence can overrule the Electoral College).
Withholding political support from those who do not kiss his ass.
Blaming others for his own shortcomings.

This is not an exclusive list.

Bonus Quote of the Day
December 5, 2022 at 7:45 am EST By Taegan Goddard 30 Comments

“I hate to inform the former president, the Constitution is not like a spouse. You can’t just get rid of it when it no longer suits your purposes.”

— GOP strategist Alice Stewart, on CNN.

https://politicalwire.com/2022/12/05/bon...-day-1746/

TDS is alive and well I see