(12-02-2022 09:34 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:00 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  It's about positioning themselves for that next opening. Or two or four.
Everyone seems to forget that the pac will expand by likely two maybe more. Also Cusa will likely go to 12 and it won't be 5 years from now. It'll be a lot sooner. I'm guessing at least 2 by 2025. If I were EKU I'd be very visible about where I'm at and how ready I am. It looks like there may be some competition for their spot.

Absolutely it's about positioning. Who would blame EKU or SFA or anyone for taking an invite to CUSA? I wouldn't.

But, here's the thing, these schools also aren't sitting idle biding their time for some potential invite. They are being aggressive in the wild west of college realignment. It's a bold plan but the WAC has a young, connected commissioner. He worked at the NCAA head office and I don't think this is smoke being blown.

Sure. This could all be shut down and laughed at in the future but right now, I'm intrigued by these bold moves in the new college athletics landscape.

That said, I'm not sure UNA is anywhere near being ready for any of this! Yet, I think we're about to make a solid hire and announce a new stadium project. So, who knows?

The pandemic worked a number on college sports. The portal, NIL, realignment. It's complete madness.

I kinda love it.

This is also why I said "EKU you better be on the look out before you lose out on that 11th/12th spot." Because to your point "these schools also aren't sitting idle biding their time for some potential invite." You have to be at a curtain point to get the invite

It's starting to feel like cliques in high school a bit as I hear it unfold. The WAC/ASUN teams are mad at the schools that accepted the CUSA invites and aren't interested now in following them to CUSA. Yet, I'm sure they'd all accept an invite. So, it's messy.

EKU (and Matt Brown) think WKU blocked them from CUSA and KSU got the invite instead.

APSU feels like UNA, UCA, EKU, and JSU lured them to the ASUN and then Jax State and KSU left before they even got in the door.

SFA's coach basically said that SHSU jumped the gun and went against their plan to go FBS as a conference.

Are these bridges on fire, burning, burned down? Who knows?

Yes it is feeling cliquish

KSU was C-USA top target not EKU. According to Matt Brown KSU was the top of the list since the spring.

The whole WAC/Asun FBS won't work out for the same reason Asun fcs isn't working out. Schools would be foolish to turn down an offer from any existing conference if your intention is to be FBS.
Realignment isn't done and two to four more of these schools will be invited to a conference before the WAC/Asun thing can happen.
Let's say it did happen. These same schools would jump ship to join a conference a rung above the one they're in.

As for EKU it may well be as simply a matter of markets.
KSU. Atlanta market. 7
Jax State Bham market 45 also the
No1 college football market
Shsu. Houston 8

EKU. Lexington 63

unalions (post#20)-- " SFA's coach said that SHSU jumped the gun and went against their plan to go FBS as a conference".

The reason SHSU "jumped the gun" was that they could see no FBS pathway thru the new fcs WACsun. Reality.

(12-02-2022 09:00 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  It's about positioning themselves for that next opening. Or two or four.
Everyone seems to forget that the pac will expand by likely two maybe more. Also Cusa will likely go to 12 and it won't be 5 years from now. It'll be a lot sooner. I'm guessing at least 2 by 2025. If I were EKU I'd be very visible about where I'm at and how ready I am. It looks like there may be some competition for their spot.

AGREED. Peay is JOSTLING for position. Making noise. Getting attention. Trying to raise fan support and money.

At the worst--after they have made some improvements-but get turned down...

AD can say-- "Hey, we tried, we'll be more prepared for the next round, etc., or MT blocked us, etc..

At the best-- they impress and get added to the MA... uhhhh- C-USA.

Glad we got a spot on the lifeboat before the ship started to sink.

(12-03-2022 08:42 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Glad we got a spot on the lifeboat before the ship started to sink.

Oh, your ship could still be sinking. Lol.

We’ll see what the Transformation Committee comes up with.

I think that’s the scariest part of all of this. Schools can break their necks to be FBS and it could all be for naught if the committee decides on different criteria for the division that many schools don’t meet.

From this article in October:

"There's been a lot of frustration that there's no membership standards or expectations -- that we don't know for sure what being a future D-I member is going to be," a commissioner told CBS Sports.

Another commissioner of a one-bid league expressed vexation over how long this rollout of change is taking.

"The committee is focused on things like bracket expansion, taking a recommendation all sports go to 25% of their current membership," he said. "But I'm more worried at the moment about membership requirements to know if I'll ever have certain members in my conference."

Said another source of trying to govern all D-I sports under the same set of rules: "We are too large."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ments/amp/

I don't think anyone will be kicked out of FBS. Any move in that direction would quickly be followed by a antitrust lawsuit.

I think there will be lot of lawsuits either way.

If JSU is kicked out we will have a boatful of others joining us.

Look across the landscape of G5 and you see several schools with no more or even less to offer than EKU, TUNA, AP, SFA and others. This is why these schools want to move to FBS. I hope all of them are successful in joining FBS even letting the WAC and ASUN come as a conference.

(12-03-2022 12:14 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  The whole WAC/Asun FBS won't work out for the same reason Asun fcs isn't working out. Schools would be foolish to turn down an offer from any existing conference if your intention is to be FBS.
Realignment isn't done and two to four more of these schools will be invited to a conference before the WAC/Asun thing can happen.
Let's say it did happen. These same schools would jump ship to join a conference a rung above the one they're in.

As for EKU it may well be as simply a matter of markets.
KSU. Atlanta market. 7
Jax State Bham market 45 also the
No1 college football market
Shsu. Houston 8

EKU. Lexington 63

And UNA is in the Huntsville market... Huntsville is now the biggest city and market in Alabama. UNA is also the fastest growing University in the state.

Quote:EKU. Lexington 63

EKU sits with a very close distance of several markets, though, and we have significant alumni bases in all of them. We're in the Lexington market, but we'll generate as much interest in Louisville as KSU does in Atlanta (less than 90 minutes away from Louisville). We're also a similar distance from Cincinnati.

What's more...if we're talking about C-USA in particular, Louisville sits almost perfectly in the middle between EKU and WKU, so the amount of actual, tangible C-USA interest generated there with the rivalry would be potentially larger than anything else we're talking about. There are a lot of different ways to measure your impact in a market and what it gets you, so there's reasonable room to disagree here, but EKU's geography is not as bad as it seems. We're surrounded by multiple heavily populated areas.

As fun as it is to have a rivalry in a home stadium, I've always thought a WKU/EKU game in Louisville either full-time or once every three years could be pretty incredible. If you promoted it well, I bet you could get 30,000 + in Cardinal Stadium for that one.

(12-03-2022 12:32 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:14 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  The whole WAC/Asun FBS won't work out for the same reason Asun fcs isn't working out. Schools would be foolish to turn down an offer from any existing conference if your intention is to be FBS.
Realignment isn't done and two to four more of these schools will be invited to a conference before the WAC/Asun thing can happen.
Let's say it did happen. These same schools would jump ship to join a conference a rung above the one they're in.

As for EKU it may well be as simply a matter of markets.
KSU. Atlanta market. 7
Jax State Bham market 45 also the
No1 college football market
Shsu. Houston 8

EKU. Lexington 63

And UNA is in the Huntsville market... Huntsville is now the biggest city and market in Alabama. UNA is also the fastest growing University in the state.

The Huntsville market is no. 81

(12-03-2022 01:43 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:EKU. Lexington 63

EKU sits with a very close distance of several markets, though, and we have significant alumni bases in all of them. We're in the Lexington market, but we'll generate as much interest in Louisville as KSU does in Atlanta (less than 90 minutes away from Louisville). We're also a similar distance from Cincinnati.

What's more...if we're talking about C-USA in particular, Louisville sits almost perfectly in the middle between EKU and WKU, so the amount of actual, tangible C-USA interest generated there with the rivalry would be potentially larger than anything else we're talking about. There are a lot of different ways to measure your impact in a market and what it gets you, so there's reasonable room to disagree here, but EKU's geography is not as bad as it seems. We're surrounded by multiple heavily populated areas.

As fun as it is to have a rivalry in a home stadium, I've always thought a WKU/EKU game in Louisville either full-time or once every three years could be pretty incredible. If you promoted it well, I bet you could get 30,000 + in Cardinal Stadium for that one.

For media deal purposes it doesn't matter what your media market is near.
For example Jax State is less than 35 miles of the Atlanta market. But we are in the Birmingham market.

(12-03-2022 09:30 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 08:42 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Glad we got a spot on the lifeboat before the ship started to sink.

Oh, your ship could still be sinking. Lol.

We’ll see what the Transformation Committee comes up with.

I think that’s the scariest part of all of this. Schools can break their necks to be FBS and it could all be for naught if the committee decides on different criteria for the division that many schools don’t meet.

From this article in October:

"There's been a lot of frustration that there's no membership standards or expectations -- that we don't know for sure what being a future D-I member is going to be," a commissioner told CBS Sports.

Another commissioner of a one-bid league expressed vexation over how long this rollout of change is taking.

"The committee is focused on things like bracket expansion, taking a recommendation all sports go to 25% of their current membership," he said. "But I'm more worried at the moment about membership requirements to know if I'll ever have certain members in my conference."

Said another source of trying to govern all D-I sports under the same set of rules: "We are too large."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ments/amp/

This post is sounding

(12-03-2022 01:43 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:EKU. Lexington 63

EKU sits with a very close distance of several markets, though, and we have significant alumni bases in all of them. We're in the Lexington market, but we'll generate as much interest in Louisville as KSU does in Atlanta (less than 90 minutes away from Louisville). We're also a similar distance from Cincinnati.

What's more...if we're talking about C-USA in particular, Louisville sits almost perfectly in the middle between EKU and WKU, so the amount of actual, tangible C-USA interest generated there with the rivalry would be potentially larger than anything else we're talking about. There are a lot of different ways to measure your impact in a market and what it gets you, so there's reasonable room to disagree here, but EKU's geography is not as bad as it seems. We're surrounded by multiple heavily populated areas.

As fun as it is to have a rivalry in a home stadium, I've always thought a WKU/EKU game in Louisville either full-time or once every three years could be pretty incredible. If you promoted it well, I bet you could get 30,000 + in Cardinal Stadium for that one.

KSU is a large well known school in Atlanta. Remember KSU is a popular school within its own state than KSU is within its on state.

(12-03-2022 07:06 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 09:30 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 08:42 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Glad we got a spot on the lifeboat before the ship started to sink.

Oh, your ship could still be sinking. Lol.

We’ll see what the Transformation Committee comes up with.

I think that’s the scariest part of all of this. Schools can break their necks to be FBS and it could all be for naught if the committee decides on different criteria for the division that many schools don’t meet.

From this article in October:

"There's been a lot of frustration that there's no membership standards or expectations -- that we don't know for sure what being a future D-I member is going to be," a commissioner told CBS Sports.

Another commissioner of a one-bid league expressed vexation over how long this rollout of change is taking.

"The committee is focused on things like bracket expansion, taking a recommendation all sports go to 25% of their current membership," he said. "But I'm more worried at the moment about membership requirements to know if I'll ever have certain members in my conference."

Said another source of trying to govern all D-I sports under the same set of rules: "We are too large."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ments/amp/

This post is sounding

Info in the main body of this post is a little old. Newer stories tell of greatly watered down proposals. Main focus will be requirement for mental health counselors, better nutrition, and other student athlete focused changes. There will be increased costs but nothing to force anyone to leave D1-- although it could cause 2 or 3 schools (out of the 364) to consider a move down.

Things are changing so fast in college sports right now that any story over two weeks old may be "dated".

As soon as you have a handle on what is going on--- it changes again.

Quote:KSU is a large well known school in Atlanta. Remember KSU is a popular school within its own state than KSU is within its on state.

Jones, what in the H:ll are you taking about?!

(12-02-2022 06:16 PM)jones682 Wrote:  AP would have to increases their budget if they want to move up. Their current budget is 14M. You cannot just move up by the way. A conference would have to invite you. AP is just putting themselves in the proposition for the 11th or 12th spot for C-USA. 2025 is questionable because C-USA will not expand anytime soon and the media deal last for 5 years. EKU you better be on the look out before you lose out on that 11th/12th spot.

So much of what is posted here about moving up to FBS is not factual... The WAC can certainly move to FBS as a conference with 8 members because they were an FBS conference when they dropped football due to insufficient membership after being rated primarily by the MW.

Liberty moved to FBS level as an independent without an FBS conferees invitation.

(12-03-2022 08:38 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 06:16 PM)jones682 Wrote:  AP would have to increases their budget if they want to move up. Their current budget is 14M. You cannot just move up by the way. A conference would have to invite you. AP is just putting themselves in the proposition for the 11th or 12th spot for C-USA. 2025 is questionable because C-USA will not expand anytime soon and the media deal last for 5 years. EKU you better be on the look out before you lose out on that 11th/12th spot.

So much of what is posted here about moving up to FBS is not factual... The WAC can certainly move to FBS as a conference with 8 members because they were an FBS conference when they dropped football due to insufficient membership after being (raided) primarily by the MW.

Liberty moved to FBS level as an independent without an FBS (conference) invitation.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

(12-03-2022 08:38 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 06:16 PM)jones682 Wrote:  AP would have to increases their budget if they want to move up. Their current budget is 14M. You cannot just move up by the way. A conference would have to invite you. AP is just putting themselves in the proposition for the 11th or 12th spot for C-USA. 2025 is questionable because C-USA will not expand anytime soon and the media deal last for 5 years. EKU you better be on the look out before you lose out on that 11th/12th spot.

So much of what is posted here about moving up to FBS is not factual... The WAC can certainly move to FBS as a conference with 8 members because they were an FBS conference when they dropped football due to insufficient membership after being rated primarily by the MW.

Liberty moved to FBS level as an independent without an FBS conferees invitation.

This is not the COMPLETE story. It is NOWHERE near that simple.

The problem on these boards is that once the NCAA requirements get posted--- someone else comes along days later and makes a GENERAL statement like this which is partially true-- but does not give the crucial details. These details are what make/break some of these incomplete assertions various posters make.


THEN a statement like the one above in post #38 is taken out of context and used a "proof" by someone else.

Also--using LIBERTY as an example is silly-- do ANY teams in the WAC or ASUN have that kind of MONEY?