(01-29-2023 11:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  In the end the entire “transitioning” set of restrictions set by the NCAA seems rather like a farce to me.

In theory, the whole point of the transition time period is to allow transitioning schools to compete against other FBS teams prior to meeting all the criteria as a full FBS member.

When you already meet those criteria, then I agree it’s pointless. The post season ban sort of accomplishes two things:

1) prevents a school from having 85 scholarships and unfairly competing against other FCS schools for a national title in year 1.
2) prevents a school from playing less than the normal FBS schedule (say 6 FCS teams and 6 FBS teams) and becoming bowl eligible. Or not having met other FBS criteria.

Outside of that, there really isn’t a valid purpose to doing this, which is why our application/waiver should be granted. We met FBS qualifications in year 1.

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

I'm sure JMU will do everything possible to distance themselves from the Softies and JSU.

SHSU played only 1 FBS school, along with a non schollie Davidson- hardly "a mix of FBS-FCS teams".
Same for JSU- they also only played 1 FBS school, along with Tex A&M Commerce who was in their 1st year of FCS ball.
Again, both schools were playing the exact type of schedule they played when they were FCS. These schools should not even be in the same conversation.

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I'm sure JMU will do everything possible to distance themselves from the Softies and JSU.

SHSU played only 1 FBS school along with a non schollie Davidson- hardly "a mix of FBS-FCS teams".
Same for JSU- they also only played 1 FBS school, along with Tex A&M Commerce who was in their 1st year of FCS ball.
Again, both schools were playing the exact type of schedule they played when they were FCS. These schools should not even be in the same conversation.

Even this year SHSU really only has 4 FBS home games (MTSU, UTEP, FIU, JSU). I'm sure they are trying to count Air Force as a home game, even though the game is being played at Houston's field. It would be like us counting FedEx vs WVU as a home game.

With 3 of those 4 home games on Wednesdays and Thursday in Sept/Oct against crap teams, I doubt they get anything approaching 15k attendance either. Thanksgiving weekend with MTSU is the only true home FBS game they get on a Saturday.

CUSA =

(01-30-2023 02:22 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I'm sure JMU will do everything possible to distance themselves from the Softies and JSU.

SHSU played only 1 FBS school along with a non schollie Davidson- hardly "a mix of FBS-FCS teams".
Same for JSU- they also only played 1 FBS school, along with Tex A&M Commerce who was in their 1st year of FCS ball.
Again, both schools were playing the exact type of schedule they played when they were FCS. These schools should not even be in the same conversation.

Even this year SHSU really only has 4 FBS home games (MTSU, UTEP, FIU, JSU). I'm sure they are trying to count Air Force as a home game, even though the game is being played at Houston's field. It would be like us counting FedEx vs WVU as a home game.

With 3 of those 4 home games on Wednesdays and Thursday in Sept/Oct against crap teams, I doubt they get anything approaching 15k attendance either. Thanksgiving weekend with MTSU is the only true home FBS game they get on a Saturday.

CUSA =

The fact that they aren't trying to appeal for full FBS status I think is a sign they aren't counting AF. Even on their website the AF game is marked grey like the other away games.
The fact is that they didn't do what we were able to do... get 5 FBS home games.
IMO, Sam Houston is the reason the transition is what it is. They clearly are not ready for it, but are doing it anyway.
Meanwhile, we have everything that could be asked of us.
The fate of SHSU/KSU is going to be either a perennial bottom 10 team or have to go back to FCS in the next 10 years or so.

the transition rules are stupid. they should be completely done away with today.

there are other requirements in place to prevent a school moving up from gaming the system, which is why any of these rules were put into place to begin with.

1) You must have 5 FBS home games
2) (this is the big one) you must have at least 6 wins with only ONE FCS win allowed to count toward the six.
3) You must be invited by an existing FBS conference to move up

the 2nd point is why this transition period should go away permanently.

If you can win the same number of FBS games as any other FBS program, that is required for bowl eligibility, you should get bowl eligibility. period.

if Sam Houston is not good enough...they won't win enough FBS games to qualify. So why should it matter?

if Sam Houston wants to take their time on transition and schedule half FBS games and FCS games, so be it. They won't meet requirement #2 that is already in place and not be eligible.

if a school gets invited and is moving up and wants to be like JMU and play 10 FBS and 1 FCS games in Year 1, go for it ! They will still need to prove themselves worthy on the field and get at least 5 FBS wins. And if they do....bowl eligible! period.

stupid rule. should be gone today and forever....as long as the other three rules are in place.

Mods, can we re-do this thread since it's been taken over by a different conversation? Also possibly to re-title it for which sport we're talking about (i.e., 2023 Football Roster)?

(01-31-2023 08:46 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the transition rules are stupid. they should be completely done away with today.

there are other requirements in place to prevent a school moving up from gaming the system, which is why any of these rules were put into place to begin with.

1) You must have 5 FBS home games
2) (this is the big one) you must have at least 6 wins with only ONE FCS win allowed to count toward the six.
3) You must be invited by an existing FBS conference to move up

the 2nd point is why this transition period should go away permanently.

If you can win the same number of FBS games as any other FBS program, that is required for bowl eligibility, you should get bowl eligibility. period.

if Sam Houston is not good enough...they won't win enough FBS games to qualify. So why should it matter?

if Sam Houston wants to take their time on transition and schedule half FBS games and FCS games, so be it. They won't meet requirement #2 that is already in place and not be eligible.

if a school gets invited and is moving up and wants to be like JMU and play 10 FBS and 1 FCS games in Year 1, go for it ! They will still need to prove themselves worthy on the field and get at least 5 FBS wins. And if they do....bowl eligible! period.

stupid rule. should be gone today and forever....as long as the other three rules are in place.

Only one aspect of the transition rules should remain. Once a team announces a reclassification, they should be ineligible for the FCS playoffs. That part makes perfect sense, because at a minimum, that team has a recruiting advantage of other FCS schools. That advantage is even more pronounced now with the portal.

The rest of the transition rules pertaining to bowl eligibility need to go.

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Agreed! Would be nice to get payback for that freak game that spun their way.

(01-31-2023 10:01 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  Only one aspect of the transition rules should remain. Once a team announces a reclassification, they should be ineligible for the FCS playoffs. That part makes perfect sense, because at a minimum, that team has a recruiting advantage of other FCS schools. That advantage is even more pronounced now with the portal.

I might be understanding you wrong, but I believe this would have made JMU ineligible in 2021. But JMU would have had no recruiting advantage in the playoffs, since their announcement was in October.

(01-31-2023 03:41 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:01 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  Only one aspect of the transition rules should remain. Once a team announces a reclassification, they should be ineligible for the FCS playoffs. That part makes perfect sense, because at a minimum, that team has a recruiting advantage of other FCS schools. That advantage is even more pronounced now with the portal.

I might be understanding you wrong, but I believe this would have made JMU ineligible in 2021. But JMU would have had no recruiting advantage in the playoffs, since their announcement was in October.

Yeah, it should stay that mid-season announcements don't disqualify. Preseason still should.

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

(02-01-2023 02:18 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

What would SHSU use to pay JMU for a home game? SHSU doesn’t have any money, and using indentured servants and prostitution is illegal.

JMU will schedule the Dallas Cowboys before the Dukes ever play SHSU again on their field.

(02-01-2023 02:18 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

Schools pay other schools and make up for it with gate proceeds and concessions, that doesn’t apply here. My high school played in a bigger stadium and had more in attendance. They got lucky hosting us in the playoffs, they ain’t paying us to come out to their D3 setup.

(02-01-2023 04:49 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 02:18 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

What would SHSU use to pay JMU for a home game? SHSU doesn’t have any money, and using indentured servants and prostitution is illegal.

JMU will schedule the Dallas Cowboys before the Dukes ever play SHSU again on their field.

They had zero business hosting a game that spring.
I hope that school rots into obscurity forever. Nothing would please me more than to see them 0-12 year after year after year.

Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

(02-01-2023 06:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

Have a feeling a lot of schools feel that way, and will take the easy FBS win at home. They won't struggle to get away games.

I'd prefer to schedule a little stronger than that to help SOS and CFP odds. Scheduling weak is the liberty path now.

(01-31-2023 06:15 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 03:41 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:01 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  Only one aspect of the transition rules should remain. Once a team announces a reclassification, they should be ineligible for the FCS playoffs. That part makes perfect sense, because at a minimum, that team has a recruiting advantage of other FCS schools. That advantage is even more pronounced now with the portal.

I might be understanding you wrong, but I believe this would have made JMU ineligible in 2021. But JMU would have had no recruiting advantage in the playoffs, since their announcement was in October.

Yeah, it should stay that mid-season announcements don't disqualify. Preseason still should.

The rule is if you announce before (believe its June 1), you are ineligible for that upcoming seasons playoffs as long as remain no more than 63 schollies.. Announce on/after June 1, you can still compete in that upcoming season’s playoffs.

JMU didn’t announce till early Nov, so were good to go.

We were discussing the poster’s proposed rule, not the one that’s on the books.