Liberty will have ended up paying Hugh Freeze all this money and he didn't take them anywhere.

I would have liked Cadillac being given an opportunity. He seems to have reinvigorated the team and has shown immense passion in the role. If you gave him an experienced former head coach as an an assistant head coach, I think he could have done well.

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

He gone!
You can see it in his demeanor
and in the team play.

Thanks coach for the good run!

(11-26-2022 02:17 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Liberty will have ended up paying Hugh Freeze all this money and he didn't take them anywhere.

...I'll give him credit for securing them a spot in C-USA (which may well be parlayed into an SBC or even AAC gig not so far down the road, IF they maintain their success)... I know Liberty is a whole different animal which is shunned by many, but success makes for strange er, bedfellows, for lack of a better phrase ...I know that we Blazer fans aren't wanting to see them across the field anytime soon...

Liberty is getting hammered by NMSU. You can be sure Freeze has a foot out the door.

(11-26-2022 02:29 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Liberty is getting hammered by NMSU. You can be sure Freeze has a foot out the door.

And I seriously heard a few weeks ago that Liberty was a top 25 team.

(11-26-2022 02:25 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:17 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Liberty will have ended up paying Hugh Freeze all this money and he didn't take them anywhere.

...I'll give him credit for securing them a spot in C-USA (which may well be parlayed into an SBC or even AAC gig not so far down the road, IF they maintain their success)... I know Liberty is a whole different animal which is shunned by many, but success makes for strange er, bedfellows, for lack of a better phrase ...I know that we Blazer fans aren't wanting to see them across the field anytime soon...

CUSA would have taken Liberty even if they were 2-10 every year. They took NMSU, those standards aren’t high. Freeze didn’t get them into CUSA. SBC and AAC raids did.

Way I understood Kiffin is inking a big extension with the Rebearandsharks

Kinda surprised by both parties involved, though probably Auburn a little more than Freeze. He performed well at Ole Miss, but the way he went out I would have thought no one in the SEC would touch him. And with Freeze he had a possibly good thing with Liberty. He could make an extended playoff without the added SEC pressure. I guess he wants a chance to properly redeem himself from his last SEC stint.

(11-26-2022 02:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

I don't know. I mean, Freeze was pretty toxic when they hired him, but Briles is radioactive. After Falwell's sex scandal, I'd think that Liberty would prefer something with a whole lot less baggage.

(11-26-2022 04:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

I don't know. I mean, Freeze was pretty toxic when they hired him, but Briles is radioactive. After Falwell's sex scandal, I'd think that Liberty would prefer something with a whole lot less baggage.

Briles should go where he's wanted, IMO. A lot of my former bosses used to have the same mindsets as these athletic directors and college presidents- what?? He or she did what??? Put him/her on double secret probation immediately, for indefinitely!!! People can truly change over time, but when they're going up against crap like that, it gets depressing!!! Furthermore, college presidents & ADs are NOT held to the same standards, although they SHOULD be!!!!!!!

Liberty is a Christian school; therefore, they need to have a coach who reflects that image, IMO. Freeze was willing to rehab, and Liberty gave him a chance. Freeze hasn't blown it, yet, so he's good, for now.

The more I think about it, the more I want Liberty in the Fun Belt. I wasn't opposed to Liberty when they expressed an interest in joining. But the ivory tower administration types that are so beholden to the "swamp" were opposed. Makes me despise the "swamp" even more.

(11-26-2022 04:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

I don't know. I mean, Freeze was pretty toxic when they hired him, but Briles is radioactive. After Falwell's sex scandal, I'd think that Liberty would prefer something with a whole lot less baggage.

I think they want to win and be prominent more than they want to live out the values they profess, but you may be right and post-Jerry Jr. likes to watch they might be more skittish of a toxic coach than previously. If they go with Briles or anyone else tainted (what's Bobby Petrino doing?), I expect they'll play up the forgiveness and redemption angle again. That may work for them with their alumni & fans unless and until they get a coach who doesn't straighten up the way Freeze did...

(11-26-2022 06:03 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 04:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

I don't know. I mean, Freeze was pretty toxic when they hired him, but Briles is radioactive. After Falwell's sex scandal, I'd think that Liberty would prefer something with a whole lot less baggage.

I think they want to win and be prominent more than they want to live out the values they profess, but you may be right and post-Jerry Jr. likes to watch they might be more skittish of a toxic coach than previously. If they go with Briles or anyone else tainted (what's Bobby Petrino doing?), I expect they'll play up the forgiveness and redemption angle again. That may work for them with their alumni & fans unless and until they get a coach who doesn't straighten up the way Freeze did...

As the best jobs fill up, don't leave out urban meyer. He may need a rehab stint after how TERRIBLY the NFL went for him. And the everything else that came along with him other than the wins in college.

(11-26-2022 06:03 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 04:42 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:50 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why are these schools going after toxic coaches? There been reports Art Briles name came up as well. I don't know why these schools are so desperate to hire coaches that will be very toxic to your program.

Art Briles did what many successful coaches have done in the past, he tried to keep his best players on the field and win games. He didn't do anything illegal, and he certainly didn't stoop to the level of some (like Paterno as one example). Heck, Bear Bryant nearly killed about 20 Aggies at Junction and he's celebrated as a hero for it, if he'd done that in the days of cell phone cameras and the internet he'd be a pariah.

Briles' problem is not what he did, but rather the transparent and robust investigation bringing all of his dirty laundry out into the light of day. I'm not defending him, but I do think it's reasonable to evaluate his behavior in comparison to his peers. Inflict a similar investigation on every single P5 coach today and there would be a lot of people getting similarly blackballed.

As far as head coaching opportunities for Briles? There won't be any in the SEC unless/until he rehabilitates elsewhere, and nobody elsewhere is giving him a chance. Throw in his age...I think he's done.

...well, Liberty may well be in the market for a new coach soon, so... never say nevah...

I don't know. I mean, Freeze was pretty toxic when they hired him, but Briles is radioactive. After Falwell's sex scandal, I'd think that Liberty would prefer something with a whole lot less baggage.

I think they want to win and be prominent more than they want to live out the values they profess, but you may be right and post-Jerry Jr. likes to watch they might be more skittish of a toxic coach than previously. If they go with Briles or anyone else tainted (what's Bobby Petrino doing?), I expect they'll play up the forgiveness and redemption angle again. That may work for them with their alumni & fans unless and until they get a coach who doesn't straighten up the way Freeze did...

Freeze hasn't straightened up... https://www.outkick.com/hugh-freeze-aubu...ult-email/

Willie Taggart is available.

Heard on the radio a claim that Kiffin had a handshake agreement with Auburn but came back and asked for more money. Auburn told him no.

(11-26-2022 08:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  Heard on the radio a claim that Kiffin had a handshake agreement with Auburn but came back and asked for more money. Auburn told him no.

Please! There's no such thing as a handshake agreement when you are dealing with millions. Radio had it wrong. But then if you believe the radio Martians invaded the Earth in 1938. Talking heads on the radio are even worse. I seriously doubt Kiffin was ever anything to Auburn but an invention of Jimmy Sexton. I'm just hoping the Freeze story is as accurate as the Kiffin one. Same agent.

Given how badly New Mexico State ran over Liberty, does Auburn still want Hugh Freeze?

(11-26-2022 01:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Both are represented by Jimmy Sexton. Since he also represents Jimbo you had better study up on the guy as he is one excellent agent for his clients, and one total snake to deal with for a school. Sexton did the same thing every good season Tuberville had and yes it cost us games.
....

Yep. Florida State has paid in whole seasons.