(11-15-2022 07:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:44 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Excellent point. Specifically under Trump we were moving towards authoritarian democracy like Russia has where elections are held and trumpeted as ringing endorsements for the leadership, but are not truly competitive, free or fair. Fortunately our institutions were too strong, the nature of federalism spreads the power out, and the people do not want this, so he wasn't able to move us very far.

Do you have any facts to support any part of that rant?

Just listen to the man. Most of his time is spent ranting about the election he lost, which he won't accept because his toxic narcissist ego can't handle losing. He's entirely consistent in this, it just didn't matter before - he claimed fraud in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, but the advancing primary calendar rendered that a moot argument. He also repeatedly claimed that he truly won the 2016 popular vote, an outright lie and a wholly unnecessary one since he had already won the Presidency via the archaic system we actually use to elect Presidents.

January 6th was an attempt to use a mob of treasonous malcontents to get the election result he wanted, and Moore v. Harper is an effort to set things up for the next time by allowing state legislatures to override the will of their electorate. It's pure authoritarian democracy - Trump wants to have elections where he wins huge margins to assuage his ego. When he doesn't get that, he'll attempt to warp reality to make his victory grander even if he won anyway. If not for the courts and brave public servants across the country like Secretary of State Raffensperger, he might well have succeeded. And his minions are working now to put the pieces in place for he or another authoritarian to be successful next time.

(11-15-2022 08:04 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:44 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Excellent point. Specifically under Trump we were moving towards authoritarian democracy like Russia has where elections are held and trumpeted as ringing endorsements for the leadership, but are not truly competitive, free or fair. Fortunately our institutions were too strong, the nature of federalism spreads the power out, and the people do not want this, so he wasn't able to move us very far.

Do you have any facts to support any part of that rant?

Just listen to the man. Most of his time is spent ranting about the election he lost, which he won't accept because his toxic narcissist ego can't handle losing. He's entirely consistent in this, it just didn't matter before - he claimed fraud in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, but the advancing primary calendar rendered that a moot argument. He also repeatedly claimed that he truly won the 2016 popular vote, an outright lie and a wholly unnecessary one since he had already won the Presidency via the archaic system we actually use to elect Presidents.

January 6th was an attempt to use a mob of treasonous malcontents to get the election result he wanted, and Moore v. Harper is an effort to set things up for the next time by allowing state legislatures to override the will of their electorate. It's pure authoritarian democracy - Trump wants to have elections where he wins huge margins to assuage his ego. When he doesn't get that, he'll attempt to warp reality to make his victory grander even if he won anyway. If not for the courts and brave public servants across the country like Secretary of State Raffensperger, he might well have succeeded. And his minions are working now to put the pieces in place for he or another authoritarian to be successful next time.

I cant possibly understand how someone could be against the electoral vote. That is short sighted. Have to remember this is the "United" "States". All states deserve equal input in how the government runs. It can't be California and NY dictating to the 48 states, that would not be why this country was made.

(11-15-2022 08:17 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 08:04 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:44 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Excellent point. Specifically under Trump we were moving towards authoritarian democracy like Russia has where elections are held and trumpeted as ringing endorsements for the leadership, but are not truly competitive, free or fair. Fortunately our institutions were too strong, the nature of federalism spreads the power out, and the people do not want this, so he wasn't able to move us very far.

Do you have any facts to support any part of that rant?

Just listen to the man. Most of his time is spent ranting about the election he lost, which he won't accept because his toxic narcissist ego can't handle losing. He's entirely consistent in this, it just didn't matter before - he claimed fraud in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, but the advancing primary calendar rendered that a moot argument. He also repeatedly claimed that he truly won the 2016 popular vote, an outright lie and a wholly unnecessary one since he had already won the Presidency via the archaic system we actually use to elect Presidents.

January 6th was an attempt to use a mob of treasonous malcontents to get the election result he wanted, and Moore v. Harper is an effort to set things up for the next time by allowing state legislatures to override the will of their electorate. It's pure authoritarian democracy - Trump wants to have elections where he wins huge margins to assuage his ego. When he doesn't get that, he'll attempt to warp reality to make his victory grander even if he won anyway. If not for the courts and brave public servants across the country like Secretary of State Raffensperger, he might well have succeeded. And his minions are working now to put the pieces in place for he or another authoritarian to be successful next time.

I cant possibly understand how someone could be against the electoral vote. That is short sighted. Have to remember this is the "United" "States". All states deserve equal input in how the government runs. It can't be California and NY dictating to the 48 states, that would not be why this country was made.

I didn't say I hate it, just that it's archaic. I do rather enjoy the complexity and the strategy of it, and agree it provides a voice to small states which is key to making federalism work. I would like to see it reformed to reduce the number of wasted votes and the number of people who are functionally disenfranchised - Democrats in Wyoming, Republicans in California, etc. I'd like to see every state split their electoral votes by Congressional district like Maine and Nebraska do, or on a statewide level by proportion of the popular vote received.

(11-15-2022 07:48 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 07:44 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 02:41 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:02 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  America is too far gone to save at this point. It'll continue to die a slow painful death. Democrats are hell bent on turning this nation into a third world communist police state, and the Republicans will sit by and twiddle their thumbs doing nothing out of fear of being hit again like a beaten housewife.

Under Trump? We were becoming a Communist Country like China and Russia. Socialist countries are like a lot of the western Democracy European Countries.

Excellent point. Specifically under Trump we were moving towards authoritarian democracy like Russia has where elections are held and trumpeted as ringing endorsements for the leadership, but are not truly competitive, free or fair. Fortunately our institutions were too strong, the nature of federalism spreads the power out, and the people do not want this, so he wasn't able to move us very far.

The level of projection in this post is just off the charts. It sets a whole new bar.

stoppin' in once again to say, "hello."

tried to warn ya'll long ago, ol' 'nole is dangerous in the dichotomy of the psychology ... commie tommie is a mere mouse relative to the traps this guy sets...

(11-14-2022 06:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 05:21 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Will we still have college football?

Nothing more American than the AAC!

Howdy new conference mate! See ya soon. It's cool to see Tulane having a good season.

(11-15-2022 08:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 06:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 05:21 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Will we still have college football?

Nothing more American than the AAC!

Howdy new conference mate! See ya soon. It's cool to see Tulane having a good season.

Shut up 6BC

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:32 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  I will never understand why Republicans think some multi-millionaire in power want Marxism, which goes against their own interests.

Rich and powerful people don't want an ideology that strips money and power away from rich and powerful people.

Marxism protects the rich class. That's the thing that most of the left don't understand about marxism. There is always a rich and powerful elite class, but everyone else is poor and powerless.

If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

(11-15-2022 09:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 08:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 06:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 05:21 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Will we still have college football?

Nothing more American than the AAC!

Howdy new conference mate! See ya soon. It's cool to see Tulane having a good season.

Shut up 6BC

lol, we'll be back. Not sure when, but we'll be back!!

(11-15-2022 09:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 08:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 06:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 05:21 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Will we still have college football?

Nothing more American than the AAC!

Howdy new conference mate! See ya soon. It's cool to see Tulane having a good season.

Shut up 6BC

lol, we'll be back. Not sure when, but we'll be back!!

By Tulane standards it’s a 2nd in a lifetime season lol *cries in historic losses*

(11-15-2022 09:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 08:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 06:32 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 05:21 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Will we still have college football?

Nothing more American than the AAC!

Howdy new conference mate! See ya soon. It's cool to see Tulane having a good season.

Shut up 6BC

lol, we'll be back. Not sure when, but we'll be back!!

If it makes you feel better, I never saw a Memphis win at Halton.

(11-14-2022 07:51 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:18 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:16 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:15 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:58 AM)maximus Wrote:  There should be nonstop commercials showing the data of how people are fleeing the shithole experiments of California, New York, Illinois etc etc....



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As others have said, the GOP knows nothing about winning elections. You're too caught up in petty scorekeeping and "owning the libs". So by all means keep cheering along with us about the steady export of blue voters into increasingly competitive states like Texas, when red Texas finally falls it will mean the end of GOP power on the national level.

So, you are fine with a government with no restraint? Anything Goes?

Yes they are. Until it happens. The very definition of useful idiots.

And then they'll look around in bewilderment and think to themselves, wait, it wasn't supposed to be this way.

Just like the Venezuelans. Nothing like dumpster diving for that next meal.

(11-15-2022 09:19 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:32 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  I will never understand why Republicans think some multi-millionaire in power want Marxism, which goes against their own interests.

Rich and powerful people don't want an ideology that strips money and power away from rich and powerful people.

Marxism protects the rich class. That's the thing that most of the left don't understand about marxism. There is always a rich and powerful elite class, but everyone else is poor and powerless.

If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

Why is is always the authoritarian “socialists” that are used as an example and not the social democracies of Western Europe? Those countries are no less free then we are.

(11-15-2022 02:41 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:02 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  America is too far gone to save at this point. It'll continue to die a slow painful death. Democrats are hell bent on turning this nation into a third world communist police state, and the Republicans will sit by and twiddle their thumbs doing nothing out of fear of being hit again like a beaten housewife.

Under Trump? We were becoming a Communist Country like China and Russia. Socialist countries are like a lot of the western Democracy European Countries.

And Northwest Kansas Tech is a big 12 expansion candidate.

(11-15-2022 10:02 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:19 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 09:32 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  I will never understand why Republicans think some multi-millionaire in power want Marxism, which goes against their own interests.

Rich and powerful people don't want an ideology that strips money and power away from rich and powerful people.

Marxism protects the rich class. That's the thing that most of the left don't understand about marxism. There is always a rich and powerful elite class, but everyone else is poor and powerless.

If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

Why is is always the authoritarian “socialists” that are used as an example and not the social democracies of Western Europe? Those countries are no less free then we are.

and the answer is C. None of the above.

People left these countries for a better way not a return the old which is where we are headed.

(11-14-2022 12:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:52 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:30 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  America of the 1950's will never return. If that's what you are wanting, and voting for, you would be correct.

The America of the future is looking brighter than it has in a long time.

The future of America is bleak. It doesn't have one. It's going to end up as part of some authoritarian one-world government.

That's what Kruciff wants, so that is a bright future in his warped mind.

And you actively desire the end times to begin as described in your death cult. Excuse me if I'm perfectly ok if our views of optimism don't align.

I think its pretty clear which side is the death cult and its definitely not Biblical Christianity. Faith in Christ is eternal life.

Its not genuine Christians ushering in the globalist one world government, its you and your commie socialist loons.

He does worship a God not just the real God. He worships the man made Progressive Ideological God which has its own propaganda and brain washing techniques. Its a very powerful religion because we both know who is in charge of it and he is a master of deception and deceit. No doubt, when you put your faith in men they will fail you 100% of the time as history has already proven repeatedly. Kruciff will be taken down a dead end road and tossed off a cliff if or when reality ever does set in on him. Worst case scenario pass from this world in oblivion and see what awaits you in the life to come. Hope he finds the way.

The only positive going for him is that maybe he lives in Texas although I'm not sure. He has made some vague statements.

(11-15-2022 10:20 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 10:02 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:19 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 10:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Marxism protects the rich class. That's the thing that most of the left don't understand about marxism. There is always a rich and powerful elite class, but everyone else is poor and powerless.

If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

Why is is always the authoritarian “socialists” that are used as an example and not the social democracies of Western Europe? Those countries are no less free then we are.

and the answer is C. None of the above.

People left these countries for a better way not a return the old which is where we are headed.

Lol yeah people are fleeing the Nordic countries by the droves to scrape by under our more unfettered capitalism with paltry vacations and a negligible safety net. Oh the crushing burden on our public services all of those Danes & Swedes cause. I take seriously Owl#'s data-based warnings that Democrats are in danger of crossing the line from Scandinavian style social democracy to excessive redistributionism. That isn't where I want to go, and I don't think most Democrats do either.

But I, and the sadly few others who know much at all about the world, do not take at all seriously your fearmongering cries that we are on a path to totalitarian, nominally socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela or China. You're just waving the hammer & sickle flag at a largely ignorant electorate who doesn't know better, and yet it still isn't working. Maybe the voters are a little smarter than I give them credit for.

(11-14-2022 09:52 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah, the country is toast.

Many of us will be criminalized in our personal decisions in no time.

Is that kinda like the FBI showing up fully armed at Minister's house for speaking out against Abortion?

(11-15-2022 10:35 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 10:20 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 10:02 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:19 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

Why is is always the authoritarian “socialists” that are used as an example and not the social democracies of Western Europe? Those countries are no less free then we are.

and the answer is C. None of the above.

People left these countries for a better way not a return the old which is where we are headed.

Lol yeah people are fleeing the Nordic countries by the droves to scrape by under our more unfettered capitalism with paltry vacations and a negligible safety net. Oh the crushing burden on our public services all of those Danes & Swedes cause. I take seriously Owl#'s data-based warnings that Democrats are in danger of crossing the line from Scandinavian style social democracy to excessive redistributionism. That isn't where I want to go, and I don't think most Democrats do either.

But I, and the sadly few others who know much at all about the world, do not take at all seriously your fearmongering cries that we are on a path to totalitarian, nominally socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela or China. You're just waving the hammer & sickle flag at a largely ignorant electorate who doesn't know better, and yet it still isn't working. Maybe the voters are a little smarter than I give them credit for.

It is always interesting to me that the examples used almost every time is the area of the world with the most dense population of white people. They basically have one culture and one set of traditions. While they were open for immigration, before they were a hot immigration destination, they have done a lot of changes over the recent years to stop the flow.

A lot of these socialist programs our Dem-Libs drool over are only possible because these "democracies" are still operating under the original conditions of the Bretton-Woods Agreement where we make it easy to sell their stuff in the US and World and they can make it as hard as they want for us to sell our stuff in their markets.

Also helps they can pretty much only put token armed forces together and depend on the US to defend them from the Bear and the Dragon.

(11-15-2022 10:35 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 10:20 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 10:02 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 09:19 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 11:10 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you look at history, this is totally untrue. Marxism pits the Bourgeoisie (ruling class) against the proletariat (working class). Saying they are at odds because the bourgeoisie owns what the workers need to produce things and that if they got rid of the bourgeoisie the proletariat would reap the benefits. As they would get to split up the sizable chunk of the pie going to the bourgeoisie

In the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc they went after the landlords, factory owners, the wealthy, and those in power.

Communist leaders by in large didn't come from the powerful, Mao was a farmer, Stalin grew up in poverty, Lenin grew up middle class, etc.

I'm not a Marxist but as someone on the left, I have never understood why so many conservatives think prominent Democrats are closet Marxists. Even the more radical Dems such as Bernie and AOC base their beliefs on Nordic countries not 1960s China.

Pray tell. Since you study history tell me how Lenin, Stalin, Castro and Mao ruled? They lived like commoners? Laughable! If you have an ounce of common sense between your ears you understand it was just an overthrow of one system being replaced by one that was worse than was overthrown. What rights do people have in Communist countries other than the right to be poor and subservient. No hope for a better life just a penance and an existence. I had friends that lived under the old Soviet Union rule and they would definitely enlighten you. To have a Physics degree and work as a Plumber to barely get by. Yep, everyone wants that Comrade.

Read about someone who was all in Communism until he made the mistake of questioning their integrity. Apparently they don’t practice what they preach. Shocking truly shocking. Forced Labor camps will replace our welfare system.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (1918 – 2008). This guy lived it firsthand and will enlighten anyone on the true real world Communism not what is wrote by a bunch of Lackey College professors with Palmolive dish water hands who have never had to work a day in their lives to make ends meet.

Why is is always the authoritarian “socialists” that are used as an example and not the social democracies of Western Europe? Those countries are no less free then we are.

and the answer is C. None of the above.

People left these countries for a better way not a return the old which is where we are headed.

Lol yeah people are fleeing the Nordic countries by the droves to scrape by under our more unfettered capitalism with paltry vacations and a negligible safety net. Oh the crushing burden on our public services all of those Danes & Swedes cause. I take seriously Owl#'s data-based warnings that Democrats are in danger of crossing the line from Scandinavian style social democracy to excessive redistributionism. That isn't where I want to go, and I don't think most Democrats do either.

But I, and the sadly few others who know much at all about the world, do not take at all seriously your fearmongering cries that we are on a path to totalitarian, nominally socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela or China. You're just waving the hammer & sickle flag at a largely ignorant electorate who doesn't know better, and yet it still isn't working. Maybe the voters are a little smarter than I give them credit for.

Or maybe decades of being dumbed down by a liberal education system!

For folks who want to live status quo yes the Nordic way is the way. Of course they have smaller populations that cannot be copied to our much larger population. Yes, people do get tired of all the taxation and they do leave. My daughter played tennis at the University level and she was told by both Swedish and Norwegian players that everyone there hopes they can gain access to the US and not have to return. Why is that? If this is some wonderland they should be overjoyed to return. Also, they told her how limited they are for food choices. They didn't know there was any other flavor of Doritos other than Nacho Cheese. Supermarkets don't exist like we enjoy. Obviously you truly don't understand what Churchill was describing.

My wife and myself are perfect examples of people leaving these countries we both have Scandinavian blood in our gene pool.