(03-03-2023 02:37 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  Sorry I don't read unhinged screeds

you should have kept it that way and never responded to me in the 1st place

(03-03-2023 10:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 10:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 09:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 09:04 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  A “rebuild” requires something to have actually been built, and this rebuild year we’ve already matched the overall win total and conference win total with 2 more games and the tournament to go, all with our best player being out since early January. ECU fans tried to say Suggs missing 5 games derailed the whole season, Schwartz and company have been dealing with a far more crippling injury for longer and didn’t fall apart. Even if Newton stayed Dooley wouldn’t have accomplished jack crap. He took a team with Newton and Gardner and turned it into a last place finish, why all of a sudden would he have achieved anything?

my point was that you had to find out...again on paper could hve been the best roster in ecu history in regards to ceiling
there was no rush...no one was after schwartz...

Except the realities of Dooley’s contract required a real decision. Either had to extend him or pay him a 250k bonus on June 1 to be a lame duck coach. Either of those options with his resume were moronic. He accomplished nothing with better high end talent than we’d have had even if Newton had come back. You openly admit Dooley’s ceiling was low, and his proven floor was also garbage it’s not like he had gotten us to like the 120s range and we were risking something by firing him. If it failed we went from a near 200s team to essentially the exact same level of trash.

you don't like dooley so you wont accept the reason

dooleys ceiling is low, he was never going to get ecu 3 back to back s16 or whatever .. but the bar and track record for ecu was low.. since the inception of ecu ball youve nwever had a great team, thats in close to 70years.. imploding what could have been your best ever team to go through another multiyear rebuild ..

you are theoretically saying he would have been trash.. but for a chance at great id take that chance and then switch based on the result
no one saw tulane having a historic football season after 2-10 last year and a sub .500 in fritz 7 years prior.. but things sometimes allign

A “multi year rebuild” where in year 1 we are already right at the apex of Dooley’s accomplishments with maybe the youngest roster in the country. This isn’t me saying that this season is amazing, it’s me saying Dooley didn’t accomplish jack sh*t. And no there was never a “chance at great” with Dooley. Your Fritz comparison is stupid. Fritz had taken Tulane to 3 straight bowl games before the 2-10 season. If Dooley had taken ECU to 3 straight NITs no one would have wanted him fired for one bad year after. Dooley instead had 3 horrific years and then 1 bad year by any reasonable standards. I don’t hate Dooley, I wrongly advocated for him big time for years prior to being hired, I hate the fact that his results sucked.

(03-03-2023 02:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:37 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  Sorry I don't read unhinged screeds

you should have kept it that way and never responded to me in the 1st place

I thought you'd tuckered yourself out already.

(03-03-2023 02:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 12:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  at this point even losing out i think memphis is cliched its tournament berth...and everyone else is guaranteed not in..and with ucfs loss today, NIT isnt even on the table for the rest...

this will the be 1st stress-free aac tournament/end of the season i believe in history, where the last few games dont really matter beyond traditional bid stealing

NIT is still very much on the table for UC. Not sure it matters a whole ton, but it’s very much in play. NIT projections are very hard to come by, but of the two that do it, DRATINGS has UC as the third 5 seed, and Barking Crow (who apparently takes the NIT stuff VERY seriously) has UC as first team out.

Point being, for better or worse, it’s on the table for UC though far from a guarantee.

Extend Wes Miller now while you can get a good deal.

(03-03-2023 02:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  A “multi year rebuild” where in year 1 we are already right at the apex of Dooley’s accomplishments with maybe the youngest roster in the country. This isn’t me saying that this season is amazing, it’s me saying Dooley didn’t accomplish jack sh*t. And no there was never a “chance at great” with Dooley. Your Fritz comparison is stupid. Fritz had taken Tulane to 3 straight bowl games before the 2-10 season. If Dooley had taken ECU to 3 straight NITs no one would have wanted him fired for one bad year after. Dooley instead had 3 horrific years and then 1 bad year by any reasonable standards. I don’t hate Dooley, I wrongly advocated for him big time for years prior to being hired, I hate the fact that his results sucked.

2 6-6 seasons aren't the equivalent of the NIT/NCAA.. or even close.. 65% of teams make bowls (*fcs to get 6).. less than 20% make the ncaa/nit.. less than 10% when you remove the power 5/BE.. how is that fair equivalent.. fritz had a sub .500 record

you wont admit but you arent being fair to Dooley.. you arent being objective.. record/standing aside...just from film evaluation if last years ecu (with a healthy suggs) played this years ecu, last years ecu team would comfortably win even with small...this year had a chance to build off that..
im probably one of the few people who watched a ton of ecu games but not as a fan, or biased either way, if you removed the games suggs was injured last year..and looked at the rest, ecu was REAALLLY close to being a good team ..and on paper could have had everyone back

you wont admit it but thats fine

(03-03-2023 03:06 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:55 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 12:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  at this point even losing out i think memphis is cliched its tournament berth...and everyone else is guaranteed not in..and with ucfs loss today, NIT isnt even on the table for the rest...

this will the be 1st stress-free aac tournament/end of the season i believe in history, where the last few games dont really matter beyond traditional bid stealing

NIT is still very much on the table for UC. Not sure it matters a whole ton, but it’s very much in play. NIT projections are very hard to come by, but of the two that do it, DRATINGS has UC as the third 5 seed, and Barking Crow (who apparently takes the NIT stuff VERY seriously) has UC as first team out.

Point being, for better or worse, it’s on the table for UC though far from a guarantee.

Extend Wes Miller now while you can get a good deal.

Already did

Memphis/Houston game sold out per Tiger website.

https://gotigersgo.evenue.net/cgi-bin/nc...=&appCode=

Capacity is 18,119.

(03-03-2023 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  A “multi year rebuild” where in year 1 we are already right at the apex of Dooley’s accomplishments with maybe the youngest roster in the country. This isn’t me saying that this season is amazing, it’s me saying Dooley didn’t accomplish jack sh*t. And no there was never a “chance at great” with Dooley. Your Fritz comparison is stupid. Fritz had taken Tulane to 3 straight bowl games before the 2-10 season. If Dooley had taken ECU to 3 straight NITs no one would have wanted him fired for one bad year after. Dooley instead had 3 horrific years and then 1 bad year by any reasonable standards. I don’t hate Dooley, I wrongly advocated for him big time for years prior to being hired, I hate the fact that his results sucked.

2 6-6 seasons aren't the equivalent of the NIT/NCAA.. or even close.. 65% of teams make bowls (*fcs to get 6).. less than 20% make the ncaa/nit.. less than 10% when you remove the power 5/BE.. how is that fair equivalent.. fritz had a sub .500 record

you wont admit but you arent being fair to Dooley.. you arent being objective.. record/standing aside...just from film evaluation if last years ecu (with a healthy suggs) played this years ecu, last years ecu team would comfortably win even with small...this year had a chance to build off that..
im probably one of the few people who watched a ton of ecu games but not as a fan, or biased either way, if you removed the games suggs was injured last year..and looked at the rest, ecu was REAALLLY close to being a good team ..and on paper could have had everyone back

you wont admit it but thats fine

They were just as close to being a nightmare team. When fully healthy they won nail-biters against Q4 opponents Coppin State, ODU, and Southern Miss OOC and swept (but barely) the 2 worst teams in the league USF and Tulsa. Yeah, they lost some close games, and won just as many if not more close ones.

As for on paper could have had everyone back, there was really only 1 player who moved the needle, Newton. That's it. I know you'll try to argue that guys who are good now like BJ, Felton, and Small were on the roster, but they were terrible (or in the case of BJ just underplayed) and it's zero guarantees they'd have made the leaps they made without Schwartz.

Throw coaches out of the equation, would you rather go into an offseason trying to build on the roster at the time ECU had last offseason or the one they'll bring into this offseason? For me it's not close I'm taking this roster, because sure none of the players on this roster are as good as Newton, but you have at least 4 guys who are AAC level players in Small/Felton/BJ/Ausar who are also all young. Last year you had Newton, Suggs, the husk of Tabbs (who never was going to get right) and a bunch of freshman who were terrible that year.

Watch ECU defy tradition and win in NO tonight. Usually after a nice win at home the Pirates play roadkill the next outing.

Confirmation

Felton wasn’t terrible last season that’s just revisionist. There were plenty of people who said he would be a key player for ECU as he progressed in his career.

(03-03-2023 06:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Felton wasn’t terrible last season that’s just revisionist. There were plenty of people who said he would be a key player for ECU as he progressed in his career.

You cite me a single stat that shows him being anything other than a bad basketball player. That doesn't mean there weren't people that thought he could develop into a good player down the road, but he was bad last year full stop.

He was 12.3 and 3.8 per 40. I don’t think that’s bad for a freshman guard.

(03-03-2023 07:46 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  He was 12.3 and 3.8 per 40. I don’t think that’s bad for a freshman guard.

He's developed and become a good player, so I don't want to trash him, but no his numbers were bad and he was a completely unproductive player last year. Great job by him and by the coaches to help him develop and become a good player.

As for the game at hand both teams look like they have very dead legs. ECU going for it's AAC best 7th conference win tonight.

Cheated

Same official made three weak charge calls in the final minutes all against EC. Same bullsh*t from this conference time and again.

All 3 could have gone the other way.

https://twitter.com/StephenIgoe/status/1...21568?s=20

They’re even worse in the context of the game where contact was let go all game