(11-10-2022 02:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Unfortunately for my politics there's literally zero politicians on either side that want Universal Healthcare.

If you worked in healthcare you'd understand why. What they are asking for fundamentally undermines the healthcare system currently in place and likely puts a ton of people out of work... insurance companies and hospitals. It is a trainwreck that both parties created themselves.

I do work in the health care industry (on the finance side) and my wife will soon be a health care provider so I fully understand how fu*ked the US system is. My wife hasn't even graduated from NP school yet and she's considering getting out of it as quickly as she can because of how much of a scam insurance is and how intentionally hard they try to make it to treat patients for the sake of profit.

well, for starters, health insurance isnt insurance.

(11-10-2022 02:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Unfortunately for my politics there's literally zero politicians on either side that want Universal Healthcare.

If you worked in healthcare you'd understand why. What they are asking for fundamentally undermines the healthcare system currently in place and likely puts a ton of people out of work... insurance companies and hospitals. It is a trainwreck that both parties created themselves.

I do work in the health care industry (on the finance side) and my wife will soon be a health care provider so I fully understand how fu*ked the US system is. My wife hasn't even graduated from NP school yet and she's considering getting out of it as quickly as she can because of how much of a scam insurance is and how intentionally hard they try to make it to treat patients for the sake of profit.

And the US government getting in the middle of it doesn't help one bit.

If the US government "got out of it" completely what do you think would actually happen? What areas do you think the "free market" would dramatically make healthcare cheaper? I don't think capitalism in and of itself is evil and believe in supply and demand for products with elastic demand, lots of substitutes available, and relatively low barriers to entry. That's where capitalism shines and is great. Certain industries are always going to have insanely high barriers to entry as well as inelastic demand.

What Is an Example of Inelastic Demand?
Inelastic demand refers to the demand for a good or service remaining relatively unchanged when the price moves up or down. An example of this would be insulin, which is needed for people with diabetes. As insulin is an essential medication for diabetics, the demand for it will not change if the price increases, for example.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/inelastic.asp

(11-10-2022 02:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Unfortunately for my politics there's literally zero politicians on either side that want Universal Healthcare.

If you worked in healthcare you'd understand why. What they are asking for fundamentally undermines the healthcare system currently in place and likely puts a ton of people out of work... insurance companies and hospitals. It is a trainwreck that both parties created themselves.

I do work in the health care industry (on the finance side) and my wife will soon be a health care provider so I fully understand how fu*ked the US system is. My wife hasn't even graduated from NP school yet and she's considering getting out of it as quickly as she can because of how much of a scam insurance is and how intentionally hard they try to make it to treat patients for the sake of profit.

And the US government getting in the middle of it doesn't help one bit.

They actually make it worse. If you are in finance as you say, BJ, then you should understand that the costs for healthcare are especially inflated based on total BS regulations that do nothing to help the patient.

So zero government interference, what do you think keeps health insurers, hospitals, pharma companies, etc from just continuing to ever increase prices and rake in greater and greater profit margins? Do you think there would be a bunch of mom and pop hospitals that open up? A whole bunch of new entries into the health insurance market drastically driving down the price? I could buy 1 area that if you eliminated regulation you could potentially drastically decrease prices, if you eliminated all drug patent protections and you can make generic drugs of anything immediately.

(11-10-2022 03:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So zero government interference, what do you think keeps health insurers, hospitals, pharma companies, etc from just continuing to ever increase prices and rake in greater and greater profit margins? Do you think there would be a bunch of mom and pop hospitals that open up? A whole bunch of new entries into the health insurance market drastically driving down the price? I could buy 1 area that if you eliminated regulation you could potentially drastically decrease prices, if you eliminated all drug patent protections and you can make generic drugs of anything immediately.

Put a limit on malpractice lawsuits... get rid of Obamacare, as it was directly responsible for thousands of mom and pop hospitals going out of business, plus forcing doctors into large healthcare networks. Ask anyone in rural Kentucky what happened after the reimbursements were dropped so low that they couldn't afford the facilities, let alone the doctors.

(11-10-2022 03:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So zero government interference, what do you think keeps health insurers, hospitals, pharma companies, etc from just continuing to ever increase prices and rake in greater and greater profit margins? Do you think there would be a bunch of mom and pop hospitals that open up? A whole bunch of new entries into the health insurance market drastically driving down the price? I could buy 1 area that if you eliminated regulation you could potentially drastically decrease prices, if you eliminated all drug patent protections and you can make generic drugs of anything immediately.

Put a limit on malpractice lawsuits... get rid of Obamacare, as it was directly responsible for thousands of mom and pop hospitals going out of business, plus forcing doctors into large healthcare networks. Ask anyone in rural Kentucky what happened after the reimbursements were dropped so low that they couldn't afford the facilities, let alone the doctors.

Okay, so I think Obamacare sucks and I want it gone also, but what's the replacement plan?

(11-10-2022 03:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So zero government interference, what do you think keeps health insurers, hospitals, pharma companies, etc from just continuing to ever increase prices and rake in greater and greater profit margins? Do you think there would be a bunch of mom and pop hospitals that open up? A whole bunch of new entries into the health insurance market drastically driving down the price? I could buy 1 area that if you eliminated regulation you could potentially drastically decrease prices, if you eliminated all drug patent protections and you can make generic drugs of anything immediately.

Put a limit on malpractice lawsuits... get rid of Obamacare, as it was directly responsible for thousands of mom and pop hospitals going out of business, plus forcing doctors into large healthcare networks. Ask anyone in rural Kentucky what happened after the reimbursements were dropped so low that they couldn't afford the facilities, let alone the doctors.

Replace Obamacare with Bismarck universal, private, multi-provider, multi-payer health care. Adopt Swedish no-fault malpractice.

(11-10-2022 04:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:27 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So zero government interference, what do you think keeps health insurers, hospitals, pharma companies, etc from just continuing to ever increase prices and rake in greater and greater profit margins? Do you think there would be a bunch of mom and pop hospitals that open up? A whole bunch of new entries into the health insurance market drastically driving down the price? I could buy 1 area that if you eliminated regulation you could potentially drastically decrease prices, if you eliminated all drug patent protections and you can make generic drugs of anything immediately.

Put a limit on malpractice lawsuits... get rid of Obamacare, as it was directly responsible for thousands of mom and pop hospitals going out of business, plus forcing doctors into large healthcare networks. Ask anyone in rural Kentucky what happened after the reimbursements were dropped so low that they couldn't afford the facilities, let alone the doctors.

Replace Obamacare with Bismarck universal, private, multi-provider, multi-payer health care. Adopt Swedish no-fault malpractice.

You've never heard me argue with you on that ever, and I've never once heard a member of the GOP name check Bismarck.

(11-10-2022 12:50 PM)Curumim Wrote:  Hard to say if he would have the appeal to overcome the primaries.

Is this a ******* parody account?

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(11-10-2022 01:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Fetterman actually would have been a far better candidate than many of the absolute clowns the Dems try to throw out as the "next generation" of the Dem party. He was one of the few Dems with an actual left populist economic agenda who also gave off the authentic "vibe" of connecting with the type of working class voter the Dems have just given up on. Unfortunately baring a miracle recovery that's over. I thought he was someone who could have taken up the mantle of what 2016 Bernie ran on (I think 2020 Bernie spent way too much time trying to fight against that "Bernie Bro" narrative instead of just running essentially the same campaign again and actually having the guts to attack "his good friend" Slow Joe), attacking Wall Street/offshoring jobs/the medical insurance cabal, and mostly ignoring identity politics. Unfortunately for my politics there's literally zero politicians on either side that want Universal Healthcare and want to just ignore the idiotic ID politics issues.

Leeched off parents now leeching off idiots like you

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(11-10-2022 02:03 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  I heard a doctor discussing Fetterman's stoke and heart issues (which no one talks about). He said that those two things in conjuction, usually are an indicator of much worse health issues.

The chances he drops dead of another stroke in the next 2-3 years are astronomical

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(11-10-2022 02:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Unfortunately for my politics there's literally zero politicians on either side that want Universal Healthcare.

If you worked in healthcare you'd understand why. What they are asking for fundamentally undermines the healthcare system currently in place and likely puts a ton of people out of work... insurance companies and hospitals. It is a trainwreck that both parties created themselves.

I do work in the health care industry (on the finance side) and my wife will soon be a health care provider so I fully understand how fu*ked the US system is. My wife hasn't even graduated from NP school yet and she's considering getting out of it as quickly as she can because of how much of a scam insurance is and how intentionally hard they try to make it to treat patients for the sake of profit.

Bwahahaha this is rich.....other than insurance companies making it difficult to pay claims(accurate) you totally leave out and ignore how much of a shitshow Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are for providers.

If your wife is aligned with your politics tell her to open an office who only accepts Medicare and Medicaid and see how long she lasts.

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I could have a leftist follow me for a single day and they would be shell-shocked on how ****** up their views on healthcare are.....they literally have zero clue.



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Uncle Fester will never sniff anything beyond what he now has. He will be a reminder to the people of Pennsylvania of how stupid they were for the next 6 years.

Clownshow.

(11-10-2022 01:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Did something happen to khan :(

WTF happened to shere???

The fact that any leftists said this effin slough looking clown is even worthy of cleaning a bathroom says a lot about leftists.

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(11-10-2022 06:47 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Did something happen to khan :(

WTF happened to shere???

IDK. Look at that one poster's signature. Post #6

(11-10-2022 07:02 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 06:47 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Did something happen to khan :(

WTF happened to shere???

IDK. Look at that one poster's signature. Post #6

My apologies, didn't see your question before. Shere is banned from the forums. I'm pissed because of it.

(11-10-2022 07:45 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 07:02 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 06:47 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 01:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Did something happen to khan :(

WTF happened to shere???

IDK. Look at that one poster's signature. Post #6

My apologies, didn't see your question before. Shere is banned from the forums. I'm pissed because of it.

Wow! Me too then! He will be missed!

Anybody have a scoop on what triggered the 'removal'?

Looking at the posts running up to his last on, there doesnt seem much amiss.

And, anyone know if you are banned, can you login? He hasnt been logged in since the 3d.