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(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I heard some kids were getting 5k just to visit.

It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

NIL is technically supposed to be attached to endorsements. Hard to see where a visit would have time for endorsing a company.

(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I heard some kids were getting 5k just to visit.

It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

Don't know. I don't know if HS kids are already getting NIL money locally.

Will NIL contracts include morality clauses?

Would love to read an actual contract. Is it an annual deal? subject to renegotiation based on performance?

(09-29-2023 12:18 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I heard some kids were getting 5k just to visit.

It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

NIL is technically supposed to be attached to endorsements. Hard to see where a visit would have time for endorsing a company.

But its not "really" attached to endorsements in most cases is it? Seems in most cases its just a way to give cover to boosters to pay these players. I could see where a booster group pays a recruit $5k to simply tweet that he's visiting the school and thanking the group.

Again I'm confusing NIL agreements with pay to play.How do we distinguish?

Committed to Villanova, where his high school coach played.

(09-29-2023 12:31 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Committed to Villanova, where his high school coach played.

Interesting that he's going to the school his Dads team is famous for beating. I wonder how much they're paying him? I wonder how much we're paying our recruits too.

(09-29-2023 12:27 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Again I'm confusing NIL agreements with pay to play.How do we distinguish?

I think in most cases, in the big sports, its just semantics. It is 99% the same thing.

(09-29-2023 12:25 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:18 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:26 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I heard some kids were getting 5k just to visit.

It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

NIL is technically supposed to be attached to endorsements. Hard to see where a visit would have time for endorsing a company.

But its not "really" attached to endorsements in most cases is it? Seems in most cases its just a way to give cover to boosters to pay these players. I could see where a booster group pays a recruit $5k to simply tweet that he's visiting the school and thanking the group.

It is attached to endorsements in practically all cases. Flimsy endorsements that they know won’t be worth the cost in some aspects but they have to show up for an event or tweet about a product to show it’s legitimate or they risk a lot of issues for the programs, players and collective.

(09-29-2023 12:35 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:25 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:18 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

NIL is technically supposed to be attached to endorsements. Hard to see where a visit would have time for endorsing a company.

But its not "really" attached to endorsements in most cases is it? Seems in most cases its just a way to give cover to boosters to pay these players. I could see where a booster group pays a recruit $5k to simply tweet that he's visiting the school and thanking the group.

It is attached to endorsements in practically all cases. Flimsy endorsements that they know won’t be worth the cost in some aspects but they have to show up for an event or tweet about a product to show it’s legitimate or they risk a lot of issues for the programs, players and collective.

Yeah, I don't know the specific contracts, but I know its happening by some means. Heck, even some high schoolers are getting NIL deals now (maybe in certain states).

But, I imagine there is some way that they are getting the money under the current rules.

(09-29-2023 12:35 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:25 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:18 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:09 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  It might vary from state to state, but I wonder if a kid takes a payment to visit, does that jeopardize their amateur status in that state?

How is it different than receiving NIL money?

NIL is technically supposed to be attached to endorsements. Hard to see where a visit would have time for endorsing a company.

But its not "really" attached to endorsements in most cases is it? Seems in most cases its just a way to give cover to boosters to pay these players. I could see where a booster group pays a recruit $5k to simply tweet that he's visiting the school and thanking the group.

It is attached to endorsements in practically all cases. Flimsy endorsements that they know won’t be worth the cost in some aspects but they have to show up for an event or tweet about a product to show it’s legitimate or they risk a lot of issues for the programs, players and collective.

I think we agree then. I know on paper its technically for an endorsement, but its often times basically for doing nothing other than a tweet that takes 10 seconds or something similar. For non revenue sports I could see it being legit. It would be good if schools had 2 paths for athletes to take. The scholarship/COA route, and the NIL route. If a kid thinks he'll make more via NIL, go that route and pay your own tuition. For the regular athletes, take the free ride for four years and all the benefits of that.

Nova it is.

We were in top 7.

Maybe we will have a shot when Neptune gets fired in 2 years.

(09-29-2023 02:45 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Nova it is.

We were in top 7.

Painful Irony!

ODU need to be looking everywhere for a QB. Every game this year the QB play has killed us! Imagine we had a QB. This team would be dangerous!

(10-02-2023 04:41 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  ODU need to be looking everywhere for a QB. Every game this year the QB play has killed us! Imagine we had a QB. This team would be dangerous!

I'm not sure how a quarterback is going to help us on the court though?

(10-02-2023 04:41 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  ODU need to be looking everywhere for a QB. Every game this year the QB play has killed us! Imagine we had a QB. This team would be dangerous!

I think the QB was player of the week vs Louisiana.

Not that QB play has been great but it def didnt kill us there

(10-02-2023 07:20 AM)bluelotmayor Wrote:  

(10-02-2023 04:41 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  ODU need to be looking everywhere for a QB. Every game this year the QB play has killed us! Imagine we had a QB. This team would be dangerous!

I'm not sure how a quarterback is going to help us on the court though?

Drew Williamson was a pretty good quarterback.

(10-02-2023 09:45 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-02-2023 07:20 AM)bluelotmayor Wrote:  

(10-02-2023 04:41 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  ODU need to be looking everywhere for a QB. Every game this year the QB play has killed us! Imagine we had a QB. This team would be dangerous!

I'm not sure how a quarterback is going to help us on the court though?

Drew Williamson was a pretty good quarterback.

And Frank Smith as well.

Update on Jayden: https://www.zagsblog.com/2023/12/31/clas...rformance/

(01-02-2024 11:23 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Update on Jayden: https://www.zagsblog.com/2023/12/31/clas...rformance/

Looks like that might be Odell in the background of that photo too. What a player.