Quote:You were claiming inside knowledge that ASUN schools turned down C-USA and were planning instead to remain in the ASUN and elevate the ASUN to FBS itself (which isn't even possible per NCAA by-laws).

I think you're mostly right here in the sense that there's no chance whatsoever that EKU received an invitation to C-USA and turned it down. I've talked to people. It absolutely did not happen.

With that said, it isn't that NCAA bylaws prohibit an entire conference moving. There's simply no provision to address it which leaves some wiggle room.

One thing we do know about the bylaws is that they do absolutely prohibit a school from moving as an independent in explicit terms...and yet Liberty did that by threatening with a lawsuit. The NCAA has a tendency to back down from well-funded lawsuits, and a group of schools together could have potentially accomplished just that.

It's all kind of moot now, but claiming that it's categorically impossible is jumping the gun at best.

Unprecedented? Absolutely.

Impossible? Eh...maybe.

Athletic article says there's momentum for 12, not much appetite for 14. Mentions Tarleton and EKU as frontrunners. SFA and McNeese also mentioned but belief is they don't have the resources right now.
https://theathletic.com/3682027/2022/10/...-football/

(10-12-2022 10:18 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Athletic article says there's momentum for 12, not much appetite for 14. Mentions Tarleton and EKU as frontrunners. SFA and McNeese also mentioned but belief is they don't have the resources right now.
https://theathletic.com/3682027/2022/10/...-football/

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(10-11-2022 08:41 AM)inutech Wrote:  I wish WKU would have also kept KSU out.

Come on Hilltoppers, step it up.

If you don't want KSU, then who the hell you want? KSU is clearly the best option. Within C-USA's footprint.

(10-11-2022 11:13 AM)Cruhawk Wrote:  Seems like for C-USA its basically down to the ASUN 4 (EKU, APSU, UNA, UCA) as most likely candidates, with a couple WAC schools (namely Tarleton and SFA) on the periphery, I'll throw in McNeese as unlikely dark horses.

My interpretation of the candidates:

EKU - would be blocked by WKU
APSU & UCA - Not sure if they have the facilities/resources, but haven't heard much on them RE: FBS ambitions anyway
UNA - just jumped to DI, may need more time and resources

SFA - Has bigger problems to worry about on a university level and wouldn't be able to justify the costs/resources required right now...but would be open to it later if they can stabilize
Tarleton - would be in the same boat as UNA if not for being located in Texas and being an A&M system member - and having obvious FBS ambitions based on their planned facilities upgrades

ACU - Has the money and nice (albeit small) facilities, I think they could pull it off if they wanted to, but I haven't heard their name pop up much. Basically Tarleton but without as much active desire.

McNeese - lynchpin member of the Southland , has desire but maybe not necessarily the facilities or finances to make it work. Plus they just got their old rival Lamar back. If New Orleans votes to add football and stabilizes further, They may stick around for a bit yet (especially since they'll have a good amount of influence in the Southland).

Think after KSU, C-USA would likely stand pat for now, but secretly hope that SFA joins a larger Texas university system and hires a president amenable to sports to stabilize, then the pitch to jump to FBS may be more palatable (solid basketball home, revives "Battle of Piney Woods", LA Tech relatively closely). If that happens, I could see C-USA adding SFA and either McNeese or Tarleton to get to 12 and split into 2 geographically distinct divisions, scaling back to 10 if NMSU and UTEP get poached by the MWC.

Tarletion State should not be in the conversation. They have not won a conference title at the D1 level yet. They would be way worst then FIU. As a KSU fan I want EKU and SFA. UC do not want to move up, they are also the reason why the SoCo by out is 2M

(10-12-2022 11:50 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 08:41 AM)inutech Wrote:  I wish WKU would have also kept KSU out.

Come on Hilltoppers, step it up.

If you don't want KSU, then who the hell you want? KSU is clearly the best option. Within C-USA's footprint.

Clearly you're new here. He literally doesn't want anyone. Around 85.97866484% of his posts are about wanting to stay at nine teams. His post is not a shot at KSU in any way, shape, or form.

But I'll take asmall one coupled with a compliment. :)

I'd say KSU is absolutely very arguably the best option. I'd probably even say they'd get my vote if I was unbiased. They bring a lot to the table.

But clearly?

Let's see you average more than 5,000 fans a game before we declare absolute clarity. That's not even solid attendance by FCS standards.

(10-12-2022 11:50 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 08:41 AM)inutech Wrote:  I wish WKU would have also kept KSU out.

Come on Hilltoppers, step it up.

If you don't want KSU, then who the hell you want? KSU is clearly the best option. Within C-USA's footprint.

His stance is that nine is fine and ten is bad for a variety of reasons. He wants no additions until someone leaves. Some others feel the same way but apparently the CUSA Board feels differently.

(10-12-2022 11:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 11:13 AM)Cruhawk Wrote:  Seems like for C-USA its basically down to the ASUN 4 (EKU, APSU, UNA, UCA) as most likely candidates, with a couple WAC schools (namely Tarleton and SFA) on the periphery, I'll throw in McNeese as unlikely dark horses.

My interpretation of the candidates:

EKU - would be blocked by WKU
APSU & UCA - Not sure if they have the facilities/resources, but haven't heard much on them RE: FBS ambitions anyway
UNA - just jumped to DI, may need more time and resources

SFA - Has bigger problems to worry about on a university level and wouldn't be able to justify the costs/resources required right now...but would be open to it later if they can stabilize
Tarleton - would be in the same boat as UNA if not for being located in Texas and being an A&M system member - and having obvious FBS ambitions based on their planned facilities upgrades

ACU - Has the money and nice (albeit small) facilities, I think they could pull it off if they wanted to, but I haven't heard their name pop up much. Basically Tarleton but without as much active desire.

McNeese - lynchpin member of the Southland , has desire but maybe not necessarily the facilities or finances to make it work. Plus they just got their old rival Lamar back. If New Orleans votes to add football and stabilizes further, They may stick around for a bit yet (especially since they'll have a good amount of influence in the Southland).

Think after KSU, C-USA would likely stand pat for now, but secretly hope that SFA joins a larger Texas university system and hires a president amenable to sports to stabilize, then the pitch to jump to FBS may be more palatable (solid basketball home, revives "Battle of Piney Woods", LA Tech relatively closely). If that happens, I could see C-USA adding SFA and either McNeese or Tarleton to get to 12 and split into 2 geographically distinct divisions, scaling back to 10 if NMSU and UTEP get poached by the MWC.

Tarletion State should not be in the conversation. They have not won a conference title at the D1 level yet. They would be way worst then FIU. As a KSU fan I want EKU and SFA. UC do not want to move up, they are also the reason why the SoCo by out is 2M

When the AAC took 6 CUSA schools they stated they wanted schools willing to spend on athletics including facilities. Tarleton State is not only willing to do that, they are doing it. It may be a few years down the road but they have a good shot at moving up.

Interestingly, it does appear Tarleton is having a decent year so far in the WAC. They're 4-1. Their next gamw is against SF Austin so that should be a good measuring stick of their progress at the FCS level.

(10-12-2022 12:15 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 11:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 11:13 AM)Cruhawk Wrote:  Seems like for C-USA its basically down to the ASUN 4 (EKU, APSU, UNA, UCA) as most likely candidates, with a couple WAC schools (namely Tarleton and SFA) on the periphery, I'll throw in McNeese as unlikely dark horses.

My interpretation of the candidates:

EKU - would be blocked by WKU
APSU & UCA - Not sure if they have the facilities/resources, but haven't heard much on them RE: FBS ambitions anyway
UNA - just jumped to DI, may need more time and resources

SFA - Has bigger problems to worry about on a university level and wouldn't be able to justify the costs/resources required right now...but would be open to it later if they can stabilize
Tarleton - would be in the same boat as UNA if not for being located in Texas and being an A&M system member - and having obvious FBS ambitions based on their planned facilities upgrades

ACU - Has the money and nice (albeit small) facilities, I think they could pull it off if they wanted to, but I haven't heard their name pop up much. Basically Tarleton but without as much active desire.

McNeese - lynchpin member of the Southland , has desire but maybe not necessarily the facilities or finances to make it work. Plus they just got their old rival Lamar back. If New Orleans votes to add football and stabilizes further, They may stick around for a bit yet (especially since they'll have a good amount of influence in the Southland).

Think after KSU, C-USA would likely stand pat for now, but secretly hope that SFA joins a larger Texas university system and hires a president amenable to sports to stabilize, then the pitch to jump to FBS may be more palatable (solid basketball home, revives "Battle of Piney Woods", LA Tech relatively closely). If that happens, I could see C-USA adding SFA and either McNeese or Tarleton to get to 12 and split into 2 geographically distinct divisions, scaling back to 10 if NMSU and UTEP get poached by the MWC.

Tarletion State should not be in the conversation. They have not won a conference title at the D1 level yet. They would be way worst then FIU. As a KSU fan I want EKU and SFA. UC do not want to move up, they are also the reason why the SoCo by out is 2M

When the AAC took 6 CUSA schools they stated they wanted schools willing to spend on athletics including facilities. Tarleton State is not only willing to do that, they are doing it. It may be a few years down the road but they have a good shot at moving up.

Tarleton State would at least have to win the WAC once and have a playoff run.

Will some of you please explain to me WHY any of those left in the EAST would be a better add than EKU. I get NDSU, not an eastern add anyway. But looks like they are not interested in CUSA, MAC nor the SunBelt, for obvious reasons, distance and travel. I can see Delaware, state school, probably money, but their football history is no better than EKU’s. Saw football history listed as a plus for them, would be no different for EKU, IF that’s a consideration

Missouri State is not an eastern school, so the ONLY university who has prepared for this is EKU. We have the institutional support. Have up graded facilities and continue to do so. If you have not followed this, there’s plenty of info just on this thread alone regarding it. I don’t know the money involved or what EKU has ready for this, evidently it’s there or we would not be actively pursuing it. The frustration here is those who have no idea repeating innuendos that EKU isn’t ready. I would say we are more than prepared. At this point better prepared than KSU, however a moot point as of last week. Certainly more so than Tarleton (western add anyway), APSU. UCA, and any number of others who have expressed no interest in moving up, yet listed as potential choices, and some mythical school “worth waiting ” around for them to prepare.

Just a side note our average attendance has been over 15,000+ for the two home games we have played. KSU last Saturday reported approx 4800, it looked like no more than 2500 on TV. But, hey ya’all got the Atlanta market…if you build it they will come?

This was an interesting excerpt from that athletic article which contradicts what the other dude (Matt Brown?) said a couple days ago.

WKU president and C-USA board chair Tim Caboni said any notion or rumor that WKU would block EKU from joining the conference is “nonsense.”

(10-12-2022 09:46 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  In the interest of accuracy, this is the post that elicited such reaction across a handful of sub-forums on CSNbbs among moderators and members alike:

unalions Wrote:Just to trigger you all further, lol, I’m still being told that all ASUN football schools were invited to CUSA a few months back and all by Liberty and JSU declined “at this time”.

Also, the unconfirmed rumor of all those presidents and ADs being in Florence is that ASUN football schools are putting together a petition to elevate ASUN football to FBS and that Ted thinks it will happen.

You were claiming inside knowledge that ASUN schools turned down C-USA and were planning instead to remain in the ASUN and elevate the ASUN to FBS itself (which isn't even possible per NCAA by-laws).

There are absolutely zero reports of anything that corroborates any of this.

Yes, Ted had some lofty goals. But, just because you can't corroborate something doesn't mean conversations weren't had. Ted was trying his best to save ASUN football, I'm sure. I was also stirring the pot on a message board. Thus, the use of "trigger." LOL.

My main point was that folks on the ASUN board flat-out said none of those ASUN/CUSA Presidents and ADs were at UNA's spring game back in March.

Now, we seem to know more of why CUSA folks would want to come to Florence and mingle with ASUN folks "off the record."

Makes a lot more sense now.

All that said, UNA is NOT ready for FBS at all.

(10-12-2022 12:31 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Interestingly, it does appear Tarleton is having a decent year so far in the WAC. They're 4-1. Their next gamw is against SF Austin so that should be a good measuring stick of their progress at the FCS level.

They have a veteran Head Coach (Todd Whitten) that's guided them through the transition, unlike UNA whose legendary coach retired before the transition.

(10-12-2022 12:42 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This was an interesting excerpt from that athletic article which contradicts what the other dude (Matt Brown?) said a couple days ago.

WKU president and C-USA board chair Tim Caboni said any notion or rumor that WKU would block EKU from joining the conference is “nonsense.”

I literally chuckled when I read that earlier. #DamageControl

(10-12-2022 12:56 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 12:42 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  This was an interesting excerpt from that athletic article which contradicts what the other dude (Matt Brown?) said a couple days ago.

WKU president and C-USA board chair Tim Caboni said any notion or rumor that WKU would block EKU from joining the conference is “nonsense.”

I literally chuckled when I read that earlier. #DamageControl

Or the truth.

(10-12-2022 12:42 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  Will some of you please explain to me WHY any of those left in the EAST would be a better add than EKU. I get NDSU, not an eastern add anyway. But looks like they are not interested in CUSA, MAC nor the SunBelt, for obvious reasons, distance and travel. I can see Delaware, state school, probably money, but their football history is no better than EKU’s. Saw football history listed as a plus for them, would be no different for EKU, IF that’s a consideration

Missouri State is not an eastern school, so the ONLY university who has prepared for this is EKU. We have the institutional support. Have up graded facilities and continue to do so. If you have not followed this, there’s plenty of info just on this thread alone regarding it. I don’t know the money involved or what EKU has ready for this, evidently it’s there or we would not be actively pursuing it. The frustration here is those who have no idea repeating innuendos that EKU isn’t ready. I would say we are more than prepared. At this point better prepared than KSU, however a moot point as of last week. Certainly more so than Tarleton (western add anyway), APSU. UCA, and any number of others who have expressed no interest in moving up, yet listed as potential choices, and some mythical school “worth waiting ” around for them to prepare.

Just a side note our average attendance has been over 15,000+ for the two home games we have played. KSU last Saturday reported approx 4800, it looked like no more than 2500 on TV. But, hey ya’all got the Atlanta market…if you build it they will come?

I am all for EKU joining and I think C-USA should get them but why are you bashing KSU?

KSU budget is also 10M more than EKU and KSU had almost 8K there the game before. So why are you bashing KSU?

As I stated in another thread... The ENTIRE quote from WKU president Caboni is only in the @ChrisVannini twitter feed from today. It is very long (for twitter). Gives a lot of clarity about KSU and EKU with context and more detail. If someone could post (or just retype) that ENTIRE quote here it would be helpful-- signed, Computer dummy. Thank you.

(10-12-2022 12:37 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 12:15 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 11:56 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 11:13 AM)Cruhawk Wrote:  Seems like for C-USA its basically down to the ASUN 4 (EKU, APSU, UNA, UCA) as most likely candidates, with a couple WAC schools (namely Tarleton and SFA) on the periphery, I'll throw in McNeese as unlikely dark horses.

My interpretation of the candidates:

EKU - would be blocked by WKU
APSU & UCA - Not sure if they have the facilities/resources, but haven't heard much on them RE: FBS ambitions anyway
UNA - just jumped to DI, may need more time and resources

SFA - Has bigger problems to worry about on a university level and wouldn't be able to justify the costs/resources required right now...but would be open to it later if they can stabilize
Tarleton - would be in the same boat as UNA if not for being located in Texas and being an A&M system member - and having obvious FBS ambitions based on their planned facilities upgrades

ACU - Has the money and nice (albeit small) facilities, I think they could pull it off if they wanted to, but I haven't heard their name pop up much. Basically Tarleton but without as much active desire.

McNeese - lynchpin member of the Southland , has desire but maybe not necessarily the facilities or finances to make it work. Plus they just got their old rival Lamar back. If New Orleans votes to add football and stabilizes further, They may stick around for a bit yet (especially since they'll have a good amount of influence in the Southland).

Think after KSU, C-USA would likely stand pat for now, but secretly hope that SFA joins a larger Texas university system and hires a president amenable to sports to stabilize, then the pitch to jump to FBS may be more palatable (solid basketball home, revives "Battle of Piney Woods", LA Tech relatively closely). If that happens, I could see C-USA adding SFA and either McNeese or Tarleton to get to 12 and split into 2 geographically distinct divisions, scaling back to 10 if NMSU and UTEP get poached by the MWC.

Tarletion State should not be in the conversation. They have not won a conference title at the D1 level yet. They would be way worst then FIU. As a KSU fan I want EKU and SFA. UC do not want to move up, they are also the reason why the SoCo by out is 2M

When the AAC took 6 CUSA schools they stated they wanted schools willing to spend on athletics including facilities. Tarleton State is not only willing to do that, they are doing it. It may be a few years down the road but they have a good shot at moving up.

Tarleton State would at least have to win the WAC once and have a playoff run.

You're a piece of work. We have definite rumors with legs about KSU joining CUSA and people are bashing the KSU addition. Yet you are looking down at Tarleton and giving all these conditions for their inclusion. SMH...

(10-12-2022 01:54 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  As I stated in another thread... The ENTIRE quote from WKU president Caboni is only in the @ChrisVannini twitter feed from today. It is very long (for twitter). Gives a lot of clarity about KSU and EKU with context and more detail. If someone could post (or just retype) that ENTIRE quote here it would be helpful-- signed, Computer dummy. Thank you.

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