(10-05-2022 12:41 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  I think if this happens then all networks have major risks on their books for politicians, celebrities, and anyone else they've reported on that ended up being in the gray area or outright wrong. That will change the way all news in this country is reported, whether good or bad. It will likely put the current networks out of business with new ones coming up behind them that have to be much more moderate, which neither party likes.

That would be a VERY good thing. On both sides. Report the news. Give the facts. Cut out a lot of the nonsense.

Fully agree. And put the Carlson's, Hannity's, Cooper's and Maddow's out of a job and potentially owe the millions of dollars they've earned by tarnishing opponents names these last 20 years. I would be 100% all about it.

(10-05-2022 12:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  I think if this happens then all networks have major risks on their books for politicians, celebrities, and anyone else they've reported on that ended up being in the gray area or outright wrong. That will change the way all news in this country is reported, whether good or bad. It will likely put the current networks out of business with new ones coming up behind them that have to be much more moderate, which neither party likes.

What CNN, MSNBC and to a lesser extent, ABC, CBS and NBC have done is way over the top on anything that has been done before (at least in the post WWII era).

They can still be propaganda, but they have to quit lying.

This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  I think if this happens then all networks have major risks on their books for politicians, celebrities, and anyone else they've reported on that ended up being in the gray area or outright wrong. That will change the way all news in this country is reported, whether good or bad. It will likely put the current networks out of business with new ones coming up behind them that have to be much more moderate, which neither party likes.

What CNN, MSNBC and to a lesser extent, ABC, CBS and NBC have done is way over the top on anything that has been done before (at least in the post WWII era).

They can still be propaganda, but they have to quit lying.

I see you left out Fox, OAN, etc... they clearly have lied themselves. It would take ALL of them out.

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's an interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

(10-05-2022 01:04 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's in interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

Well maybe you can answer this, and understand this is just a question and I'm not questioning you whatsoever..

What's happened in the last decade or so that has caused journalism to make sure their slant is shown and not just report it down the middle? To me it seems like no matter the network, they say here's the facts then they cherry pick things to make the other side look bad instead of putting it all out there.

(10-05-2022 12:45 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:41 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  I think if this happens then all networks have major risks on their books for politicians, celebrities, and anyone else they've reported on that ended up being in the gray area or outright wrong. That will change the way all news in this country is reported, whether good or bad. It will likely put the current networks out of business with new ones coming up behind them that have to be much more moderate, which neither party likes.

That would be a VERY good thing. On both sides. Report the news. Give the facts. Cut out a lot of the nonsense.

Fully agree. And put the Carlson's, Hannity's, Cooper's and Maddow's out of a job and potentially owe the millions of dollars they've earned by tarnishing opponents names these last 20 years. I would be 100% all about it.

They wouldn't be out of jobs, necessarily. But, they would have to be more judicious with their editorial commentary.

(10-05-2022 01:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:04 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's in interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

Well maybe you can answer this, and understand this is just a question and I'm not questioning you whatsoever..

What's happened in the last decade or so that has caused journalism to make sure their slant is shown and not just report it down the middle? To me it seems like no matter the network, they say here's the facts then they cherry pick things to make the other side look bad instead of putting it all out there.

I don't have Bill Dazzle's insider resume, so my opinion is worthless. But I'll offer it anyway because I think it a fascinating question.

I peg it to Dan Rather's memogate. There was plenty of narrative-driven journalism before that, but none so high profile.

(10-05-2022 01:42 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:04 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's in interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

Well maybe you can answer this, and understand this is just a question and I'm not questioning you whatsoever..

What's happened in the last decade or so that has caused journalism to make sure their slant is shown and not just report it down the middle? To me it seems like no matter the network, they say here's the facts then they cherry pick things to make the other side look bad instead of putting it all out there.

I don't have Bill Dazzle's insider resume, so my opinion is worthless. But I'll offer it anyway because I think it a fascinating question.

I peg it to Dan Rather's memogate. There was plenty of narrative-driven journalism before that, but none so high profile.

Dan Rather is a hack.

(10-05-2022 11:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I don't think his intent is to win. I don't think the intent is for it to go to court.

If CNN settles, Trump will claim victory.

If CNN takes it to court, Trump will claim victory because he'll air their dirty laundry for all to see, probably more than watch their network now.

Absolutely…well stated

(10-05-2022 01:49 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 11:36 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I don't think his intent is to win. I don't think the intent is for it to go to court.

If CNN settles, Trump will claim victory.

If CNN takes it to court, Trump will claim victory because he'll air their dirty laundry for all to see, probably more than watch their network now.

Absolutely…well stated

Trump's an ego maniac. That is both his strength and his weakness. His strength in that he won't pick a fight unless he knows he can win.. But his weakness because sometimes he fights over petty stuff.

I learned early in his presidency not to pay attention to what he did in public, watch what he's actually doing, everything else is a show. I would've preferred for him to be a little more professional in several instances, but when we needed a fighter he wasn't scared to do so.

The best leaders I’ve dealt with have big egos. They also have no fear.

But they’re always the smartest person in the room. And they’ll tell you that if asked.

Part of the reason Trump was a really good President. Great actually.

(10-05-2022 03:05 PM)450bench Wrote:  The best leaders I’ve dealt with have big egos. They also have no fear.

But they’re always the smartest person in the room. And they’ll tell you that if asked.

Part of the reason Trump was a really good President. Great actually.

Bigly

(10-05-2022 03:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 03:05 PM)450bench Wrote:  The best leaders I’ve dealt with have big egos. They also have no fear.

But they’re always the smartest person in the room. And they’ll tell you that if asked.

Part of the reason Trump was a really good President. Great actually.

Bigly

And they fact that they are usually surrounded by people that are afraid to say “no” or tell them the truth plays no part in it?

(10-05-2022 11:18 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 11:06 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:27 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Fox is conservative.
NBC, abc, cbs, pbs, cnn, msnbc, the Washington post, the New York Times, msn and many, many others are liberal.

I guess you libs just can’t stand the fact that conservatives have one outlet while you have so many. Typical though.

I’d say if this breaks for Trump, it’s the left learners that should be scared.

Stop with the Fox News as a “loner in the fight” persecution as some kind of bastion of honest news. There are other outlets. Or you just don’t know them because the Fox News model is not as popular as you think.

Please name them.

You’re so freaking biased that you can’t acknowledge the truth. Just like the rest of your demented party. Thanks for making my argument for me.

And again, if Trump were to win this lawsuit, the news business, or fake news I should say, will be on the phone with their attorneys non-stop spending billions.

I hope he sues Adam Schitt too

And by the way, Fox News programming has, what, the top 6 or 8 spots in cable ratings? And by a mammoth margin. Including the number 1 late night show in the country with Gutfeld?

Yeah I guess they’re not very popular. Lol

Wow you are deluded. Fox has the top spots for CABLE NEWS. They big 3 nightly new trounces them all. And these 6 or 8 spots all tend to be the same Fox loyalists.

Trump is not winning this lawsuit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=media+bi...=653&dpr=2

Tell us again how Fox is all alone out there.

A. I said cable in my prior post

B. I never said Trump would win this lawsuit

C. I asked you to name the other conservative leaning station, which you did not.

I provided a link to a chart showing media bias for news outlets. You ignored it. Newsmax and OAN. Or did they already fizzle out because there is no market for that outside of Fox?

(10-05-2022 01:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:04 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's in interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

Well maybe you can answer this, and understand this is just a question and I'm not questioning you whatsoever..

What's happened in the last decade or so that has caused journalism to make sure their slant is shown and not just report it down the middle? To me it seems like no matter the network, they say here's the facts then they cherry pick things to make the other side look bad instead of putting it all out there.

There are multiple explanations for it, gdunn.

But one is simple to explain: With the rise of the Internet, printed newspapers began to face lots of competition from blogsites, boutique media, specialty on-line pubs, etc. Thus the "big boy morning dailies" took major hits to their ad revenues. Salaries have tanked, with print pubs now able to lure mainly young folks who are idealistic and hyper "let's do something good for my community." They are willing to work for modest pay for "the love of the game." And such people (you see this with nonprofits, the arts, music, etc.) tend to lean left (and often strongly so) on the socio-political scale. And unless you are militantly determined to keep you biases in check, they will show in your media work. Sadly, it happens all the time.

I am one of the most liberal posters on this board. But compared to the young journalists with whom I work, I might as well be Sean Hannity (ouch, I feel unclean). Still, I'm honest enough to see that it's a disgrace how the left-leaning members of my profession have brutalized that profession, soiling the legacy of work done by pros who kept their biases contained when reporting.

I sometimes feel ashamed — and often feel discouraged.

This lawsuit won't just be thrown out; it'll be laughed out.

(10-05-2022 01:42 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:04 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This left-leaning print journalist will acknowledge CNN strongly skews left. It's glaring.

They have always skewed left. Its just in the last 10 years or so they have skewed away from the truth and any hint of objectivity. They used to be honest left.

That's in interesting observation, Bullet. I remember in the 1990s that CNN did a solid job of being more "centrist" than "left leaning." Those days are long gone.

I sometimes shake my head to think that Anderson Cooper is part of 60 Minutes, a formerly old-school broadcast journalism program that has no business having a openly left-leaning (or right-leaning, for that matter) "journalist" on its team.

For this journalist, it is sad.

Well maybe you can answer this, and understand this is just a question and I'm not questioning you whatsoever..

What's happened in the last decade or so that has caused journalism to make sure their slant is shown and not just report it down the middle? To me it seems like no matter the network, they say here's the facts then they cherry pick things to make the other side look bad instead of putting it all out there.

I don't have Bill Dazzle's insider resume, so my opinion is worthless. But I'll offer it anyway because I think it a fascinating question.

I peg it to Dan Rather's memogate. There was plenty of narrative-driven journalism before that, but none so high profile.

A fine example, AM.

(10-05-2022 04:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 11:18 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 11:06 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 10:27 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Stop with the Fox News as a “loner in the fight” persecution as some kind of bastion of honest news. There are other outlets. Or you just don’t know them because the Fox News model is not as popular as you think.

Please name them.

You’re so freaking biased that you can’t acknowledge the truth. Just like the rest of your demented party. Thanks for making my argument for me.

And again, if Trump were to win this lawsuit, the news business, or fake news I should say, will be on the phone with their attorneys non-stop spending billions.

I hope he sues Adam Schitt too

And by the way, Fox News programming has, what, the top 6 or 8 spots in cable ratings? And by a mammoth margin. Including the number 1 late night show in the country with Gutfeld?

Yeah I guess they’re not very popular. Lol

Wow you are deluded. Fox has the top spots for CABLE NEWS. They big 3 nightly new trounces them all. And these 6 or 8 spots all tend to be the same Fox loyalists.

Trump is not winning this lawsuit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=media+bi...=653&dpr=2

Tell us again how Fox is all alone out there.

A. I said cable in my prior post

B. I never said Trump would win this lawsuit

C. I asked you to name the other conservative leaning station, which you did not.

I provided a link to a chart showing media bias for news outlets. You ignored it. Newsmax and OAN. Or did they already fizzle out because there is no market for that outside of Fox?

Those are great examples. You’re right. So conservatives have 3 and to your point, no mainstream conservative outlets. And yet you libs blast those outlets, particularly the highest rated cable news network. Fox.
And you blast conservatives for tuning in. But it’s fine for you to have every mainstream network right?
See that’s why your hypocritical stance gets blasted in places like this one.