So let me get this straight...

A guy pushes a guy who then fell down. And gets his door kicked in by the FBI ???

Were the FBI agents wearing brown shirts by chance???

(09-25-2022 08:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:16 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:33 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-24-2022 06:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  This sh*tbird right here is waiting on TaintTonic to come on here and tell us again how its cool what the DOJ is doing.

I'm thinking he won't touch this.

There well could be a bad act here. But all that I have seen comes from a few blog posts on it. But they seem to have a very serious slant and bias attached to them.

The stories between the FBI press release and the person being charged kind of diverge significantly about the underlying incident.

If the ministers story about him being accosted is more of the truth than the account where there was a verbal altercation without the added issues that the minister put in his account, then there is a big issue of whether the assault on the elderly abortion clinic worker is justified or not.

And no, I don’t think lifesitehome would be the best place to get unbiased accounts. Nor is RedState which I am a regular reader of. Just saying. At the same time I dont put full faith in the FBI release on the event either.

Sorry to disappoint you UstatePolytech.

Glad to see your Beavis mode is operating on full glory.

Rather than calling it out for what it is you issue an ambiguous remark like your opening sentence.

I suggest you read it in the entirety. That is instead of laser focusing in isolation one sentence.

Quote:To summarize, it's fine that the freakin FBI swat team showed up with 25-30 heavily armed agents to serve a warrant rather than sending a local patrol car for what should have been a routine process.

Again…. Read. Please note specifically where I said it was fine.

Further, you might note this was a Federal charge. Feds almost never ‘send a local patrol car’ for one of their apprehensions.

Further, I have zero idea what other sort of issues might have popped up in the minister that led to the determination on how to arrest.

Nor do you.

But I guess you are the expert.

For consideration —- the same old man was assaulted on two different occasions. We don’t know if the minister protested in the silent sit down style on a regular basis, or was known to be an in your face antagonistic type. If the latter, I could understand the use of that force.

But I don’t know. Yet you can magically ascertain that. I guess that reporting from that sole rather biased blog site is good enough for you to slurp down with all sorts of things that you magically ascertain in one way, and according without hesitation in the way they ‘report’ it.

I’d prefer to know more background, and something more than from “lifestylehome” before I jump one way or another.

Quote:You're out of your mind, if you don't understand that the DOJ and FBI have been weaponized then there's just no help for you. Your views appear to be naively rooted in how criminal law is SUPPOSED to be conducted while not realizing the rule of law in this country has been severely subverted over the last two years. Unless you're part of the ruling class or the elites it has all but been cast aside.

Preferring to know more than just what lifestylehome.com says on a matter is now a bad thing. Got it. Lolz.

(09-25-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 08:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:16 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:33 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-24-2022 06:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  This sh*tbird right here is waiting on TaintTonic to come on here and tell us again how its cool what the DOJ is doing.

I'm thinking he won't touch this.

There well could be a bad act here. But all that I have seen comes from a few blog posts on it. But they seem to have a very serious slant and bias attached to them.

The stories between the FBI press release and the person being charged kind of diverge significantly about the underlying incident.

If the ministers story about him being accosted is more of the truth than the account where there was a verbal altercation without the added issues that the minister put in his account, then there is a big issue of whether the assault on the elderly abortion clinic worker is justified or not.

And no, I don’t think lifesitehome would be the best place to get unbiased accounts. Nor is RedState which I am a regular reader of. Just saying. At the same time I dont put full faith in the FBI release on the event either.

Sorry to disappoint you UstatePolytech.

Glad to see your Beavis mode is operating on full glory.

Rather than calling it out for what it is you issue an ambiguous remark like your opening sentence.

I suggest you read it in the entirety. That is instead of laser focusing in isolation one sentence.

Quote:To summarize, it's fine that the freakin FBI swat team showed up with 25-30 heavily armed agents to serve a warrant rather than sending a local patrol car for what should have been a routine process.

Again…. Read. Please note specifically where I said it was fine.

Further, you might note this was a Federal charge. Feds almost never ‘send a local patrol car’ for one of their apprehensions.

Further, I have zero idea what other sort of issues might have popped up in the minister that led to the determination on how to arrest.

Nor do you.

But I guess you are the expert.

For consideration —- the same old man was assaulted on two different occasions. We don’t know if the minister protested in the silent sit down style on a regular basis, or was known to be an in your face antagonistic type. If the latter, I could understand the use of that force.

But I don’t know. Yet you can magically ascertain that. I guess that reporting from that sole rather biased blog site is good enough for you to slurp down with all sorts of things that you magically ascertain in one way, and according without hesitation in the way they ‘report’ it.

I’d prefer to know more background, and something more than from “lifestylehome” before I jump one way or another.

Quote:You're out of your mind, if you don't understand that the DOJ and FBI have been weaponized then there's just no help for you. Your views appear to be naively rooted in how criminal law is SUPPOSED to be conducted while not realizing the rule of law in this country has been severely subverted over the last two years. Unless you're part of the ruling class or the elites it has all but been cast aside.

Preferring to know more than just what lifestylehome.com says on a matter is now a bad thing. Got it. Lolz.

Preferring to abandon common sense is definitely a bad thing. Don't believe your lying eyes!! Tell me what possible justification there is for an action like this over what amounts to simple assault, a misdemeanor at best.

(09-25-2022 10:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 08:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:16 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:33 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I'm thinking he won't touch this.

There well could be a bad act here. But all that I have seen comes from a few blog posts on it. But they seem to have a very serious slant and bias attached to them.

The stories between the FBI press release and the person being charged kind of diverge significantly about the underlying incident.

If the ministers story about him being accosted is more of the truth than the account where there was a verbal altercation without the added issues that the minister put in his account, then there is a big issue of whether the assault on the elderly abortion clinic worker is justified or not.

And no, I don’t think lifesitehome would be the best place to get unbiased accounts. Nor is RedState which I am a regular reader of. Just saying. At the same time I dont put full faith in the FBI release on the event either.

Sorry to disappoint you UstatePolytech.

Glad to see your Beavis mode is operating on full glory.

Rather than calling it out for what it is you issue an ambiguous remark like your opening sentence.

I suggest you read it in the entirety. That is instead of laser focusing in isolation one sentence.

Quote:To summarize, it's fine that the freakin FBI swat team showed up with 25-30 heavily armed agents to serve a warrant rather than sending a local patrol car for what should have been a routine process.

Again…. Read. Please note specifically where I said it was fine.

Further, you might note this was a Federal charge. Feds almost never ‘send a local patrol car’ for one of their apprehensions.

Further, I have zero idea what other sort of issues might have popped up in the minister that led to the determination on how to arrest.

Nor do you.

But I guess you are the expert.

For consideration —- the same old man was assaulted on two different occasions. We don’t know if the minister protested in the silent sit down style on a regular basis, or was known to be an in your face antagonistic type. If the latter, I could understand the use of that force.

But I don’t know. Yet you can magically ascertain that. I guess that reporting from that sole rather biased blog site is good enough for you to slurp down with all sorts of things that you magically ascertain in one way, and according without hesitation in the way they ‘report’ it.

I’d prefer to know more background, and something more than from “lifestylehome” before I jump one way or another.

Quote:You're out of your mind, if you don't understand that the DOJ and FBI have been weaponized then there's just no help for you. Your views appear to be naively rooted in how criminal law is SUPPOSED to be conducted while not realizing the rule of law in this country has been severely subverted over the last two years. Unless you're part of the ruling class or the elites it has all but been cast aside.

Preferring to know more than just what lifestylehome.com says on a matter is now a bad thing. Got it. Lolz.

Preferring to abandon common sense is definitely a bad thing. Don't believe your lying eyes!! Tell me what possible justification there is for an action like this over what amounts to simple assault, a misdemeanor at best.

I’ll take that as you think lifestylehome.com is the sin qua non of zero bias, and fully complete reporting and nothing else should ever be consulted or considered.

I really don’t take that necessarily as so.

The sheer horror of that I guess.

And had you actually looked, the charges are not misdemeanors. An assault that causes injury when directed at a reproductive rights center worker can garner 10 years. There were at least two incidents of assault, and the guy assaulted was 72 years old.

As I said, I don’t have an opinion on this. But just even based on what can be gleaned from the vaunted news source of lifestylehome.com and the fbi release —- there is a world of items that you seemingly leave out in your rush to tell me how horrible I am for reserving my opinion on this. Who would’ve thunk….

(09-25-2022 11:45 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Honestly, if the perps of the attacks on the pro life centers become known, they should have the book thrown at them

I guess the twitter author doesn’t realize that the perps of the attacks on pro life centers aren’t known, and somehow wants to construct a whadaboutism between a crime that has a known perpetrator and many that do not have known perps. The lengths that some go to construct a shriil whadabout is impressive.
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(09-25-2022 11:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  reserving my opinion on this.

I know that I am one of the slow kids when it comes to forum protocols, but would’ve thought “reserving my opinion” on an opinion forum means not commenting. But that of course is not what your are doing.

You are offer only one-sided posts directed only at those who express concern for yet another apparent instance of thug-like behavior from the D.o.J.

Claiming in that context to be “reserving my opinion” is the definition of passive/aggressive behavior. It is akin to Jon Stewart directing nasty slurs, only ever at conservatives, and then claiming to just be a comedian when called on it.

Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

(09-25-2022 11:58 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 11:45 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Honestly, if the perps of the attacks on the pro life centers become known, they should have the book thrown at them

I guess the twitter author doesn’t realize that the perps of the attacks on pro life centers aren’t known, and somehow wants to construct a whadaboutism between a crime that has a known perpetrator and many that do not have known perps. The lengths that some go to construct a shriil whadabout is impressive.
.

1. They aren't known because those crimes aren't even being investigated with any rigor. They sure as hell aren't being investigated by the F.I.B.

2. If they "become known", I guarantee you the F.I.B. won't show up 20-30 strong with weapons drawn.

3. Its quite obvious what this is and you can't bring yourself to admit it.

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(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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The charge is related to an incident in October 2021. As Houck was counseling outside of a Planned Parenthood office, a pro-abortion protester uttered threats at him and threatened his son. Houck responded by pushing the man away from his son. He was never charged by police and the pro-abortion protester failed in an attempt to sue Houck.

I wonder why his lawsuit failed and he was never charged ?

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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Absolutely not correct at all. There are myriad reasons other than a video recording a murder to arrest someone this way. I don’t know if any of this was warranted because I don’t know the whole story yet.

But I still just want to see the video.

(09-25-2022 01:09 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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Absolutely not correct at all. There are myriad reasons other than a video recording a murder to arrest someone this way. I don’t know if any of this was warranted because I don’t know the whole story yet.

But I still just want to see the video.

No there isn't, if there was an altercation of any kind it should not involve the FBI unless there was a death.

Period

But we already know there wasn't much to this because the local police didn't charge the man and the civil suit was thrown out.

We all know what this and I don't need a video to determine otherwise.



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(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The charge is related to an incident in October 2021. As Houck was counseling outside of a Planned Parenthood office, a pro-abortion protester uttered threats at him and threatened his son. Houck responded by pushing the man away from his son. He was never charged by police and the pro-abortion protester failed in an attempt to sue Houck.

I wonder why his lawsuit failed and he was never charged ?

There's video of what happened. The man who was saying **** to Houck's son harassed them down the street after they left the PP Center. That's when the shove occurred.

(09-25-2022 01:40 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The charge is related to an incident in October 2021. As Houck was counseling outside of a Planned Parenthood office, a pro-abortion protester uttered threats at him and threatened his son. Houck responded by pushing the man away from his son. He was never charged by police and the pro-abortion protester failed in an attempt to sue Houck.

I wonder why his lawsuit failed and he was never charged ?

There's video of what happened. The man who was saying **** to Houck's son harassed them down the street after they left the PP Center. That's when the shove occurred.

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Exactamundo. Spot on.

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

(09-25-2022 01:40 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The charge is related to an incident in October 2021. As Houck was counseling outside of a Planned Parenthood office, a pro-abortion protester uttered threats at him and threatened his son. Houck responded by pushing the man away from his son. He was never charged by police and the pro-abortion protester failed in an attempt to sue Houck.

I wonder why his lawsuit failed and he was never charged ?

There's video of what happened. The man who was saying **** to Houck's son harassed them down the street after they left the PP Center. That's when the shove occurred.

Is there any link to the video?

(09-25-2022 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

Geezus H

You're hopeless if you believe this is anything other than a gestapo type arrest.

The person in charge of this is a radical marxist goon... with Garland riding in the back seat, also a marxist goon. Just read any of her ramblings. I wonder why there hasn't been any arrests in the pregnancy center crimes... I wonder.





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(09-25-2022 03:32 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

Geezus H

You're hopeless if you believe this is anything other than a gestapo type arrest.

The person in charge of this is a radical marxist goon... with Garland riding in the back seat, also a marxist goon. Just read any of her ramblings.





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Hate to tell you that adding the adjectives 'radical marxist', and 'gestapo type', along with the implied adjective embedded in the noun 'goon' really dont add any facts. Maybe you think that by throwing those words out there it makes it so?

Look, I said I am reserving judgement on this. Show me me *facts* in the *specific matter* that show it is a bad charge, or a bad arrest.

Not adjectives, not *your* supposition, not *your* opinion on 'goon'. Facts.

Quote:I wonder why there hasn't been any arrests in the pregnancy center crimes... I wonder.

I dont know. Why dont you tell us keemosabe. Again -- *facts*. In the alternative, I always like to watch empty air aerobics in action.

Im sure you have the whataboutism answer for us.

Here is another -- "I wonder why there hasnt been any arrests in the Zodiac killer crimes.... I wonder." Interestingly the answer to mine above is probably the exact same as your extended pondering about life, the universe, and everything.