This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of archaic laws that are on the books....but ONLY to their political opposites.

This minister is now being deliberately railroaded for such treatment because he supports a Pro Life Center. We already know there are about 20 individuals who have been held in a DC jail, denied decent food and medical treatment, and ZERO access to legal counsel for OVER A YEAR over allegations of things that occurred on Jan 6.

The Biden* DOJ is seriously doing all it can to get the conservative right to simply REACT. Then the Biden* DOJ will immediately label it as "overreaction" by their lapdog media support team.

That is the core objective of this stunningly inept and arrogant Administration. Every bizarre action they take; every US citizen they deliberately target for unjust treatment is simply because of the Biden* Administration's seething HATRED of Trump.

Their immense FEAR of Trump running again in 2024 borders on paranoia....as do the THOUSANDS of supporters that pack the house/stadium at the MAGA rallies.

I do not recognize this country anymore. I no longer trust the DOJ nor the FBI particularly those in management roles. Too many are compromised career Deep State insiders. I wish the rank & file agents no harm because certainly MOST of them are decent, normal people simply following orders from the decision-makers above them.

It is $H!T like this which will expedite the end of the USA as we know it. The USA had a good run but it ends in about 40-50 years.

(09-25-2022 04:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 03:32 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

Geezus H

You're hopeless if you believe this is anything other than a gestapo type arrest.

The person in charge of this is a radical marxist goon... with Garland riding in the back seat, also a marxist goon. Just read any of her ramblings.





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Hate to tell you that adding the adjectives 'radical marxist', and 'gestapo type', along with the implied adjective embedded in the noun 'goon' really dont add any facts. Maybe you think that by throwing those words out there it makes it so?

Look, I said I am reserving judgement on this. Show me me *facts* in the *specific matter* that show it is a bad charge, or a bad arrest.

Not adjectives, not *your* supposition, not *your* opinion on 'goon'. Facts.

Quote:I wonder why there hasn't been any arrests in the pregnancy center crimes... I wonder.

I dont know. Why dont you tell us keemosabe. Again -- *facts*. In the alternative, I always like to watch empty air aerobics in action.

Im sure you have the whataboutism answer for us.

Here is another -- "I wonder why there hasnt been any arrests in the Zodiac killer crimes.... I wonder." Interestingly the answer to mine above is probably the exact same as your extended pondering about life, the universe, and everything.

It's not my opinion they are marxist leftist goons, their words and opinions speak for themselves.

Do some research on your own if you don't know anything about the assistant AG and AG. I assume you're just ignorant of their philosophy.

I've provided words of the individual in charge of this case (and the lack of cases in the pregnancy center crimes). It's no suprise what her priorities are.

If you truly feel anything in this case indicates it was appropriate to unleash 20-30 armed F.I.B. on this family, youre an even bigger dbag then you let on... ill reserve my opinion on how big of a dbag you are BTW

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(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

The same law covers pregnancy and pro-life clinics. They have seen over 30 crimes committed against these clinics in the last few months. None have been solved, no real criminals indicted, and the FIB and DOJ refuse to indicate if they are being investigated.

I assume they are just that incompetent?



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(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.


Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video). Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

If there is a stage 5 for TDS, we are seeing it in Tainttonic.

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

(09-25-2022 05:11 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 03:32 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

Geezus H

You're hopeless if you believe this is anything other than a gestapo type arrest.

The person in charge of this is a radical marxist goon... with Garland riding in the back seat, also a marxist goon. Just read any of her ramblings.





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Hate to tell you that adding the adjectives 'radical marxist', and 'gestapo type', along with the implied adjective embedded in the noun 'goon' really dont add any facts. Maybe you think that by throwing those words out there it makes it so?

Look, I said I am reserving judgement on this. Show me me *facts* in the *specific matter* that show it is a bad charge, or a bad arrest.

Not adjectives, not *your* supposition, not *your* opinion on 'goon'. Facts.

Quote:I wonder why there hasn't been any arrests in the pregnancy center crimes... I wonder.

I dont know. Why dont you tell us keemosabe. Again -- *facts*. In the alternative, I always like to watch empty air aerobics in action.

Im sure you have the whataboutism answer for us.

Here is another -- "I wonder why there hasnt been any arrests in the Zodiac killer crimes.... I wonder." Interestingly the answer to mine above is probably the exact same as your extended pondering about life, the universe, and everything.

It's not my opinion they are marxist leftist goons, their words and opinions speak for themselves.

Do some research on your own if you don't know anything about the assistant AG and AG. I assume you're just ignorant of their philosophy.

Ive read a number of Garland's opinions from the bench. While there is stuff in some I dont agree with, I dont think I have ever seen anything 'Marxist' in them.

Hyperbole from you?

Quote:I've provided words of the individual in charge of this case (and the lack of cases in the pregnancy center crimes). It's no suprise what her priorities are.

I agree that the people who attacked pro-life centers post Dobbs should be charged. But somehow you all equate not charging someone who hasnt been found as wholly full of injustice with charging someone who ostensibly did something on tape and fully identified.

Sounds stupid.

What other crimes should go uncharged, even when a suspect is known, because the perpetrators whom attacked pro-life centers post Dobbs havent been identified? Sounds like a real bollocks of method you seemingly propose there.

Quote:If you truly feel anything in this case indicates it was appropriate to unleash 20-30 armed F.I.B. on this family,

I told you I dont have an opinion. Things that would be pertinent would be if the dude was a 'just picket style' demonstrator, or more of an 'in your face' demonstrator. The former leans toward the reaction not being appropriate, and the latter leans towards using as much as you felt comfortable with.

And, this is a potential 10 year crime he is being charged with. Given that, I wouldnt begrudge the Feds of using the equivalent of a felony arrest warrant protocol. Not just that, the underlying crime is one involving violence.

Quote:youre an even bigger dbag then you let on

Wow, a dbag because I want to know the background above. And consider that this is effectively a felony arrest on a crime involving violence. Honestly, i would hope that the DOJ and its members take every opportunity to be as safe as they feel they need to be in a felony arrest raid --- and one that involves a crime of violence.

Should I mark you up as you dont give a **** about those types of safety issues there?

(09-25-2022 05:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.

Awww.... poow widdwe boy has to resort to name calling. Lolz.

Quote:Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video).

Great, its on video. Have you seen it? I would love to see it myself. This is the second time you have tried that 'its on video' kryptonite, and, heck, instead of jabbering about lets see it.

Quote:Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

They are SWAT guys now? How do you know they are SWAT guys, and not normal agents on a felony arrest raid? Or does 'SWAT' just get your rhetoric motor running?

Well, I suggest you see my post above re: what his 'demonstrating style' is. That is pertinent.

If he is a 'lets just walk with a sign' type guy -- that tends against the 10's of agents. If he is am 'in your face' type demonstrator --- that cuts against your comment of no violence. None of us know this, yet you go headfirst into the 'no violence camp' above, if you didnt notice.

Lastly, I dont begrudge *any* LE officer or agency an opportunity to make sure of their safety in any arrest. This is seemingly a felony arrest. A felony arrest based on a crime of violence. No one knows how a guy who is going to push a 72 year old to the street and injure him is going to react to being arrested. Ask any cop about that.

But yet you seemingly think that there is zero reason to take that into account. Got it. Sounds fun.

Quote:This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Nice solid conclusory statement. Albeit with little to know factual basis. Fun fun fun.

Quote:Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

Why was it thrown out?

I mean, I looked that deep journalism from lifestylehome.com over, and never found any answers to those every pertinent questions -- but somehow you have all the answers.

PS: If you are still in Las Cruces NM, hope you still hit La Posta. I grew up with that place and always have a craving for it still. Even those of us with our heads up our asses (as you seemingly whine about) like La Posta.

(09-25-2022 06:42 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

(09-25-2022 07:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:42 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

Oh come on now you can do better than that for a reply. Deflect there some, now do OJ.

(09-25-2022 07:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

The suits got thrown out because after the fact there really is no appropriate remedy. As I have said before, once fraudulent votes get into the ballot box, they aren't coming back out. Voting fraudsters know this and use it to their advantage.

As I have also said before, I don't know whether or not Trump lost the 2020 election fair and square. And neither do you or anyone else, because with the current state of our election fraud controls, there is no way to know.

(09-25-2022 05:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.


Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video). Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

Its just not hard to admit that barring some dramatic new bit of information that sending a swat team to the mans house is totally absurd and disgusting.

It should be a very simple thing to admit if that's all there is than this action was terribly wrong and can't be the way the FBI and Justice department operate.

But Tanq just can't bring himself to say it.

He can fantasize a gazillion hypothetical reasons why it could be justified without any proof at all, but he can't admit if those things didn't happen then this is disgustingly corrupt.

That says it all about where he is coming from.

(09-25-2022 07:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:42 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

Says the guy who rails about whataboutism…it’s always been a dumb line of argumentation invented by some leftist hack and promulgated by left wing, late night comedians, but there’s some hypocrisy on your part there, no?

(09-25-2022 07:19 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.

Awww.... poow widdwe boy has to resort to name calling. Lolz.

Quote:Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video).

Great, its on video. Have you seen it? I would love to see it myself. This is the second time you have tried that 'its on video' kryptonite, and, heck, instead of jabbering about lets see it.

Quote:Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

They are SWAT guys now? How do you know they are SWAT guys, and not normal agents on a felony arrest raid? Or does 'SWAT' just get your rhetoric motor running?

Well, I suggest you see my post above re: what his 'demonstrating style' is. That is pertinent.

If he is a 'lets just walk with a sign' type guy -- that tends against the 10's of agents. If he is am 'in your face' type demonstrator --- that cuts against your comment of no violence. None of us know this, yet you go headfirst into the 'no violence camp' above, if you didnt notice.

Lastly, I dont begrudge *any* LE officer or agency an opportunity to make sure of their safety in any arrest. This is seemingly a felony arrest. A felony arrest based on a crime of violence. No one knows how a guy who is going to push a 72 year old to the street and injure him is going to react to being arrested. Ask any cop about that.

But yet you seemingly think that there is zero reason to take that into account. Got it. Sounds fun.

Quote:This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Nice solid conclusory statement. Albeit with little to know factual basis. Fun fun fun.

Quote:Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

Why was it thrown out?

I mean, I looked that deep journalism from lifestylehome.com over, and never found any answers to those every pertinent questions -- but somehow you have all the answers.

PS: If you are still in Las Cruces NM, hope you still hit La Posta. I grew up with that place and always have a craving for it still. Even those of us with our heads up our asses (as you seemingly whine about) like La Posta.

Your lack of self awareness is shocking. Seek help.

(09-25-2022 09:49 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 07:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:42 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

Says the guy who rails about whataboutism…it’s always been a dumb line of argumentation invented by some leftist hack and promulgated by left wing, late night comedians, but there’s some hypocrisy on your part there, no?

Im simply using his thesis that if a lawsuit is thrown out of court that tells him nothing happened.

Trumps lawsuits were thrown out of court, so that should tell him nothing happened there.

If he says he doesnt think Trump won despite losing every lawsuit, that tends to show his thesis is spotty.

(09-25-2022 09:53 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 07:19 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.

Awww.... poow widdwe boy has to resort to name calling. Lolz.

Quote:Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video).

Great, its on video. Have you seen it? I would love to see it myself. This is the second time you have tried that 'its on video' kryptonite, and, heck, instead of jabbering about lets see it.

Quote:Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

They are SWAT guys now? How do you know they are SWAT guys, and not normal agents on a felony arrest raid? Or does 'SWAT' just get your rhetoric motor running?

Well, I suggest you see my post above re: what his 'demonstrating style' is. That is pertinent.

If he is a 'lets just walk with a sign' type guy -- that tends against the 10's of agents. If he is am 'in your face' type demonstrator --- that cuts against your comment of no violence. None of us know this, yet you go headfirst into the 'no violence camp' above, if you didnt notice.

Lastly, I dont begrudge *any* LE officer or agency an opportunity to make sure of their safety in any arrest. This is seemingly a felony arrest. A felony arrest based on a crime of violence. No one knows how a guy who is going to push a 72 year old to the street and injure him is going to react to being arrested. Ask any cop about that.

But yet you seemingly think that there is zero reason to take that into account. Got it. Sounds fun.

Quote:This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Nice solid conclusory statement. Albeit with little to know factual basis. Fun fun fun.

Quote:Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

Why was it thrown out?

I mean, I looked that deep journalism from lifestylehome.com over, and never found any answers to those every pertinent questions -- but somehow you have all the answers.

PS: If you are still in Las Cruces NM, hope you still hit La Posta. I grew up with that place and always have a craving for it still. Even those of us with our heads up our asses (as you seemingly whine about) like La Posta.

Your lack of self awareness is shocking. Seek help.

Yeah, saying someone is immature as **** for posting a pic saying one has their head up their ass is so amazingly equivalent to, well.... lol... posting a pic saying one has their head up their ass.

Think about it.

(09-25-2022 03:32 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 12:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  Personally, I’d like to see the video of the confrontation at this clinic. That would tell us a a lot. I’m sure it’s out there since virtually everyone videos everything now.

This “all he did was…” talk is fine, but to me it’s really just speculation without actually seeing it. How it all really happened is pretty important and right now I don’t feel like we know. Both sides are equally prone to rush to judgement on various issues, truth be told.

Unless there is video or proof of this man killing someone there is 100% no reason to send dozens of F.I.B. agents with guns drawn to this man's house.

Period

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It's a federal felony arrest. With a charged violent crime.

There is no way a federal officer knows how any arrest will go. Just saying that I would imagine that the arrest is planned with the worst response being possible.

Criminy, in the mid 80s I had a warrant for a speeding ticket in west u (really small town right next to our school and embedded in houston.) They asked the Rice campus police to pick up one of their students (me) for them.

I was at an intramural soccer game when the Campos showed up and got me. I even knew the officers really well. Yet they came with 3 officers and applied handcuffs for the ride in the cruiser. Cops will typically plan for the worst, and act as if the worst vould happen, even if they suspect or know to z pretty good certainty that there will be no problem.

In this case, the matter was serving a felony arrest warrant. The charge being, even though possibly minor, still a crime involving violence.

Geezus H

You're hopeless if you believe this is anything other than a gestapo type arrest.

The person in charge of this is a radical marxist goon... with Garland riding in the back seat, also a marxist goon. Just read any of her ramblings. I wonder why there hasn't been any arrests in the pregnancy center crimes... I wonder.





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Clarke is a black supremacist wannabe and Garland is a radical Marxist who hates white people of European ancestry. His Daughter peddles CRT for a living.

(09-25-2022 10:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 09:49 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 07:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:42 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The dudes lawsuit was thrown out of court. So that tell me nothing happened and nobody got hurt. If you can't win a civil suit on this it sound s like it was a bunch of BS. And before you ask, no I can't find the lawsuit.

I see. So I guess you would now agree that Trump lost the election fair and square because all the suits got thrown out. Fantastic.

Says the guy who rails about whataboutism…it’s always been a dumb line of argumentation invented by some leftist hack and promulgated by left wing, late night comedians, but there’s some hypocrisy on your part there, no?

Im simply using his thesis that if a lawsuit is thrown out of court that tells him nothing happened.

Trumps lawsuits were thrown out of court, so that should tell him nothing happened there.

If he says he doesnt think Trump won despite losing every lawsuit, that tends to show his thesis is spotty.

This is literally the whataboutism you decry.

(09-25-2022 09:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 04:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  This is just another example of the Biden* Gestapo of Keebler Garland/DOJ/FBI ignoring basic common sense when applying the strictest technical interpretation of

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a)Prohibited Activities.—Whoever— (1)by force ... intentionally injures ... any person because that person is or has been ... providing reproductive health services;

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b).

(b)Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;

[] except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.

How is the action a *strict* 'technical' violation?

The actions he is accused of fall right smack in the middle of the defined prohibited actions. Nothing "strict" about the application of the law. The action of pushing and injuring the escorting person are *precisely* and exactly the actions defined in the statute.

I guess you simply want to ignore the law in its totality simply because you dont agree with it?

Now, I might readily agree with you that making a Federal crime out of violence at an abortion provider might very well be better served by leaving it to the State. But, sorry, it is still a law. On the books. And has been used in the past to go after many sorts of violence at abortion providers. And has been used to go after many sorts of active impediment style protests at abortion clinics (that is protesting that goes beyond mere protesting).

It amazes me people like you enjoy living this way.


Houck pushed someone that claims to be a healthcare worker (who harassed him and his son down the street from the PP, which is all on video). Lets go to extremes for the sake of the argument and say there was zero escalation or harrassment from the other party. It takes 30 armed SWAT agents to arrest a family man with no history or evidence of weapon use or armed violence?

This was an intimidation play by Federal political activists. Period.

Note: this was thrown out of district court this past summer when the escort sued Houck.

Its just not hard to admit that barring some dramatic new bit of information that sending a swat team to the mans house is totally absurd and disgusting.

It should be a very simple thing to admit if that's all there is than this action was terribly wrong and can't be the way the FBI and Justice department operate.

But Tanq just can't bring himself to say it.

Eric, what I am saying is that the group here seems to slurp down the slant from lifestylehome.com as an unvarnished truth and unvarnished viewpoint without *any* question whatsoever.

With zero corroboration.

And I would like to see either more facts, or more corroboration.

But please feel free to slurp down the stuff from lifestylehome.com, or perhaps Alex Jones without question.

Quote:He can fantasize a gazillion hypothetical reasons why it could be justified without any proof at all, but he can admit if those things didn't happen then this is disgustingly corrupt.

It may be that what is reported from lifestylehome.com is the unvarnished truth with zero bias and zero errors.

Looking at the site and other things on it, I would make a quick guess that it is far from accurate and far from free from bias.

Quote:That says it all about where he is coming from.

Yes, the fact that you slurp down this thing from lifestylehome.com without question and without doubt as to it being free from bias truly does say a lot. Thank you for noting that.

And no, there arent a 'gazillion hypotheticals'. The *fact* is that the guy was charged with a felony count. The *fact* is that the guy was charged with a felony count involving violence.

The *fact* is that no matter the identity of the person being arrested, given the above two issues, a LEO isnt going to send a 'squad car' to do this as some chuckles suggested.

But leave it to you to denote those items as 'hypotheticals'. Good grief.