(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:20 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  Miami literally just pulled a coach from Oregon Nike money. I think your bean counters are pretty busy.

Miami didn't "pull" a coach from Oregon. Mario went home, born in Miami, played college ball at Miami, nothing to surprising here.

It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Why are half the posts in a thread about the PAC12 and ESPN about the ACC?

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:20 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Miami didn't "pull" a coach from Oregon. Mario went home, born in Miami, played college ball at Miami, nothing to surprising here.

It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't ever going to beat LSU out for a coach if all else is equal. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

I feel like Miami and FSU are still destination locations from coaches.

FSU alumni have had a way of running coaches out of town recently. Between the racist things around the Taggart era and reportedly Jimbo butting heads with the Alumni Association. It feel like FSU has been their own worst enemy with coaches.

Miami and Cristobal is the perfect match but even if he didn't already have Miami ties, its a desirable program to coach with the recruiting grounds.

Getting kids to go to Oregon or Nebraska sounds hard considering most of the talent is in Florida, Texas, Ohio, and California.

(09-16-2022 11:23 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't ever going to beat LSU out for a coach if all else is equal. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

I feel like Miami and FSU are still destination locations from coaches.

FSU alumni have had a way of running coaches out of town recently. Between the racist things around the Taggart era and reportedly Jimbo butting heads with the Alumni Association. It feel like FSU has been their own worst enemy with coaches.

Miami and Cristobal is the perfect match but even if he didn't already have Miami ties, its a desirable program to coach with the recruiting grounds.

Getting kids to go to Oregon or Nebraska sounds hard considering most of the talent is in Florida, Texas, Ohio, and California.

There was a ton of fanfare with Taggart's hire. There was literally a giant gameday type atmosphere upon his first visit. The racism "scandal" stuff is absurd. He was a poor choice and it was well known in terms of every measurable and just the very poor way things were organized. I could go further. Nice guy, not a top flight coach. Note that FSU's long time b-ball coach Leonard Hamilton isn't white.

Jimbo is a well known pain in the butt but it's worth it when he's winning. He got an offer he couldn't refuse from A&M and it was time for him to go. He also was dealing with major family issues.

FSU has an otherwise legendary reputation (in a good way)...as a great place to work. Look at all of the coaches in all sports who have stuck around for decades.

(09-16-2022 11:23 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  FSU alumni have had a way of running coaches out of town recently. Between the racist things around the Taggart era and reportedly Jimbo butting heads with the Alumni Association. It feel like FSU has been their own worst enemy with coaches.

Miami and Cristobal is the perfect match but even if he didn't already have Miami ties, its a desirable program to coach with the recruiting grounds.

Getting kids to go to Oregon or Nebraska sounds hard considering most of the talent is in Florida, Texas, Ohio, and California.

Georgia high school talent > Ohio high school talent ... not even close, either.

Defer to our Noles around here, but I always got the impression Fisher's beef was with FSU's president at the time and his personally appointed basketball-centric AD

Like at many schools, the administration resented the attention and resources devoted to football.

Fisher wanted to keep up with what Swinney was doing at Clemson; the president and his cronies wanted to bring football to heel while bumping up the university's academic reputation

(09-16-2022 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Why are half the posts in a thread about the PAC12 and ESPN about the ACC?

Fair point. I didn't "start it" =) The ACC GoR manages to infect everything.

(09-16-2022 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Why are half the posts in a thread about the PAC12 and ESPN about the ACC?

They can’t keep our name out their mouth

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:20 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Miami didn't "pull" a coach from Oregon. Mario went home, born in Miami, played college ball at Miami, nothing to surprising here.

It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Okay, so Miami didn’t pull their coach. He’s still coaching the Webfoots.

(09-15-2022 09:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 08:02 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 07:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, it was becoming more apparent each year that money was going to matter more and more, and then came NIL. Now it matters more than ever and a full venue on all home dates in a large stadium means at least 20 million more a year than any small venue school will make.

And I agree with your point that Clemson, Miami, and FSU can contend.

Not to mention that a schedule with more "big brands" means the opportunity to raise prices on tickets where demand will increase significantly.

Not if a school like Miami is 5-5. Students won’t show. This isn’t the NFL no matter how much people on this site think they can wish it true. FSU’s fanbase hasn’t shown up when they’ve been down either. I’d venture to say VaTech and Clemson have the most dedicated football fan bases in the ACC.

That's actually my big concern about Miami, and the reason that I don't think they're a slam dunk for the P2. If, say, texas has an average of 7.6 wins over a 15 year period, they still sell 90k+ seats to every home game. Tennessee hasn't been relevant in decades yet they still average nearly 90k. Nebraska has been really bad for 5 years now yet were still over 85k average last year (700 more than their listed capacity btw). If Miami can't sell tickets while playing .500 ball in the SEC for a decade or so then they'll go from being a pretty good team with low attendance in the ACC to a very bad team with very low attendance in the SEC.

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:20 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  Miami literally just pulled a coach from Oregon Nike money. I think your bean counters are pretty busy.

Miami didn't "pull" a coach from Oregon. Mario went home, born in Miami, played college ball at Miami, nothing to surprising here.

It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

It, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to there ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he and his family are enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

These things don't always work out. It might work out for him, but he could also end up being the next Scott Frost.

(09-16-2022 11:23 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't ever going to beat LSU out for a coach if all else is equal. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

I feel like Miami and FSU are still destination locations from coaches.

FSU alumni have had a way of running coaches out of town recently. Between the racist things around the Taggart era and reportedly Jimbo butting heads with the Alumni Association. It feel like FSU has been their own worst enemy with coaches.

Miami and Cristobal is the perfect match but even if he didn't already have Miami ties, its a desirable program to coach with the recruiting grounds.

Getting kids to go to Oregon or Nebraska sounds hard considering most of the talent is in Florida, Texas, Ohio, and California.

Jimbo didn't want to leave FSU, but they were unwilling or unable to keep up financially with the new CFB powerhouses. He wanted to coach somewhere that gave him a chance to compete and win, A&M was just willing to pay him a lot more than the others PLUS was anxious to spend whatever it would take to build a long-term successful program. It was almost the opposite of FSU: they won 3 titles in a 20 year period on a relatively modest budget, and when SEC and B1G schools started spending like drunken sailors a decade or so ago the FSU administration didn't think they needed to try to keep up.

Then, after Jimbo left, FSU's AD didn't try to hire the best replacement but instead decided before even starting their search that they wanted to hire a minority. I remember reading that at the time and thinking "crap like this, not just the money, is why Jimbo is going to leave". It's entirely justifiable to look at the entire pool of available coaches and then pick the minority out of the 3 candidates you really like because you think that it will give you an edge in recruiting, or relating to the players, or any of various other factors that can lead to success. But if you've decided before your search even begins that you're going to eliminate 3/4+ of the available talent pool based upon the color of their skin then you're not really worried about winning football games.

FSU had won 3 titles in 20 years so they decided that other things were more important than winning football games. Until they figure that situation out, their Conference and Athletics budget will be secondary concerns.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/florida...eaves.html

(09-16-2022 12:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 08:02 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 07:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, it was becoming more apparent each year that money was going to matter more and more, and then came NIL. Now it matters more than ever and a full venue on all home dates in a large stadium means at least 20 million more a year than any small venue school will make.

And I agree with your point that Clemson, Miami, and FSU can contend.

Not to mention that a schedule with more "big brands" means the opportunity to raise prices on tickets where demand will increase significantly.

Not if a school like Miami is 5-5. Students won’t show. This isn’t the NFL no matter how much people on this site think they can wish it true. FSU’s fanbase hasn’t shown up when they’ve been down either. I’d venture to say VaTech and Clemson have the most dedicated football fan bases in the ACC.

That's actually my big concern about Miami, and the reason that I don't think they're a slam dunk for the P2. If, say, texas has an average of 7.6 wins over a 15 year period, they still sell 90k+ seats to every home game. Tennessee hasn't been relevant in decades yet they still average nearly 90k. Nebraska has been really bad for 5 years now yet were still over 85k average last year (700 more than their listed capacity btw). If Miami can't sell tickets while playing .500 ball in the SEC for a decade or so then they'll go from being a pretty good team with low attendance in the ACC to a very bad team with very low attendance in the SEC.

I think Miami will always have a ton of value if only because of their location. Great academic school with a great TV brand plus arguably the best football recruiting location in America is going to get a TON of leeway in a way that other schools won't be getting. Miami is probably example #1 of a school where their attendance is irrelevant.

(09-16-2022 12:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  It makes sense, but it's never guaranteed when a coach has a good thing going where they're at. For instance, hasn't Arkansas been trying for years to reel in Gus Malzahn?

Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Okay, so Miami didn’t pull their coach. He’s still coaching the Webfoots.

You were using the example to show off Miami's (as an ACC school) present situation and "pull"...instead of it being simply the return of the prodigal son...a die-hard Cane/player and born-and-raised Miami kid. It's absurd to give any credit to the state of their program in the ACC as having anything to do with it. I'm not splitting hairs here...you picked a remarkably poor example of ACC "prowess". Mario is Miami through and through.

(09-16-2022 01:22 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 12:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 09:58 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  Miami has always been Mario's DREAM JOB. He grew up there. He played there. It's home for him and his family. There is no surprise here whatsoever.

And, no, it doesn't mean every coach is always going to want to move back to their ol' college stomping grounds. Gus grew up in a small town close to Memphis...it doesn't mean he's looking to take a job 4 hours from there in Fayetteville at a school with huge challenges in the SEC-West. Or take a job at Memphis either. I'm guessing he is enjoying Orlando and a relatively low pressure situation at a school with a ton of upside.

I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Okay, so Miami didn’t pull their coach. He’s still coaching the Webfoots.

You were using the example to show off Miami's (as an ACC school) present situation and "pull"...instead of it being simply the return of the prodigal son...a die-hard Cane/player and born-and-raised Miami kid. It's absurd to give any credit to the state of their program in the ACC as having anything to do with it. I'm not splitting hairs here...you picked a remarkably poor example of ACC "prowess". Mario is Miami through and through.

Wrong. I referenced Miami having money. They do and you should know that.

(09-16-2022 02:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 01:22 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 12:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  I wasn't surprised. I'm just saying he didn't move there for free and Miami has plenty of money to compete with even an extremely well funded school like Oregon. Is more money better? Of course, but let's not pretend these schools are paupers. I still think he would have left for Miami even if Oregon was making future Big Ten money.

You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Okay, so Miami didn’t pull their coach. He’s still coaching the Webfoots.

You were using the example to show off Miami's (as an ACC school) present situation and "pull"...instead of it being simply the return of the prodigal son...a die-hard Cane/player and born-and-raised Miami kid. It's absurd to give any credit to the state of their program in the ACC as having anything to do with it. I'm not splitting hairs here...you picked a remarkably poor example of ACC "prowess". Mario is Miami through and through.

Wrong. I referenced Miami having money. They do and you should know that.

Miami is all about location/location/location. They've got enough big donations to not whiff on Mario the Cane.. But they're not a big budget program and never have been. They focus almost all of what they have on football and taking advantage of their ultra-elite recruiting geography. They don't have the cost of their own $tadium to build, operate & maintain. That saves them a lot of recurring cash. If they do ever build one...it will be on a pretty limited budget & size compared to modern stadium standards. And it would be more about "pride in ownership" (spurred on by a big money S. FL Cane fan/developer Ruiz) than a good ROI.

Anyway...Miami increasingly and probably overwhelmingly wants out of the ACC. They'll be on much healthier financial footing if they get into the SEC or B1G. Enjoy the next <14 years. The tobacco road conference has a limited shelf life.

(09-16-2022 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Why are half the posts in a thread about the PAC12 and ESPN about the ACC?

They can’t keep our name out their mouth

Now, if Phillips could figure out a way to monetize ACC mentions on this board...

I wonder whether they are years apart on length of contract.

UW and OU will want a two-year deal if there is GOR involved. OSU and WSU will want a 20-year deal.

UA, ASU, UU, and CU will be wary about UW and OU pushing for a short deal.

Cal and Stanford will want to make sure field hockey is included.

ESPN might be willing to pay $30M for a short contract, and $50M for a long term.

(09-20-2022 08:05 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 02:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 01:22 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 12:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:04 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  You said Miami "pulled a coach". It's not every day that a school has a local kid who was a former player/alumnus who is also a top flight coach looking to move back home. Miami isn't going to beat a program like LSU (or the majority of SEC schools in spite of their S. FL location) out for a coach if all else is equal, with any regularity. Let alone Bama or UTx. It's not even in the same ballpark in the present era. They've got the location down pat. But they need to do whatever they can to bridge the money and fan interest gap. The SEC would provide a huge boost and would be an absolute no-brainer if the invite came their way.

Oregon AD: "Miami just fired Manny Diaz"
Phil Knight: "What do we need to do to keep Coach Cristobal?"
Oregon AD: "Pay him 1.5X what Nick Saban makes"
Phil Knight: "Post a job opening for a new head coach".

Okay, so Miami didn’t pull their coach. He’s still coaching the Webfoots.

You were using the example to show off Miami's (as an ACC school) present situation and "pull"...instead of it being simply the return of the prodigal son...a die-hard Cane/player and born-and-raised Miami kid. It's absurd to give any credit to the state of their program in the ACC as having anything to do with it. I'm not splitting hairs here...you picked a remarkably poor example of ACC "prowess". Mario is Miami through and through.

Wrong. I referenced Miami having money. They do and you should know that.

Miami is all about location/location/location. They've got enough big donations to not whiff on Mario the Cane.. But they're not a big budget program and never have been. They focus almost all of what they have on football and taking advantage of their ultra-elite recruiting geography. They don't have the cost of their own $tadium to build, operate & maintain. That saves them a lot of recurring cash. If they do ever build one...it will be on a pretty limited budget & size compared to modern stadium standards. And it would be more about "pride in ownership" (spurred on by a big money S. FL Cane fan/developer Ruiz) than a good ROI.

Anyway...Miami increasingly and probably overwhelmingly wants out of the ACC. They'll be on much healthier financial footing if they get into the SEC or B1G. Enjoy the next <14 years. The tobacco road conference has a limited shelf life.

I will enjoy it, and it might last a lot longer than that, as I predict schools will start cutting independent deals and remain in sensible conferences. It’s the natural evolution of the way things are going.

NIL has benefited Miami more than any other school. Now it’s legal to do what they were doing before when ultra-successful.