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(09-11-2022 10:14 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  There's also reports that Municipal officials in Moscow have asked that Putin resign.

Wow, that's huge in a country like Russia. The new ferris wheel must have failed to impress! I was very skeptical, but Radio Free Europe has a story with a video link -

https://www.rferl.org/a/moscow-municipal...27762.html
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(09-11-2022 11:13 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 10:14 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  There's also reports that Municipal officials in Moscow have asked that Putin resign.

Wow, that's huge in a country like Russia. The new ferris wheel must have failed to impress! I was very skeptical, but Radio Free Europe has a story with a video link -

https://www.rferl.org/a/moscow-municipal...27762.html

Also officials in St Petersburg. They face jail or fines for the suggestions....but this may be a beginning... hopefully.
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(09-10-2022 11:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like the Ukrainians have already reached Izium, the primary Russian military logistics hub for the area.

Vitaly Ganchev, the head of the Russia-backed administration in the Kharkiv region, said on state television that several villages had come under the control of Ukrainian armed formation and said his administration was trying to “evacuate” civilians from cities including Izium, Russia’s main logistics base in the province, where the British officials described Russian forces as “increasingly isolated”.

A local resident of Izium, who prefers to remain anonymous, told the Guardian that the Ukrainian troops had entered the city. Before that, “Russian occupying forces were rapidly withdrawing, leaving ammunition and equipment behind.”

Images flooding social media showed Ukrainian forces within the city of Izium and Russian observers of the conflict said there were initial reports Moscow’s army had already withdrawn.

Retaking Izium is perhaps Ukraine’s most significant success in pushing back the Russians since the beginning of the invasion.

Izium has for centuries been regarded as the gateway to the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine and, from there, to the Black Sea. The Russians called the area around it Izium passage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/s...ssia-izyum

"armed formation" They are so dishonest they can't even call it the Ukrainian army.

On another board there is one of the Russian apologists quoting state TV saying this is all a planned deployment to the Donetsk region. Seems to have no clue how unbelievably delusional he looks. Almost as bad as the many Democrats who still believe the Trump-Russian collusion hoax.
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(09-10-2022 08:26 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think it's time for Putin to do something diverting, like maybe take his shirt off while skeet shooting or photoshopped riding a bear. It gives posters like SheerKlan hard-ons and makes them forget for 5 minutes.

He dedicated a ferris wheel yeterday.
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(09-11-2022 11:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 11:13 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 10:14 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  There's also reports that Municipal officials in Moscow have asked that Putin resign.

Wow, that's huge in a country like Russia. The new ferris wheel must have failed to impress! I was very skeptical, but Radio Free Europe has a story with a video link -

https://www.rferl.org/a/moscow-municipal...27762.html

Also officials in St Petersburg. They face jail or fines for the suggestions....but this may be a beginning... hopefully.

Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia is a 3rd world country. The rest of the country never really got out of Communist/Totalitarian mode. They don't care as long as they have bread.

If sanctions start eating into other than the urban elite, then Putin will start having trouble. Otherwise he's safe as long as his inner circle doesn't turn on him. But they would hang with him, so that's unlikely. At some point Moscow and St. Petersburg hurting drags down the rest of the country, but that will take a year or two or five.
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Kremlin-appointed Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has criticized the Russian army leadership and suggests that Putin may not be fully aware of the "real situation" -

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/s...ne-retreat
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Looks like they left behind a shocking amount of supplies and equipment. Lots of tanks, self-propelled artillery, BMP's, and ammo appears to have been left behind in the mad rush to get away. Also, it appears alot of soldiers and equipment got captured because the Russians were not getting orders quick enough to react to the ridiculously fast pace of the changing battlefield landscape. They just got caught paralyzed---afraid to move without orders---and then panic set in when they realized the Ukrainians were already nearby---or even behind them.
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I found this interesting, what do our resident military experts think of the comparison to Operation Fredericus? -

"Alexei Chadayev, a political think-tanker loyal to the Kremlin, believes that the Russian army “as a whole, as a structure, in its current form — to put it mildly — has limited suitability for modern warfare.”

“The key defects lie not in the ability to gather manpower, supply, weapons, and not even in management as such, but in the level of strategic thinking, the quality of understanding of the rhythm and logic of the confrontation,” he said on Saturday, commenting on Russia’s rout.

He added that the latest defeat of Russian troops “is becoming more and more reminiscent” of the disaster which the Soviet Union’s Red Army faced in almost exactly the same territory in World War II. It was here that the Germans launched Operation Fredericus, delivering a major blow to the Red Army which was encircled and lost some quarter of a million killed and wounded."

https://www.politico.eu/article/putins-p...ttlefield/
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(09-11-2022 04:13 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I found this interesting, what do our resident military experts think of the comparison to Operation Fredericus? -

"Alexei Chadayev, a political think-tanker loyal to the Kremlin, believes that the Russian army “as a whole, as a structure, in its current form — to put it mildly — has limited suitability for modern warfare.”

“The key defects lie not in the ability to gather manpower, supply, weapons, and not even in management as such, but in the level of strategic thinking, the quality of understanding of the rhythm and logic of the confrontation,” he said on Saturday, commenting on Russia’s rout.

He added that the latest defeat of Russian troops “is becoming more and more reminiscent” of the disaster which the Soviet Union’s Red Army faced in almost exactly the same territory in World War II. It was here that the Germans launched Operation Fredericus, delivering a major blow to the Red Army which was encircled and lost some quarter of a million killed and wounded."

https://www.politico.eu/article/putins-p...ttlefield/

There is little autonomy given to the lower and mid-level unit commanders in the field. Thats absolutely true. There isnt much difference in todays Russian army and the old Soviet Army in that respect. I also suspect there is a substantial morale issue as the vast majority of the Russian soldiers arent really that motivated to do anything more than survive. The typical Russian grunt soldier is on the ground in Ukraine and can see for themselves there arent any Nazi's and they aren't being welcomed by the locals. They arent "liberating" anyone. At this point, after 200 days of fighting, most of the Russian soldiers probably just want to get home in one piece. Put these same Russian soldiers on Russian soil defending against outside invaders---and I suspect these same unmotivated soldiers would be among the bravest and most determined defenders an army might ever face. A units motivation and mental state matters.
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(09-11-2022 05:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 04:13 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I found this interesting, what do our resident military experts think of the comparison to Operation Fredericus? -

"Alexei Chadayev, a political think-tanker loyal to the Kremlin, believes that the Russian army “as a whole, as a structure, in its current form — to put it mildly — has limited suitability for modern warfare.”

“The key defects lie not in the ability to gather manpower, supply, weapons, and not even in management as such, but in the level of strategic thinking, the quality of understanding of the rhythm and logic of the confrontation,” he said on Saturday, commenting on Russia’s rout.

He added that the latest defeat of Russian troops “is becoming more and more reminiscent” of the disaster which the Soviet Union’s Red Army faced in almost exactly the same territory in World War II. It was here that the Germans launched Operation Fredericus, delivering a major blow to the Red Army which was encircled and lost some quarter of a million killed and wounded."

https://www.politico.eu/article/putins-p...ttlefield/

There is little autonomy given to the lower and mid-level unit commanders in the field. Thats absolutely true. There isnt much difference in todays Russian army and the old Soviet Army in that respect. I also suspect there is a substantial morale issue as the vast majority of the Russian soldiers arent really that motivated to do anything more than survive. The typical Russian grunt soldier is on the ground in Ukraine and can see for themselves there arent any Nazi's and they aren't being welcomed by the locals. They arent "liberating" anyone. At this point, after 200 days of fighting, most of the Russian soldiers probably just want to get home in one piece. Put these same Russian soldiers on Russian soil defending against outside invaders---and I suspect these same unmotivated soldiers would be among the bravest and most determined defenders an army might ever face. A units motivation and mental state matters.

Damn hard to invade a country and sustain victory without a Blitz type invasion with overwhelming superiority...laying waste to everything in its path. The Russians did not have the motivation or even the military power to do that and the longer this goes on the more likely they go home like they did in Afghanistan.
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Part one of two.

Russian Lieutenant General relieved of command and possibly an early retirement from the military. The guy was only on the job for 16 days so I guess an easy scapegoat.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-appoints-c...04807.html
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(09-11-2022 09:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Part one of two.

Russian Lieutenant General relieved of command and possibly an early retirement from the military. The guy was only on the job for 16 days so I guess an easy scapegoat.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-appoints-c...04807.html

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(09-11-2022 09:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 09:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Part one of two.

Russian Lieutenant General relieved of command and possibly an early retirement from the military. The guy was only on the job for 16 days so I guess an easy scapegoat.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-appoints-c...04807.html


I like that comment to the war monger. He's talking about his 10 year old kids and the other guy interrupts and says, so they will get the chance to fight.

Notice that one of the other deputies threatened the honest one.
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(09-11-2022 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like they left behind a shocking amount of supplies and equipment. Lots of tanks, self-propelled artillery, BMP's, and ammo appears to have been left behind in the mad rush to get away. Also, it appears alot of soldiers and equipment got captured because the Russians were not getting orders quick enough to react to the ridiculously fast pace of the changing battlefield landscape. They just got caught paralyzed---afraid to move without orders---and then panic set in when they realized the Ukrainians were already nearby---or even behind them.

The Russians have somehow managed to make logistics and Command and Control communication look like it's run by the local DMV.
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(09-11-2022 10:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(09-11-2022 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Looks like they left behind a shocking amount of supplies and equipment. Lots of tanks, self-propelled artillery, BMP's, and ammo appears to have been left behind in the mad rush to get away. Also, it appears alot of soldiers and equipment got captured because the Russians were not getting orders quick enough to react to the ridiculously fast pace of the changing battlefield landscape. They just got caught paralyzed---afraid to move without orders---and then panic set in when they realized the Ukrainians were already nearby---or even behind them.

The Russians have somehow managed to make logistics and Command and Control communication look like it's run by the local DMV.

That is one message that was drilled into my head when I was a young 11B idiot. We were always taught that for the most part Soviets or Russian or whatever, in the their Army, were kinda dumb and totally lost without top command.
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It’s a couple billions dollars per square mile recovered.

That’s got to be some kind of record for our government—good or bad.
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(09-11-2022 04:13 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I found this interesting, what do our resident military experts think of the comparison to Operation Fredericus? -

"Alexei Chadayev, a political think-tanker loyal to the Kremlin, believes that the Russian army “as a whole, as a structure, in its current form — to put it mildly — has limited suitability for modern warfare.”

“The key defects lie not in the ability to gather manpower, supply, weapons, and not even in management as such, but in the level of strategic thinking, the quality of understanding of the rhythm and logic of the confrontation,” he said on Saturday, commenting on Russia’s rout.

He added that the latest defeat of Russian troops “is becoming more and more reminiscent” of the disaster which the Soviet Union’s Red Army faced in almost exactly the same territory in World War II. It was here that the Germans launched Operation Fredericus, delivering a major blow to the Red Army which was encircled and lost some quarter of a million killed and wounded."

https://www.politico.eu/article/putins-p...ttlefield/

Seriously? History hasn't been very kind to Russian Military Achievements or should I say the lack thereof.

There biggest military achievement was wiping out their own defenseless civilians who didn't agree with their Red Socialist Agenda.
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(09-11-2022 11:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It’s a couple billions dollars per square mile recovered.

That’s got to be some kind of record for our government—good or bad.

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In the broader scope of the current iteration of this Cold War - you have the U.S., Australia, Japan, S Korea, UK, Poland, Czechs, Slovaks and an unreliable EU vs Russia and China. We know Russia and China are having massive issues internally due to a variety of issues including 1) Demographic collapse, 2) Corruption, Ponzi schemes about to blow up (China), 4) Poor mfg base (Russia), Mfg base currently being dismantled as we speak (China) and 6) Despotic leaders who have taken out talent in leadership positions in favor of yes men.

We know that Ukraine has never been a legitimate ally like we've seen with Poland and the other Eastern Bloc countries. Wouldn't the more prudent thing to do instead of publicly propping up Ukraine like we are with the inevitable end result being a Trillion dollar cost that we instead "secretly" support them in a guerilla war like we did with Afghanistan when the Soviets were there? It seems like both Russia and China are self destructing on their own. Why wouldn't we have just allowed nature to take its course and secretly intervene without the massive spending??? Wouldn't our resources be much better spent by freezing out China from owning any physical U.S. assets, lobbying groups supporting China and breaking the tech espionage rings operating in the U.S. and abroad stealing tech???

IF we assume that the entire Democrat Party on the national level plus portions of the GOP are NOT bought and paid for by China and Russia - what would I be missing where it's a "no brainer" to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine given what we know about China and Russia today?
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