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RE: College football is really bad. And dumb. From a configuration standpoint.
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(09-06-2022 10:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  SMU death penalty

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Well you know, it was bought and paid for by A&M. Dickerson just didn't give it back when he signed with SMU.

You know, um, that was, um, a long, er, time ago. Yeah. Ancient history man.

So are those cars but everybody loves them. LOL
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(09-06-2022 10:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 07:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  But IMO, there is no solution for that as long as one considers FBS to be a "league", because (a) realistically, a CFB team can't play more than 12 or so regular season games and (b) FBS has 130 teams.

And this isn't really surprising, because FBS was never meant to be a "league". It was just the division created for schools that didn't want a playoffs.

Absolutely. If you are a school that chose not to have an NCAA championship playoff and you now want to reconsider that decision, you should by all means drop down to FCS instead of complaining that you can't compete on a level playing field with schools with more resources and advantages.

If you choose to play in the FBS, you should remember that you chose to be in the entertainment business, not a true sports league. In the entertainment business, you succeed if fans say you have succeeded, whether you are a football player, a singer or an actor.

Really. The g5 don't have the resources to consistently compete. They aren't going to get the recruits. But guess what? Ole Miss and Mississippi St. and Kentucky don't compete for recruits that Alabama, LSU and Georgia want. They can't consistently compete at the top of the SEC. In the NCAA cartel days back in the 70s, Texas competed with Oklahoma, Texas A&M and sometimes Arkansas and LSU for the top recruits in Texas. They didn't compete with SMU, TCU, Rice, Baylor, Texas Tech and Houston.

And some covering the SEC say Kentucky could go 10 and 1 this year in conference play. Stoops has been amazing with recruiting Ohio, Georgia,Florida while Not being Alabama, LSU or Auburn
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(09-06-2022 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 01:47 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  Hear me out.

This is stupid. This is nothing more than when the US Olympic Gymnastic teams barnstorms after the Olympics to get money.


Every conference plays 8 or 9 conference games; out of 12 total games. Some "power" conferences play FCS teams, which are just guarantee, body-bag games. So now you have a 9-game conference schedule (When the league will go .500 against itself) and 2 other games.

There's not enough non-conference play to make conference play mean anything. It's just the perception of who is good, not actual results. You're judging SEC vs Pac-12 on like 3 games max. That's nothing. Baseball is 162-games and the terrible teams win 40% of the time.

College football is a dog and pony show. Anyone with money doesn't have to play anyone on the road OOC, they just host patsys and go 3-0 or 4-0.

Vanderbilt beat Elon an FCS team (barely); and then Vandy bought the worst teams they could with their TV cash. So when SEC teams beat Vandy, they'll beat a 5-7 team instead of 1-12 team, because Vandy bought some suckers.

The conference SOS is just "Who bought the worst teams" and then beat each other up. There is no honor in that. If you cross out every team that sucks from everyone's record, the best teams in college football are 4-0 or 3-1 at best.

I had a coach who knew and trusted me, she said "I don't know how this RPI/SOS thing works, how do we make the NCAA Tournament?" and I showed her the math and how to rig it. And we put together a 28-game schedule to make the NCAA Tournament if we just beat the teams we should beat. I did not know she was telling other coaches what I told her. So half our conference did the same thing. I put together a schedule for #23 RPI and an NCAA bid. We did one game better than I projected and were #9 in the RPI. Two other teams from our "one-bid conference" made the tournament. Best season in conference history.

It was effing easy to manipulate the system. College football plays so many fewer games that SOS is a effing joke.

If every non-P5 school refused to play a road game at a P5 school, college football would be brought to its knees. And they should try it.


The P5 is just a cartel that buys wins. They aren't better. They only have become better because recruits listened to ESPN Propaganda and only want to go to schools ESPN talks up. If everyone else in college football refuses to play them, you'd have a poll of 12 one-loss cartel teams, and 8 undefeated teams. It's just math bull s-h-i-t.

College football is really stupid. It's just Darwinist Capitalism.

Making a threat without any leverage can make you even worse off than before.

Why would the P5 be brought to its knees by G5 schools refusing to play them? The G5 would just be handing the P5 the opportunity to break away from the NCAA entirely without any legal entanglements or damages and thus destroying those G5 athletic departments completely. The P5 would *love* for the G5 to make that "threat" because it gives them the legal backing to separate once and for all.

Maybe I should be posting in the "cable in decline" thread. I am not thrilled with ESPN's delivery mechanisms. I pay too much for DirecTV already, and to receive ESPN3, or whatever added numbers and letters, other than the 2-3 offered, I must download the app and pay something like $9.99 a month. That's too much aggravation and added costs. Monopolize something and corporate greed rears its head.

Jschmack, I concur with much you said. Having some pessimism may be be a good thing in critiquing all this. FBS football scheduling if far from equity, consistency, and anything approaching perfection. While scholarship limits are similar for all FBS, recruitment challenges have enormous variations due to media promotions, locales, resources, facilities, academic/acceptance variables, etc. P5, or what is left of that term, is in a state of turmoil outside what is deemed the P2, that appears to still be in the process of developing.

I heard this past weekend, for example, Mississippi State had the second most difficult schedule in the country. So there are statisticians out there that can rank-order the level of difficulty of 130 colleges/universities playing FBS fb each week following the pre-season rankings. If that can be done readily, surely there could be improved guidelines to avoid some of the asinine scheduling.

Frank, agree that the G5 doesn't have much leverage to force change of the system's upper tier. It appears to be diminishing for the G5, and maybe future P5 remnants. Classifications are becoming more dictatorial by developing circumstances, yet there still remains interdependence, inclusive of even a chunk of FCS. The problem there is that the "lesser haves" are faced with concessions as disbursements and exposure become even more acute. Money fuels power.

Is there a fix whereby everyone is happy? I doubt it. There is no grand plan. It is all stimulus-response mixed with too many decision-makers not affirmatively deciding or have conflicting visions of what is coming down the pike.
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(09-06-2022 07:04 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The FCS games have to go. It would be better to play some redshirt freshman players against top varsity high school players in the state to grow awareness. If we only get 3 OOC it has to be 2 P5 1 G5. At 4 OOC, FCS and 3 P5 or 2G5 2P5.

The mathematics of your plan is never going to work out. Many P5 schools "need" seven home games. If P5's just play each other, they will all have 6 home games and 6 away games. That's not good enough. Penn State needs to have some schools that will come to State College and Penn State doesn't have to return (or a 2 for 1 maybe). Not every non conference game can be a home and home like the Auburn series last year and this year. They need an Ohio University they play this year and I think PSU will probably be in Athens, Greece before they wind up in Athens, Ohio. Yes, Penn State, Ohio State, Alabama, etc will play P5's. Don't ever expect them to be the majority of non conference schedules. It isn't even that they are trying to win games. Do you think Alabama is scared of playing Texas? They need seven home games. Texas will give them a home game eventually (next year) but they had to travel to Austin this year to make up for it and they can't do a lot of those or it cuts into their revenue as well as the local tourism industry.
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(09-06-2022 10:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  SMU death penalty

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I loved the SMU documentary.

I was born in the early '70's near Frisco. I read the Dallas Morning News sports section cover to cover as a tennager most days. SMU was huge in Dallas back in the '80s, until they weren't.

Interesting aside, Craig James helped ruin not one but 2 very strong programs. SMU obviously, then he got The Pirate fired from Texas Tech. Neither program has ever recovered. That dude is The Reaper.

And he ruined his own career in the process. What ever happened to that guy?
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James got Leach fired because he believed Leach was mistreating his son.
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(09-06-2022 01:52 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  James got Leach fired because he believed Leach was mistreating his son.

Craig James ran in the 2012 Republican primary for a Texas senate seat. He lost. During a local TV/radio interview, he made some extreme homophobic remarks. That, and other on-air mishaps, coupled with other controversies, got him fired from Fox, and no other reputable sports media outlet will employ him.
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I similarly dislike the system we have and all for the woefully overmatched P5 vs FCS games in an effort to get more home game revenue and pad schedules with built in wins.

There’s not enough apples-to-apples match ups between conferences to truly obtain a fair comparison among leagues.

Personally, I think:

The FCS vs P5 games need to go—completely banned

Add a week 0 or 00 preseason game so that these warm-ups can still happen, which would make it easier to get 7 home dates.

Of those 12 regular season games, mandate that P5s play at a minimum of 10 P5 opponents, or better yet, 11 or 12 so that schedules are more uniform and more inter conference games happen

An 8 team playoff—the P5 champs and 3 at larges. Or better yet, consolidate the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12 into just 2 conferences and institute a champions-only, 4 team playoff:
Big 10 vs PAC 16 Rose Bowl
SEC vs ACC Sugar Bowl
Winners matched in a mid-Jan title
This 4 conference consolidation could allow each conference to have their own 4-team playoff to determine their champs.
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(09-06-2022 03:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I similarly dislike the system we have and all for the woefully overmatched P5 vs FCS games in an effort to get more home game revenue and pad schedules with built in wins.

There’s not enough apples-to-apples match ups between conferences to truly obtain a fair comparison among leagues.

Personally, I think:

The FCS vs P5 games need to go—completely banned

Add a week 0 or 00 preseason game so that these warm-ups can still happen, which would make it easier to get 7 home dates.

Of those 12 regular season games, mandate that P5s play at a minimum of 10 P5 opponents, or better yet, 11 or 12 so that schedules are more uniform and more inter conference games happen

An 8 team playoff—the P5 champs and 3 at larges. Or better yet, consolidate the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12 into just 2 conferences and institute a champions-only, 4 team playoff:
Big 10 vs PAC 16 Rose Bowl
SEC vs ACC Sugar Bowl
Winners matched in a mid-Jan title
This 4 conference consolidation could allow each conference to have their own 4-team playoff to determine their champs.

Yes, the P5 was 20-0 against FCS opponents, so those games should be banned. So, because they were also 21-1 against G5 opponents, should those games be banned as well? The biggest difference between buying a W vs FCS and buying one against G5 is that you don't have to pay the FCS team as much for the W.
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(09-06-2022 04:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 03:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I similarly dislike the system we have and all for the woefully overmatched P5 vs FCS games in an effort to get more home game revenue and pad schedules with built in wins.

There’s not enough apples-to-apples match ups between conferences to truly obtain a fair comparison among leagues.

Personally, I think:

The FCS vs P5 games need to go—completely banned

Add a week 0 or 00 preseason game so that these warm-ups can still happen, which would make it easier to get 7 home dates.

Of those 12 regular season games, mandate that P5s play at a minimum of 10 P5 opponents, or better yet, 11 or 12 so that schedules are more uniform and more inter conference games happen

An 8 team playoff—the P5 champs and 3 at larges. Or better yet, consolidate the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12 into just 2 conferences and institute a champions-only, 4 team playoff:
Big 10 vs PAC 16 Rose Bowl
SEC vs ACC Sugar Bowl
Winners matched in a mid-Jan title
This 4 conference consolidation could allow each conference to have their own 4-team playoff to determine their champs.

Yes, the P5 was 20-0 against FCS opponents, so those games should be banned. So, because they were also 21-1 against G5 opponents, should those games be banned as well? The biggest difference between buying a W vs FCS and buying one against G5 is that you don't have to pay the FCS team as much for the W.

I’d like to see G5 games phased out too or minimized. The gap between the two is growing more and more.

I’m thinking along the lines of:
1 preseason game vs FCS
1 regular season game vs G5
11 regular season games vs P5
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(09-06-2022 01:52 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  James got Leach fired because he believed Leach was mistreating his son.

The equipment "shed" was air-conditioned, iirc. And it wasn't like the tool sheds people have in their back yard. Don't know if people remember that Leach took a player who was skipping class and placed him at a desk out on the practice field and instructed him to catch up on his homework while the rest of the team practiced.
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(09-06-2022 10:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  SMU death penalty

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I loved the SMU documentary.

I was born in the early '70's near Frisco. I read the Dallas Morning News sports section cover to cover as a tennager most days. SMU was huge in Dallas back in the '80s, until they weren't.

Interesting aside, Craig James helped ruin not one but 2 very strong programs. SMU obviously, then he got The Pirate fired from Texas Tech. Neither program has ever recovered. That dude is The Reaper.

Hey, Notre Dame!!! Got someone for ya!!! A Craig James!!! 05-stirthepot
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(09-06-2022 01:47 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  
If every non-P5 school refused to play a road game at a P5 school, college football would be brought to its knees. And they should try it.

There are too many G5 schools that need those P5 checks.
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(09-06-2022 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 01:47 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  Hear me out.

This is stupid. This is nothing more than when the US Olympic Gymnastic teams barnstorms after the Olympics to get money.


Every conference plays 8 or 9 conference games; out of 12 total games. Some "power" conferences play FCS teams, which are just guarantee, body-bag games. So now you have a 9-game conference schedule (When the league will go .500 against itself) and 2 other games.

There's not enough non-conference play to make conference play mean anything. It's just the perception of who is good, not actual results. You're judging SEC vs Pac-12 on like 3 games max. That's nothing. Baseball is 162-games and the terrible teams win 40% of the time.

College football is a dog and pony show. Anyone with money doesn't have to play anyone on the road OOC, they just host patsys and go 3-0 or 4-0.

Vanderbilt beat Elon an FCS team (barely); and then Vandy bought the worst teams they could with their TV cash. So when SEC teams beat Vandy, they'll beat a 5-7 team instead of 1-12 team, because Vandy bought some suckers.

The conference SOS is just "Who bought the worst teams" and then beat each other up. There is no honor in that. If you cross out every team that sucks from everyone's record, the best teams in college football are 4-0 or 3-1 at best.

I had a coach who knew and trusted me, she said "I don't know how this RPI/SOS thing works, how do we make the NCAA Tournament?" and I showed her the math and how to rig it. And we put together a 28-game schedule to make the NCAA Tournament if we just beat the teams we should beat. I did not know she was telling other coaches what I told her. So half our conference did the same thing. I put together a schedule for #23 RPI and an NCAA bid. We did one game better than I projected and were #9 in the RPI. Two other teams from our "one-bid conference" made the tournament. Best season in conference history.

It was effing easy to manipulate the system. College football plays so many fewer games that SOS is a effing joke.

If every non-P5 school refused to play a road game at a P5 school, college football would be brought to its knees. And they should try it.


The P5 is just a cartel that buys wins. They aren't better. They only have become better because recruits listened to ESPN Propaganda and only want to go to schools ESPN talks up. If everyone else in college football refuses to play them, you'd have a poll of 12 one-loss cartel teams, and 8 undefeated teams. It's just math bull s-h-i-t.

College football is really stupid. It's just Darwinist Capitalism.

Making a threat without any leverage can make you even worse off than before.

Why would the P5 be brought to its knees by G5 schools refusing to play them? The G5 would just be handing the P5 the opportunity to break away from the NCAA entirely without any legal entanglements or damages and thus destroying those G5 athletic departments completely. The P5 would *love* for the G5 to make that "threat" because it gives them the legal backing to separate once and for all.

This is a bad take. If the G5 and P5 stop playing each other, ratings and revenue would suffer for both groups. It's not a credible threat by the G5, or an opportunity for the P5.
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(09-06-2022 10:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 10:32 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  The divide from the SEC and the rest is terrible. And the divide from the P5 and G5 is terrible too.

This sport was built on Boise State underdog, Utah underdog, Appalachian State monumental upset, BYU national title, SMU death penalty, yadda yadda yadda.

This sport was built on Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC dominance. That hasn't changed much in decades.

No. It was built on millions of fans cheering for their alma maters as they compete as a part of the college football landscape. Wealth inequality is not a danger to that system. Fracturing the college football landscape is the danger. The latter removes fans, the former does not.
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(09-06-2022 07:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  But IMO, there is no solution for that as long as one considers FBS to be a "league", because (a) realistically, a CFB team can't play more than 12 or so regular season games and (b) FBS has 130 teams.

And this isn't really surprising, because FBS was never meant to be a "league". It was just the division created for schools that didn't want a playoffs.

Absolutely. If you are a school that chose not to have an NCAA championship playoff and you now want to reconsider that decision, you should by all means drop down to FCS instead of complaining that you can't compete on a level playing field with schools with more resources and advantages.

If you choose to play in the FBS, you should remember that you chose to be in the entertainment business, not a true sports league. In the entertainment business, you succeed if fans say you have succeeded, whether you are a football player, a singer or an actor.

Really. The g5 don't have the resources to consistently compete. They aren't going to get the recruits. But guess what? Ole Miss and Mississippi St. and Kentucky don't compete for recruits that Alabama, LSU and Georgia want. They can't consistently compete at the top of the SEC. In the NCAA cartel days back in the 70s, Texas competed with Oklahoma, Texas A&M and sometimes Arkansas and LSU for the top recruits in Texas. They didn't compete with SMU, TCU, Rice, Baylor, Texas Tech and Houston.

Except for the years they couldn't compete with SMU, TCU, Baylor, UH etc. Like several years in the past decade for instance. It isn't all about money. It isn't all about going undefeated. It isn't all about being a brand.
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I don't mind FCS vs FBS games but why not do what college Basketball does and any game doesn't count in the computer rankings? Maybe also it puts you at the end of the line in bowl picks between teams with the same records. I would think maybe have away games and neutral site games weighted more in the computers can help. Maybe that would cause some P5 to go to a weaker G5 schools place more. Something like LSU at Louisiana Monroe as a example. LSU is expected to win at home or away but the weak away game is weighted heavier and also a easy road test for the team. While it might be a bus trip maybe P5 could use it more as getting younger players ready for bigger away games.
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(09-06-2022 04:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 03:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I similarly dislike the system we have and all for the woefully overmatched P5 vs FCS games in an effort to get more home game revenue and pad schedules with built in wins.

There’s not enough apples-to-apples match ups between conferences to truly obtain a fair comparison among leagues.

Personally, I think:

The FCS vs P5 games need to go—completely banned

Add a week 0 or 00 preseason game so that these warm-ups can still happen, which would make it easier to get 7 home dates.

Of those 12 regular season games, mandate that P5s play at a minimum of 10 P5 opponents, or better yet, 11 or 12 so that schedules are more uniform and more inter conference games happen

An 8 team playoff—the P5 champs and 3 at larges. Or better yet, consolidate the ACC, Big 12, and PAC 12 into just 2 conferences and institute a champions-only, 4 team playoff:
Big 10 vs PAC 16 Rose Bowl
SEC vs ACC Sugar Bowl
Winners matched in a mid-Jan title
This 4 conference consolidation could allow each conference to have their own 4-team playoff to determine their champs.

Yes, the P5 was 20-0 against FCS opponents, so those games should be banned. So, because they were also 21-1 against G5 opponents, should those games be banned as well? The biggest difference between buying a W vs FCS and buying one against G5 is that you don't have to pay the FCS team as much for the W.

Disagree-- the biggest difference between between the G5 and fcs games is that the G5 games are more competitive. G5 teams are much better prepared to play these games---- unless you want to ignore scholarship levels(85 vs 63), coaching staff size and pay, facilities, and monetary support.
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(09-06-2022 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-06-2022 01:47 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  Hear me out.

This is stupid. This is nothing more than when the US Olympic Gymnastic teams barnstorms after the Olympics to get money.


Every conference plays 8 or 9 conference games; out of 12 total games. Some "power" conferences play FCS teams, which are just guarantee, body-bag games. So now you have a 9-game conference schedule (When the league will go .500 against itself) and 2 other games.

There's not enough non-conference play to make conference play mean anything. It's just the perception of who is good, not actual results. You're judging SEC vs Pac-12 on like 3 games max. That's nothing. Baseball is 162-games and the terrible teams win 40% of the time.

College football is a dog and pony show. Anyone with money doesn't have to play anyone on the road OOC, they just host patsys and go 3-0 or 4-0.

Vanderbilt beat Elon an FCS team (barely); and then Vandy bought the worst teams they could with their TV cash. So when SEC teams beat Vandy, they'll beat a 5-7 team instead of 1-12 team, because Vandy bought some suckers.

The conference SOS is just "Who bought the worst teams" and then beat each other up. There is no honor in that. If you cross out every team that sucks from everyone's record, the best teams in college football are 4-0 or 3-1 at best.

I had a coach who knew and trusted me, she said "I don't know how this RPI/SOS thing works, how do we make the NCAA Tournament?" and I showed her the math and how to rig it. And we put together a 28-game schedule to make the NCAA Tournament if we just beat the teams we should beat. I did not know she was telling other coaches what I told her. So half our conference did the same thing. I put together a schedule for #23 RPI and an NCAA bid. We did one game better than I projected and were #9 in the RPI. Two other teams from our "one-bid conference" made the tournament. Best season in conference history.

It was effing easy to manipulate the system. College football plays so many fewer games that SOS is a effing joke.

If every non-P5 school refused to play a road game at a P5 school, college football would be brought to its knees. And they should try it.


The P5 is just a cartel that buys wins. They aren't better. They only have become better because recruits listened to ESPN Propaganda and only want to go to schools ESPN talks up. If everyone else in college football refuses to play them, you'd have a poll of 12 one-loss cartel teams, and 8 undefeated teams. It's just math bull s-h-i-t.

College football is really stupid. It's just Darwinist Capitalism.

Making a threat without any leverage can make you even worse off than before.

Why would the P5 be brought to its knees by G5 schools refusing to play them? The G5 would just be handing the P5 the opportunity to break away from the NCAA entirely without any legal entanglements or damages and thus destroying those G5 athletic departments completely. The P5 would *love* for the G5 to make that "threat" because it gives them the legal backing to separate once and for all.

Maybe I should be posting in the "cable in decline" thread. I am not thrilled with ESPN's delivery mechanisms. I pay too much for DirecTV already, and to receive ESPN3, or whatever added numbers and letters, other than the 2-3 offered, I must download the app and pay something like $9.99 a month. That's too much aggravation and added costs. Monopolize something and corporate greed rears its head.

Jschmack, I concur with much you said. Having some pessimism may be be a good thing in critiquing all this. FBS football scheduling if far from equity, consistency, and anything approaching perfection. While scholarship limits are similar for all FBS, recruitment challenges have enormous variations due to media promotions, locales, resources, facilities, academic/acceptance variables, etc. P5, or what is left of that term, is in a state of turmoil outside what is deemed the P2, that appears to still be in the process of developing.

I heard this past weekend, for example, Mississippi State had the second most difficult schedule in the country. So there are statisticians out there that can rank-order the level of difficulty of 130 colleges/universities playing FBS fb each week following the pre-season rankings. If that can be done readily, surely there could be improved guidelines to avoid some of the asinine scheduling.

Frank, agree that the G5 doesn't have much leverage to force change of the system's upper tier. It appears to be diminishing for the G5, and maybe future P5 remnants. Classifications are becoming more dictatorial by developing circumstances, yet there still remains interdependence, inclusive of even a chunk of FCS. The problem there is that the "lesser haves" are faced with concessions as disbursements and exposure become even more acute. Money fuels power.

Is there a fix whereby everyone is happy? I doubt it. There is no grand plan. It is all stimulus-response mixed with too many decision-makers not affirmatively deciding or have conflicting visions of what is coming down the pike.

There are plenty of solutions out there that could address many of the issues in college football. But guess what, no one is going to do anything. No one cares enough about fixing anything, because the schools that are disadvantaged have very little pull or resources. And the schools that are making all of of the money are getting more and more money. It would take something very significant for there to be any real positive change.

For instance, what quo suggested earlier in this thread about a break away of the top 30-40 schools. I personally believe something like that would invoke some change. Because the other 30 or so power schools left out would be severely impacted by it financially. If you start cutting a bunch of those power schools out of the money, you’ll suddenly start seeing some changes. Because they’re not going down without a fight.
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RE: College football is really bad. And dumb. From a configuration standpoint.
(09-06-2022 01:47 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  Vanderbilt beat Elon an FCS team (barely); and then Vandy bought the worst teams they could with their TV cash. So when SEC teams beat Vandy, they'll beat a 5-7 team instead of 1-12 team, because Vandy bought some suckers.

Most computer rankings have recognized this and look at points scored (and against whom) more than wins and losses. Few human pollsters will go down the records of every opponent on every contender's schedule and tally wins to determine value.

The only ones bamboozled might be the bowls who bring in a lucky 6-6 Vandy instead of an unlucky 5-7 Nebraska.

Somewhat related, but I think as conferences expand bigger, standings 'should' be based on overall record with a minimum 10-game P5 schedule. Power wins by the 10 (or more) power opponents would be tallied to create a tie-breaker statistic.
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