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(09-04-2022 03:29 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 02:33 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  We should be road favorites. I’d say we are 5-point favorites.

Then you’re gonna love this:

We open as 6 point “dogs”.
+6 sounds right to me. Not sure why NIU would expect to be favored on the road against a good offensive G5 team after last week’s performance. That being said I fully expect to pull out a 1 score win. The 2 extra days will help.
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Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.
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(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

The Iowa Basics would be a tough test for our D
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Wow… I’m pleasantly surprised. Might as well put $100 on my HUSKIES!!!!!
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If you look at the matchup predictor on ESPN we are only favored in two more games and one of those is just by a hair.


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(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.
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(09-04-2022 04:26 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

The Iowa Basics would be a tough test for our D

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(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?
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RE: Tulsa
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!
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(09-04-2022 11:22 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!

I'll second that!!! GO HUSKIES!
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(09-04-2022 11:22 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!

When's the last time we played a low scoring game?

I get what you're saying but he's tried that in the past only to have the defense give up quick scores.
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RE: Tulsa
(09-05-2022 09:37 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 11:22 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:07 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Tulsa’s QB is pretty good. Going to be a big test for our D.

An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!

When's the last time we played a low scoring game?

I get what you're saying but he's tried that in the past only to have the defense give up quick scores.

What’s “low scoring “?

O/U is 57. Combined with Tulsa -6 =

Tulsa 31.5
NIU. 25.5

If I could bet I’d take the over for sure.
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RE: Tulsa
(09-05-2022 11:02 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 09:37 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 11:22 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 04:49 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  An FCS team was a big test for our D.

That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!

When's the last time we played a low scoring game?

I get what you're saying but he's tried that in the past only to have the defense give up quick scores.

What’s “low scoring “?

O/U is 57. Combined with Tulsa -6 =

Tulsa 31.5
NIU. 25.5

If I could bet I’d take the over for sure.

To answer my own question, there were four games last year that I would think qualify (but I had to look it up to know).

I'm not counting the Maine game we won 41-14 because I'm not all that interested in how we played against and FCS school that went 6-5 even if they beat UMass.

With that said, we did this:

Won @ Georgia Tech - 22-21
Won vs Eastern Michigan - 27-20
Won @ Toledo - 22-20

Then, in the last regular season game we:

Won vs Kent State - 41-23

Fwiw, I hesitated on including the GT game being it was the 1st game of the year and I think there were a lot of things that happened in that game (for both teams) that didn't necessarily go forward into the year, but I think GT was worse than we realized before the season started so...well...I'm including it. It happened, it wasn't an outlier like the mismatch with Michigan and...its in there.

I'm basically looking at anything under 4 TDs as a "low scoring game" (and I'm looking at points allowed). We gave up 27 @ Buffalo but that game would require us to score 4 TDs so, I'm disqualifying it from "low scoring".

Hey, if we score 6 TDs, I'm all happy about it, I just would like to see us not HAVE to score 6 TDs to win a game.

I think if you can guarantee a win (or have a really good shot at winning most of your games) with 3 TDs and a FG, then you're going to do pretty good. Basically, holding your opponent below 24 points.

Last year, we gave up 33.7 (and scored 32.2) with the outlier being the Michigan game that really throws off the averages. Without that game in there, things look better (31.4 PA vs 33.9). At 31.4 PA/game, we have to score 4 TDs and a FG just to win each game (on average, obviously). We scored barely over that (basically add in the equivalent of a safety).

If you lower that number by a TD, that would be almost ideal.

After 1 game, we've held that average (34 points) of scoring and decreased the PA (27). If you want to look at Maine from last year (not a fair comparison but the only FCS schools on each schedule) we got worse on both fronts.

Things aren't looking positively going forward. But...we did see Rudolph develop last year and something like that can happen this year as well.

We clearly have the RBs but the loss of Rat probably is much more significant that we want to admit.

IF...we get a WR to really emerge and the line plays to its expectations, I'd almost say keeping pace with last year's offense would be a great accomplishment.

However, the defense MUST improve. I'm not sure this offense will be as good as last year so that means if there is a slight dip there, it has to be offset by an improvement on the other side of the ball. A big improvement would be really welcome but I'm not sure that's realistic.
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(09-05-2022 01:06 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 11:02 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 09:37 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 11:22 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(09-04-2022 10:40 PM)BigChilla Wrote:  That was so unexpected…the coaches are so bad on defense. Essentially you have to ask yourself can they get better? And the answer is “maybe”

That said Tulsa has some issues too…but they can pass. We can’t stop the pass in our current state.

Tulsa 49
NIU 52

Because…why not?

It'll be close. But I don't think they'll score that high. Hammock will force them to control the clock. Running the ball with all 11 in the box. 38-35. NIU!

When's the last time we played a low scoring game?

I get what you're saying but he's tried that in the past only to have the defense give up quick scores.

What’s “low scoring “?

O/U is 57. Combined with Tulsa -6 =

Tulsa 31.5
NIU. 25.5

If I could bet I’d take the over for sure.

To answer my own question, there were four games last year that I would think qualify (but I had to look it up to know).

I'm not counting the Maine game we won 41-14 because I'm not all that interested in how we played against and FCS school that went 6-5 even if they beat UMass.

With that said, we did this:

Won @ Georgia Tech - 22-21
Won vs Eastern Michigan - 27-20
Won @ Toledo - 22-20

Then, in the last regular season game we:

Won vs Kent State - 41-23

Fwiw, I hesitated on including the GT game being it was the 1st game of the year and I think there were a lot of things that happened in that game (for both teams) that didn't necessarily go forward into the year, but I think GT was worse than we realized before the season started so...well...I'm including it. It happened, it wasn't an outlier like the mismatch with Michigan and...its in there.

I'm basically looking at anything under 4 TDs as a "low scoring game" (and I'm looking at points allowed). We gave up 27 @ Buffalo but that game would require us to score 4 TDs so, I'm disqualifying it from "low scoring".

Hey, if we score 6 TDs, I'm all happy about it, I just would like to see us not HAVE to score 6 TDs to win a game.

I think if you can guarantee a win (or have a really good shot at winning most of your games) with 3 TDs and a FG, then you're going to do pretty good. Basically, holding your opponent below 24 points.

Last year, we gave up 33.7 (and scored 32.2) with the outlier being the Michigan game that really throws off the averages. Without that game in there, things look better (31.4 PA vs 33.9). At 31.4 PA/game, we have to score 4 TDs and a FG just to win each game (on average, obviously). We scored barely over that (basically add in the equivalent of a safety).

If you lower that number by a TD, that would be almost ideal.

After 1 game, we've held that average (34 points) of scoring and decreased the PA (27). If you want to look at Maine from last year (not a fair comparison but the only FCS schools on each schedule) we got worse on both fronts.

Things aren't looking positively going forward. But...we did see Rudolph develop last year and something like that can happen this year as well.

We clearly have the RBs but the loss of Rat probably is much more significant that we want to admit.

IF...we get a WR to really emerge and the line plays to its expectations, I'd almost say keeping pace with last year's offense would be a great accomplishment.

However, the defense MUST improve. I'm not sure this offense will be as good as last year so that means if there is a slight dip there, it has to be offset by an improvement on the other side of the ball. A big improvement would be really welcome but I'm not sure that's realistic.
You must be a fan of Bill James.
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(09-05-2022 02:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  You must be a fan of Bill James.

Eh...

I know he's a numbers guy, presumably smart, came up with the Fielding Bible which some people swear by and others dismiss, and works or worked for the Red Sox.

Other than that, I don't know much about him and never read any of his stuff.
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(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 02:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  You must be a fan of Bill James.

Eh...

I know he's a numbers guy, presumably smart, came up with the Fielding Bible which some people swear by and others dismiss, and works or worked for the Red Sox.

Other than that, I don't know much about him and never read any of his stuff.

You seem to look at the stats from a different view than most. That is what Bill James did. I enjoy your thinking.

And agree with your statement that people love Bill James or dismiss him.

One of the best analogies on Bill James was Billy Beane of the A's( Staunch Sabermetrics guy) and Kenny Williams who was old school. Billy Beane continued to make the playoffs on a shoestring budget, but compared to Kenny Williams, who has a World Series ring?
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(09-05-2022 03:03 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(09-05-2022 02:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  You must be a fan of Bill James.

Eh...

I know he's a numbers guy, presumably smart, came up with the Fielding Bible which some people swear by and others dismiss, and works or worked for the Red Sox.

Other than that, I don't know much about him and never read any of his stuff.

You seem to look at the stats from a different view than most. That is what Bill James did. I enjoy your thinking.

And agree with your statement that people love Bill James or dismiss him.

One of the best analogies on Bill James was Billy Beane of the A's( Staunch Sabermetrics guy) and Kenny Williams who was old school. Billy Beane continued to make the playoffs on a shoestring budget, but compared to Kenny Williams, who has a World Series ring?

Fair enough.

Yeah, I didn't quite get the analogy. I'm not sure if I try to look at it differently, I just usually go with what make sense to me and if someone has a better way (that I can wrap my head around and makes sense to me) I'll pivot.

But I know I can be a bit stubborn even if I don't try to be. If something makes sense to me, it's just hard for me to pivot off of it without good evidence.

When it comes to advanced stats in baseball (don't get me started on the complicated stats in hockey or basketball or football, none of that makes sense to me...but baseball is more digestible for some reason), there's somethings that make sense (OBP vs BA or expected stats) because I think baseball is much more individual and you can isolate the player and their contributions.

With other team sports, its way more complicated, imo.
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Kenny Williams has also won 3 division titles in 22 years, in one of the weakest divisions.
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