(09-06-2022 03:57 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 02:16 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 02:02 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  I say bake in the OU/UT exit fees (all of it) into new media deal.

?? The 2 things have nothing to do with each other. The legacy 8 should work out a deal and grab $$ that will be lost if the 2 stay thru 2025. Work out a deal for more than the Pac can get, try to grab the schools you want, and do an extension to the current deal. Maybe 5 years. Gives the conference time to adjust and be ready for the next merry go round.

Basically I'm sayin the TV partners can pay for their exit fees and then they can leave early.

Fox has no reason to pay, they lose TX and OK. ESPN yes.

(09-16-2022 09:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 03:57 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 02:16 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 02:02 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  I say bake in the OU/UT exit fees (all of it) into new media deal.

?? The 2 things have nothing to do with each other. The legacy 8 should work out a deal and grab $$ that will be lost if the 2 stay thru 2025. Work out a deal for more than the Pac can get, try to grab the schools you want, and do an extension to the current deal. Maybe 5 years. Gives the conference time to adjust and be ready for the next merry go round.

Basically I'm sayin the TV partners can pay for their exit fees and then they can leave early.

Fox has no reason to pay, they lose TX and OK. ESPN yes.

I think that people are overestimating Fox's desire for Texas and OU. If Texas and OU leave early they likely wouldn't mind since it would help their continuing partners the Big 12. Also, the year Texas and Oklahoma leave would be the year the new B1G mega TV package starts so at that point Texas and Oklahoma wouldnt really matter as much. And the New Big 12 already seems to be a ratings winner. If ESPN and Fox agree to an extension of the current deal I doubt that Fox and ESPN would balk at the Big 12 pushing UT and OU out and moving on.

I agree FOX is unlikely to fight the move. But the idea they will pay up to make it happen is dumb. At the end of the day, they will pay exactly what they think the B12 is worth to them. If an extension happens it is 100% because it works for all involved.

(09-16-2022 10:42 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I agree FOX is unlikely to fight the move. But the idea they will pay up to make it happen is dumb. At the end of the day, they will pay exactly what they think the B12 is worth to them. If an extension happens it is 100% because it works for all involved.

Fox wouldn't have to pay up because ESPN is the main partner for the Big 12. If Fox agrees to an extension then Texas and OU leaving doesn't really mean much since they would be paying the same amount no matter what. As far as the extension, obviously they'll pay what they feel the Big 12 is worth, that's true of every conference, no one said otherwise. The fact that they are willing to talk to the Big 12 and not the Pac-12 is the big deal and should be a sign that there is something in the works that benefits everyone. Yormark has been essentially talking to ESPN and Fox since June, thats why Fox sent out that release praising him and the Big 12.

I don't think this should surprise anyone, as it makes sense if you're paying attention and not distracted by some of the crazy rumors running around this board. But here's an article that has some interesting info about future expansion for the B1G and XII. I was unaware they share the same media partner, which makes the story make even more sense.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...est-looms/

Just another rehash article to make a few $$.

(09-16-2022 11:03 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 10:42 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I agree FOX is unlikely to fight the move. But the idea they will pay up to make it happen is dumb. At the end of the day, they will pay exactly what they think the B12 is worth to them. If an extension happens it is 100% because it works for all involved.

Fox wouldn't have to pay up because ESPN is the main partner for the Big 12. If Fox agrees to an extension then Texas and OU leaving doesn't really mean much since they would be paying the same amount no matter what. As far as the extension, obviously they'll pay what they feel the Big 12 is worth, that's true of every conference, no one said otherwise. The fact that they are willing to talk to the Big 12 and not the Pac-12 is the big deal and should be a sign that there is something in the works that benefits everyone. Yormark has been essentially talking to ESPN and Fox since June, thats why Fox sent out that release praising him and the Big 12.

ESPN and Fox pay pretty much equal amounts on the Big 12 TV deal

(09-29-2022 12:35 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Just another rehash article to make a few $$.

You don't rehash articles like that unless something is happening. Brett McMurphy hinted last week at B1G expansion view the Pac-12.

(09-28-2022 04:37 PM)JamesNathan Wrote:  I don't think this should surprise anyone, as it makes sense if you're paying attention and not distracted by some of the crazy rumors running around this board. But here's an article that has some interesting info about future expansion for the B1G and XII. I was unaware they share the same media partner, which makes the story make even more sense.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...est-looms/

Yep, I have no doubt that they are maneuvering together behind the scenes. The Big 12 will likely get a boost to 50 million per member but if the Pac-12 schools join I could see the payout jumping to 60 million per member.

(09-29-2022 02:20 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(09-29-2022 01:10 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

Maybe the Salt Lake City folks here will speak to the worthiness of the "Monty in the Morning" sports talk show, but the hosts did offer some outspoken (but plausible) views on the "progress" of the Pac-12's media rights negotiations with ESPN.

"We had heard that (the Pac-12 and ESPN) were $100M apart. We were told yesterday evening they were (much) farther apart ... In fact, sources in the TV industry tell us that ESPN is not willing to go beyond $800M total over 5 years. Meanwhile, the Pac-12 is asking for $1.5B over 5 years."

"That ($800M) is $16M per school per year — and that's not a workable number. Nobody is going to sign that grant of rights."

"The Pac-12 is lying in its deathbed right now and George Kliavkoff is absolutely the grim reaper of this conference. That interview with Canzano and Wilner (where GK insisted no Pac-12 schools would leave for the Big XII) has come back to bite him square on his (butt)."

Hosts seem to think Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington to the B1G, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah to the Big XII and Oregon State and Washington State to the Mountain West are foregone conclusions

the current pac offer is only 16M? seems low
would the b12 be much different?

(09-30-2022 11:29 AM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(09-28-2022 04:37 PM)JamesNathan Wrote:  

Yep, I have no doubt that they are maneuvering together behind the scenes. The Big 12 will likely get a boost to 50 million per member but if the Pac-12 schools join I could see the payout jumping to 60 million per member.

While I would love that, I think you are in fantasy land. Anything over 40 mil would be great. 50 is a home run.

(10-02-2022 06:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  While I would love that, I think you are in fantasy land. Anything over 40 mil would be great. 50 is a home run.

Totally agree. If we're being realistic this is the range we need to be hoping for.

(10-02-2022 03:06 PM)HornFrogFan Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 06:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  While I would love that, I think you are in fantasy land. Anything over 40 mil would be great. 50 is a home run.

Totally agree. If we're being realistic this is the range we need to be hoping for.

I would think anything above 35 is a plus. I am liking this new conf, but we are still a year away from a kill shot from SEC and a year away from the new start. The B12 is lucky they had the first dip into the G5, I think it grabbed the best off what there was to grab. The Pac will be looking at leftover's if they survive to look.

the math is not there
4C are being offered 64 milloin a yr from ESPN. [16 a yr]
4C to take B-12 from 40 to 50
is gonna take 360 a yr from 4C
35 a yr is 140 will cost B-12 schools 6 million yr

(10-03-2022 01:56 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the math is not there
4C are being offered 64 milloin a yr from ESPN. [16 a yr]
4C to take B-12 from 40 to 50
is gonna take 360 a yr from 4C
35 a yr is 140 will cost B-12 schools 6 million yr

I agree to a point, They are worth 16 to 20 in pac, but may well be worth more in B12 if ESPN thinks they will get better ratings vs current B12 schools. Lets say at the end of the day they get 20mil in Pac Deal and B12 get 35 mil and ESPN doesn't get the Big's West coast games, then 39mil each 156 million total is cheaper than the 240 mil to the entire Pac. And ESPN adds the 2 to 4 late games it needs every week.
That gets incoming schools up to 36 million and current B12 goes from 35 to 36. While that isn't a big bump for old schools, the B12 would be on very solid footing going forward.

It seems more likely the per school payout would be 25-40mil and the expansion would keep this per school payout the same

25M is 55% more than Pac
32M is 100% more than PAC
40M is 150% more than Pac

Why would picken up Pac schools make sence?

In terms of needing xtra PR & good, positive press,
and leverage on "future" TV/Streaming negotiations for the Big 12

The Month of October could B very, very good for da' Big 12

Started out with a great opening week in October as
TCU established itself a a contender,
Kansas kept its miracle season alive
And last yr's Big 12 Champ participants Ok ST/Baylor
played a "classic," competitive game

Now this week,
It sure helps da' Big 12 enormously
that ESPN Game Day chose Lawerence, Ks, to host
As undefeated (TCU/KU) play for 1st place in da' Big 12

And IF TCU wins, then Next week 10/15/22,
we could have 2 more undefeated Big 12 teams meet on the field
(Ok St @ TCU)

TCU could end up playing 4 ranked Big 12 teams in a row
for the month of October

Then both TCU & Ok St will close out the month, playing ranked K St

And for "new" Big 12 members Cinn/UCF
IF they hold "serve"
They'll meet in Orlando on 10/29/22
for a battle of conference undefeated foes

(10-03-2022 01:38 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  25M is 55% more than Pac
32M is 100% more than PAC
40M is 150% more than Pac

Why would picken up Pac schools make sence?

The whole is less than the sum of its parts. When Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville left the Big East, they were able to help that conference get a pay bump; even though those three had just been evaluated as part of the Big East months before for a lesser amount in total (Louisville was also part of the original AAC evaluation for $2M per school).

(10-03-2022 01:38 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  25M is 55% more than Pac
32M is 100% more than PAC
40M is 150% more than Pac

Why would picken up Pac schools make sence?

the conference could get a bump in its media package with expansion but the individual payout remains the same. reasons to do so would include adding competitive teams, increasing visibility, and more/better bowl contracts.