(08-25-2022 12:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 11:43 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:26 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 07:47 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Woah, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

Technically yes but it’s another example of the Vandy/Miami available data being misleading. It’s a narrow edge for App St but it’s also comparing ten fewer games. It’s not realistic to assume App would average enough over the next ten if we had the data for those games so ECU is likely ahead. Also ECU’s number goes up if you take the average of ten fewer games to even it out with App’s sample.

You're talking about unknown data though, which we can't do anything with besides speculate. Based on the data we have, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

App State has 27 games averaging 587k.

ECU has 37 averaging 546.

It's unlikely App State would have averaged enough on the next ten to be higher on a 37 game sample.

ECU's top 27 average 707k but albeit against a much better opposing schedule.

Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

(08-25-2022 11:54 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  It's interesting to me in the MWC graphic that Wyoming is one of the better draws. Such a small state and necessarily limited fan base, but I've always felt like state flagships have some additional value that isn't always captured in the population/tv household type metrics.

Kind of in the middle although 2019 vs Boise on prime time ESPN really boosts them with 1.1M while 2019 vs CSU on ESPN2 Friday and 2016 CCG vs SDSU help them.

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 11:43 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:26 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 07:47 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Woah, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

Technically yes but it’s another example of the Vandy/Miami available data being misleading. It’s a narrow edge for App St but it’s also comparing ten fewer games. It’s not realistic to assume App would average enough over the next ten if we had the data for those games so ECU is likely ahead. Also ECU’s number goes up if you take the average of ten fewer games to even it out with App’s sample.

You're talking about unknown data though, which we can't do anything with besides speculate. Based on the data we have, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

App State has 27 games averaging 587k.

ECU has 37 averaging 546.

It's unlikely App State would have averaged enough on the next ten to be higher on a 37 game sample.

ECU's top 27 average 707k but albeit against a much better opposing schedule.

Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 11:43 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 08:26 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Technically yes but it’s another example of the Vandy/Miami available data being misleading. It’s a narrow edge for App St but it’s also comparing ten fewer games. It’s not realistic to assume App would average enough over the next ten if we had the data for those games so ECU is likely ahead. Also ECU’s number goes up if you take the average of ten fewer games to even it out with App’s sample.

You're talking about unknown data though, which we can't do anything with besides speculate. Based on the data we have, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

App State has 27 games averaging 587k.

ECU has 37 averaging 546.

It's unlikely App State would have averaged enough on the next ten to be higher on a 37 game sample.

ECU's top 27 average 707k but albeit against a much better opposing schedule.

Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 11:43 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You're talking about unknown data though, which we can't do anything with besides speculate. Based on the data we have, Appalachian State averages more viewers than East Carolina.

App State has 27 games averaging 587k.

ECU has 37 averaging 546.

It's unlikely App State would have averaged enough on the next ten to be higher on a 37 game sample.

ECU's top 27 average 707k but albeit against a much better opposing schedule.

Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  App State has 27 games averaging 587k.

ECU has 37 averaging 546.

It's unlikely App State would have averaged enough on the next ten to be higher on a 37 game sample.

ECU's top 27 average 707k but albeit against a much better opposing schedule.

Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Your logic would rank 2018 Vandy over 2018 Miami- it's foolish.


Everyone's best games are the ones that make it to nationally rated networks with very rare exception.

Even #'s of games make for more equal comparison. ECU wins when the # of their top games equals what App St has.

(08-25-2022 01:21 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Your logic would rank 2018 Vandy over 2018 Miami- it's foolish.


Everyone's best games are the ones that make it to nationally rated networks with very rare exception.

Even #'s of games make for more equal comparison. ECU wins when the # of their top games equals what App St has.

Uh, no. My "logic" doesn't do that, because I'm looking at the entire dataset, which spans 8 years (2013-2021).

You're trying to cherry pick data to manufacture an opinion which can't be proven from the dataset.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

This is the tv ratings study that should be cited by media outlets. Not the laughably bad Medium article.

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:26 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Why not? You don't know that. No one does, because that data doesn't exist.

It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

34th overall, 5th in ACC

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:32 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  It's easy to make an educated guess when the worst AppSt games averaged in the low 100k range. Besides the top 27 average we do have data for and it's not close.

That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's all it is, a speculative guess. Not only that, but a guess which isn't based on fact.

The actual, real conclusion, based on real data: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

...not that I have a dawg in the hunt at ALL (well, perhaps a 'slight' defense of my once and future conference brethren in ECU ), but... wouldn't Appy's numbers be a bit 'skewed' by appearing on the weeknight 'FunBelt' games? It's one thing to have your game on at 3 on Saturday, going up against 4-5 other games, compared to being pretty much the ONLY game on a given weeknight - Thursdays might be less due to NFL... JUST throwing that out there...

(08-25-2022 02:36 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

...not that I have a dawg in the hunt at ALL (well, perhaps a 'slight' defense of my once and future conference brethren in ECU ), but... wouldn't Appy's numbers be a bit 'skewed' by appearing on the weeknight 'FunBelt' games? It's one thing to have your game on at 3 on Saturday, going up against 4-5 other games, compared to being pretty much the ONLY game on a given weeknight - Thursdays might be less due to NFL... JUST throwing that out there...

Well that's one of the qualifications the author makes. Network, time slot, competition, all factor in. He is NOT taking that into account so there are limitations.

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 12:43 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  The more relevant conclusion that equally samples real data is that when averaging the same number of games (27) ECU clearly outpaces AppSt from 2013-2021- 707k-587k.

That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

There's no "27 best games" against "someone else's 37". One school has 27 data records. Another has 37 data records. That's the complete dataset. It's beyond ridiculous to assume that if you added 10 App games, they would automatically be the 10 lowest App games. That's speculation, and has no basis in the reality of this dataset.

Data "lies" when bias and tampering is introduced. One example of that is to intentionally leave out 10 records you don't like. One way to lessen the effect of bias and tampering is to look at the most complete dataset possible.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).


Could that change if more App games were on TV? The only way to find out is to put more App games on TV.

(08-25-2022 02:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 01:17 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's extremely biased, because you're choosing which of ECU's 27 games to use.

You're choosing to look at ECU's 27 best games instead of all 37. In order to gain a more accurate and truthful representation of any dataset, you can't ignore the 10 records you don't like.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

There's no "27 best games" against "someone else's 37". One school has 27 data records. Another has 37 data records. That's the complete dataset. It's beyond ridiculous to assume that if you added 10 App games, they would automatically be the 10 lowest App games. That's speculation, and has no basis in the reality of this dataset.

Data "lies" when bias and tampering is introduced. One example of that is to intentionally leave out 10 records you don't like. One way to lessen the effect of bias and tampering is to look at the most complete dataset possible.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).


Could that change if more App games were on TV? The only way to find out is to put more App games on TV.

Read the article. You might then understand. As pointed out above, if you use Vanderbilt's 2 data points in 2018, they average better than Miami (FL) does on their 11. All schools have declining curves on their ratings as shown in Miami's curve earlier in the thread.

(08-25-2022 04:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

There's no "27 best games" against "someone else's 37". One school has 27 data records. Another has 37 data records. That's the complete dataset. It's beyond ridiculous to assume that if you added 10 App games, they would automatically be the 10 lowest App games. That's speculation, and has no basis in the reality of this dataset.

Data "lies" when bias and tampering is introduced. One example of that is to intentionally leave out 10 records you don't like. One way to lessen the effect of bias and tampering is to look at the most complete dataset possible.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).


Could that change if more App games were on TV? The only way to find out is to put more App games on TV.

Read the article. You might then understand. As pointed out above, if you use Vanderbilt's 2 data points in 2018, they average better than Miami (FL) does on their 11. All schools have declining curves on their ratings as shown in Miami's curve earlier in the thread.

I read the article. Are you reading my replies? Analyzing a larger dataset gives a clearer picture of what's actually happening. That's what I've been saying this entire time. The findings are more accurate when you use the entire dataset (all 8 years, or all 37 ECU games), not just the records you want to use (only 2018, only the top 27 ECU games).

Based on the complete dataset, Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).

(08-25-2022 04:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:40 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:19 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 02:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  Read the article. Look at the graphs. There's a clear dropoff for even Alabama and Ohio St. the more games you add.

Do you not understand how "Average" is calculated?

Do you not understand the concept of "lies, damn lies and statistics?" You clearly don't understand the article and may not have even read it. Taking one school's best 27 games and comparing it to someone else's 37 games gives you a meaningless result.

There's no "27 best games" against "someone else's 37". One school has 27 data records. Another has 37 data records. That's the complete dataset. It's beyond ridiculous to assume that if you added 10 App games, they would automatically be the 10 lowest App games. That's speculation, and has no basis in the reality of this dataset.

Data "lies" when bias and tampering is introduced. One example of that is to intentionally leave out 10 records you don't like. One way to lessen the effect of bias and tampering is to look at the most complete dataset possible.

The actual, real conclusion, based on the complete dataset: Appalachian State averages more viewers (0.587mm) than East Carolina (0.547mm).


Could that change if more App games were on TV? The only way to find out is to put more App games on TV.

Read the article. You might then understand. As pointed out above, if you use Vanderbilt's 2 data points in 2018, they average better than Miami (FL) does on their 11. All schools have declining curves on their ratings as shown in Miami's curve earlier in the thread.

Of course they do, the curves are showing the games in order of highest viewership to lowest. It's impossible to show anything BUT a decline. The assumption you're making is that the more games you add the lower the viewership becomes, but that's not correct. That would be the case if all the games were in the same season and you plotted them by order of when they happened and it showed a decline, but that's not at all what the data is doing. Dates are irrelevant and it's simply most to least. Ohio State could have a game tomorrow that's their highest rated game. More likely it'll fall somewhere in the middle of their curve though, but it's not a case where adding an additional game will make the curve decline more.

The issue here is that what you're doing is assuming that an additional 10 games for App State would be at the end of the curve as opposed to in the middle of the curve, or even at the beginning of the curve (meaning: any 10 additional games could be their highest viewed one, their lowest viewed one, or somewhere else in the middle).

This is statistical analysis, and therefore you need decent sample sizes to extrapolate what games outside of the given data set will look like. A sample of 2 is not big enough (same with a sample of 6 from my own UMass). A sample of 27 compared to a sample of 37 is much more reasonable. It's not perfect, yeah, but it does a pretty good job at showing a trend.

He is completely correct that you can't just take the lowest 10 and remove them from the East Carolina dataset for a comparison. What you would need to do is randomly remove 10 of them if you want the same number of games to compare against. It should end up showing about what the average is showing now because of how probability works, but it could also make the average higher or lower (but it won't change much if it was truly randomly selected).

It was shocking to me to see how close OSU was to texas. And sure OSU has been better on the field since 2013, but not that much better. 6 top 25 finishes vs 3 for texas, with only 1 top 10 between the 2 of them.