(09-16-2022 07:32 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 07:27 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 03:32 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ODU fans are going to be pissed when they realize JMU will treat App as a bigger rival.

ODU gets really pissed when 757 players (they know the local high school players) come back to Norfuk and whip dey a##es

I knew nothing of you guys’ football history against each other so I looked it up, and ODU is undefeated against JMU.

So how the heck would you even know what they'd feel like if you showed up and “whipped their asses”? You’ve never even beaten them.

(09-16-2022 06:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 04:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Like shooting fish in a barrel…

In your “professional 30+ year career evaluating college rankings blah, blah, bllah” you actually tried to make the comment that JMU has a better engineering department than ODU, tried to back it up with USNWR rankings but failed to grasp the fact that your school is not even close to being on the same level of research as us????? And now you’re going to act like it didn’t happen and continue to be smug and expect us to let it go??? For those that are confused there’s a whole thread on JMU’s board about USNRW ranking because they finally became a National University and they’re so damn arrogant and better than the Sun Belt. Big surprise for anyone who’s visited their board, right? And LH here is the chief shitlord. So I’m calling you out. Post a link to those rankings you pretentious panty waste or STFU. I guarantee you’re not going to find us ranked 150th in engineering programs that don’t offer a doctoral degree anymore than we’ll find you in 18th in one’s that do. Because we do and you don’t. Because we’re an actual research university and your a freaking teachers college that’s aspiring to have what we already do. We’re R1 and garner more engineering research dollars in a year than than your ****** department is worth. Yes we have a high acceptance rate and low completion rate because we serve the community we reside in and your school is filled with rich Yankees majoring in history that will have to pick a different school for a graduate degree. So put up or admit despite your 30+ years of being a pompous ass that doesn’t contribute to society you were wrong like a real man would do.

I apologize to the board but this is nothing new. For reference:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946873-page-4.html

If you read from last page backwards it doesn’t take long to find the bad mouthing of SB schools and ODU in particular.

Put up or tell us you’re wrong LH. There’s no ignoring this ****.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/old...l-rankings

Click “See all rankings”

Yep. Nothing new. ODU fans are super sensitive. Easy to bait. Good to be in the same conference again.

OK now tell us that you were wrong because under that 150th rating is written clear as day:

“At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate”

Which surely is not written under your #18 rating or you’d be like Ga Tech or something.

I wouldn’t make this big of deal for most people but your proclaimed professional status and generally being an ass about it I’m gonna need you to admit it. Doesn’t really matter to me if you’re a liar or an idiot. A simple I was wrong will do and we can move on from any silly notion that JMUs engineering programs could hold a candle to ours.

What this guy keeps forgetting is not only we are on different levels but this god awful ranking also puts 20% of its weight on expert opinion(we all know how they can be) and 10% on the students funding sources and a whopping 2% on how the kid did in high school and during his attendance at the said school. Stupid rankings for uppity ass hillbillies.

You know what the ONLY criteria should be for ranking schools? Success rate of students after graduation in the field in which they studied.

-Rate of students that landed jobs in their field.
-Average starting pay of students who landed jobs in their desired field.
-Average pay 5 years after graduation of students working in their field of study.

Etc.

(09-16-2022 09:55 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  You know what the ONLY criteria should be for ranking schools? Success rate of students after graduation in the field in which they studied.

-Rate of students that landed jobs in their field.
-Average starting pay of students who landed jobs in their desired field.
-Average pay 5 years after graduation of students working in their field of study.

Etc.

I am not sure if we should limit the criteria to only these because we will have graduates who turn out to be entrepreneurs in various sectors and their draw of money takes a different trajectory and sometimes a longer one than 5 years before they can cut themselves a fat check. I do like these as part of good core criteria rather than some expert weighing on these rankings.

(09-16-2022 03:32 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ODU fans are going to be pissed when they realize JMU will treat App as a bigger rival.

Eh….we’re gonna fight like siblings regardless what happens on the field or court. It’s an in state thing. Personally I foresee potential rivalries among everyone in the east. A Battle Royale.

(09-16-2022 07:31 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  There’s a couple posts here that are questionable that could technically be subject to moderation/cleanup. But this thread has obviously turned to smack. So to be fair to other threads that have moved to Smack between other fanbases, this one is getting moved as well. Feel free to keep it going over here.

So we can take the gloves off now?

(09-16-2022 06:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 04:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Like shooting fish in a barrel…

In your “professional 30+ year career evaluating college rankings blah, blah, bllah” you actually tried to make the comment that JMU has a better engineering department than ODU, tried to back it up with USNWR rankings but failed to grasp the fact that your school is not even close to being on the same level of research as us????? And now you’re going to act like it didn’t happen and continue to be smug and expect us to let it go??? For those that are confused there’s a whole thread on JMU’s board about USNRW ranking because they finally became a National University and they’re so damn arrogant and better than the Sun Belt. Big surprise for anyone who’s visited their board, right? And LH here is the chief shitlord. So I’m calling you out. Post a link to those rankings you pretentious panty waste or STFU. I guarantee you’re not going to find us ranked 150th in engineering programs that don’t offer a doctoral degree anymore than we’ll find you in 18th in one’s that do. Because we do and you don’t. Because we’re an actual research university and your a freaking teachers college that’s aspiring to have what we already do. We’re R1 and garner more engineering research dollars in a year than than your ****** department is worth. Yes we have a high acceptance rate and low completion rate because we serve the community we reside in and your school is filled with rich Yankees majoring in history that will have to pick a different school for a graduate degree. So put up or admit despite your 30+ years of being a pompous ass that doesn’t contribute to society you were wrong like a real man would do.

I apologize to the board but this is nothing new. For reference:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946873-page-4.html

If you read from last page backwards it doesn’t take long to find the bad mouthing of SB schools and ODU in particular.

Put up or tell us you’re wrong LH. There’s no ignoring this ****.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/old...l-rankings

Click “See all rankings”

Yep. Nothing new. ODU fans are super sensitive. Easy to bait. Good to be in the same conference again.

OK now tell us that you were wrong because under that 150th rating is written clear as day:

“At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate”

Which surely is not written under your #18 rating or you’d be like Ga Tech or something.

I wouldn’t make this big of deal for most people but your proclaimed professional status and generally being an ass about it I’m gonna need you to admit it. Doesn’t really matter to me if you’re a liar or an idiot. A simple I was wrong will do and we can move on from any silly notion that JMUs engineering programs could hold a candle to ours.

Apparently your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. The rating of 150 (which may too high) is for your undergraduate engineering program, that happens to be offered in an engineering program that offers a doctorate in engineering.

No charge for the professional consultation.

(09-16-2022 11:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 06:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 04:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Like shooting fish in a barrel…

In your “professional 30+ year career evaluating college rankings blah, blah, bllah” you actually tried to make the comment that JMU has a better engineering department than ODU, tried to back it up with USNWR rankings but failed to grasp the fact that your school is not even close to being on the same level of research as us????? And now you’re going to act like it didn’t happen and continue to be smug and expect us to let it go??? For those that are confused there’s a whole thread on JMU’s board about USNRW ranking because they finally became a National University and they’re so damn arrogant and better than the Sun Belt. Big surprise for anyone who’s visited their board, right? And LH here is the chief shitlord. So I’m calling you out. Post a link to those rankings you pretentious panty waste or STFU. I guarantee you’re not going to find us ranked 150th in engineering programs that don’t offer a doctoral degree anymore than we’ll find you in 18th in one’s that do. Because we do and you don’t. Because we’re an actual research university and your a freaking teachers college that’s aspiring to have what we already do. We’re R1 and garner more engineering research dollars in a year than than your ****** department is worth. Yes we have a high acceptance rate and low completion rate because we serve the community we reside in and your school is filled with rich Yankees majoring in history that will have to pick a different school for a graduate degree. So put up or admit despite your 30+ years of being a pompous ass that doesn’t contribute to society you were wrong like a real man would do.

I apologize to the board but this is nothing new. For reference:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946873-page-4.html

If you read from last page backwards it doesn’t take long to find the bad mouthing of SB schools and ODU in particular.

Put up or tell us you’re wrong LH. There’s no ignoring this ****.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/old...l-rankings

Click “See all rankings”

Yep. Nothing new. ODU fans are super sensitive. Easy to bait. Good to be in the same conference again.

OK now tell us that you were wrong because under that 150th rating is written clear as day:

“At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate”

Which surely is not written under your #18 rating or you’d be like Ga Tech or something.

I wouldn’t make this big of deal for most people but your proclaimed professional status and generally being an ass about it I’m gonna need you to admit it. Doesn’t really matter to me if you’re a liar or an idiot. A simple I was wrong will do and we can move on from any silly notion that JMUs engineering programs could hold a candle to ours.

Apparently your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. The rating of 150 (which may too high) is for your undergraduate engineering program, that happens to be offered in an engineering program that offers a doctorate in engineering.

No charge for the professional consultation.

No I get that but apparently my reading comprehension does need work. I thought in your original post both ratings read “ (for undergraduate engineering programs not offering doctoral degrees) “ but our rating did not contain the word “not” apparently. So I was wrong about that. Apparently you’re not an idiot just intellectually dishonest to make the comparison the way you did and come to the conclusion that JMU had the better undergraduate engineering program.

Here’s the facts. JMU offers a single engineering degree and shared a building with biosciences. ODU has an entire college of engineering and technology offering 10 undergraduate degrees (plus graduate and doctoral degrees of course). We have more full time faculty devoted to engineering than you had students graduate with a BS in engineering last year. It’s night and day. Congrats on being the 18th best liberal arts college to offer a degree in engineering though.

(09-16-2022 11:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 07:31 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  There’s a couple posts here that are questionable that could technically be subject to moderation/cleanup. But this thread has obviously turned to smack. So to be fair to other threads that have moved to Smack between other fanbases, this one is getting moved as well. Feel free to keep it going over here.

So we can take the gloves off now?

You can take off the gloves. But while we are looser with the rules over here, there are still rules. Don't go overboard.

(09-16-2022 12:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 06:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 04:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 09:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  In your “professional 30+ year career evaluating college rankings blah, blah, bllah” you actually tried to make the comment that JMU has a better engineering department than ODU, tried to back it up with USNWR rankings but failed to grasp the fact that your school is not even close to being on the same level of research as us????? And now you’re going to act like it didn’t happen and continue to be smug and expect us to let it go??? For those that are confused there’s a whole thread on JMU’s board about USNRW ranking because they finally became a National University and they’re so damn arrogant and better than the Sun Belt. Big surprise for anyone who’s visited their board, right? And LH here is the chief shitlord. So I’m calling you out. Post a link to those rankings you pretentious panty waste or STFU. I guarantee you’re not going to find us ranked 150th in engineering programs that don’t offer a doctoral degree anymore than we’ll find you in 18th in one’s that do. Because we do and you don’t. Because we’re an actual research university and your a freaking teachers college that’s aspiring to have what we already do. We’re R1 and garner more engineering research dollars in a year than than your ****** department is worth. Yes we have a high acceptance rate and low completion rate because we serve the community we reside in and your school is filled with rich Yankees majoring in history that will have to pick a different school for a graduate degree. So put up or admit despite your 30+ years of being a pompous ass that doesn’t contribute to society you were wrong like a real man would do.

I apologize to the board but this is nothing new. For reference:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946873-page-4.html

If you read from last page backwards it doesn’t take long to find the bad mouthing of SB schools and ODU in particular.

Put up or tell us you’re wrong LH. There’s no ignoring this ****.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/old...l-rankings

Click “See all rankings”

Yep. Nothing new. ODU fans are super sensitive. Easy to bait. Good to be in the same conference again.

OK now tell us that you were wrong because under that 150th rating is written clear as day:

“At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate”

Which surely is not written under your #18 rating or you’d be like Ga Tech or something.

I wouldn’t make this big of deal for most people but your proclaimed professional status and generally being an ass about it I’m gonna need you to admit it. Doesn’t really matter to me if you’re a liar or an idiot. A simple I was wrong will do and we can move on from any silly notion that JMUs engineering programs could hold a candle to ours.

Apparently your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. The rating of 150 (which may too high) is for your undergraduate engineering program, that happens to be offered in an engineering program that offers a doctorate in engineering.

No charge for the professional consultation.

No I get that but apparently my reading comprehension does need work. I thought in your original post both ratings read “ (for undergraduate engineering programs not offering doctoral degrees) “ but our rating did not contain the word “not” apparently. So I was wrong about that. Apparently you’re not an idiot just intellectually dishonest to make the comparison the way you did and come to the conclusion that JMU had the better undergraduate engineering program.

Here’s the facts. JMU offers a single engineering degree and shared a building with biosciences. ODU has an entire college of engineering and technology offering 10 undergraduate degrees (plus graduate and doctoral degrees of course). We have more full time faculty devoted to engineering than you had students graduate with a BS in engineering last year. It’s night and day. Congrats on being the 18th best liberal arts college to offer a degree in engineering though.

Yep. Surprise, surprise.

And you remain wrong. Your argument is with USNWR.

(09-16-2022 05:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  This thread has convinced me of the side I’ll take in the ODU / JMU rivalry.

I always love the Richard measuring contests when it comes to academics. I graduated from lowly old Coastal Carolina University and I have people that report to me that went to “prestigious” schools, and they’re older than me too.

Your success will be determined by what you put in. Not by some obscure ranking determined by some academic who has never done a real job in their life.

Don't know how many "prestigious" grads report to you at your Bojangles bro, but you sure seem insecure to me.

(09-16-2022 05:25 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 05:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  This thread has convinced me of the side I’ll take in the ODU / JMU rivalry.

I always love the Richard measuring contests when it comes to academics. I graduated from lowly old Coastal Carolina University and I have people that report to me that went to “prestigious” schools, and they’re older than me too.

Your success will be determined by what you put in. Not by some obscure ranking determined by some academic who has never done a real job in their life.

Don't know how many "prestigious" grads report to you at your Bojangles bro, but you sure seem insecure to me.

Ok

(09-16-2022 04:37 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 12:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 11:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 06:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-16-2022 04:45 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/old...l-rankings

Click “See all rankings”

Yep. Nothing new. ODU fans are super sensitive. Easy to bait. Good to be in the same conference again.

OK now tell us that you were wrong because under that 150th rating is written clear as day:

“At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate”

Which surely is not written under your #18 rating or you’d be like Ga Tech or something.

I wouldn’t make this big of deal for most people but your proclaimed professional status and generally being an ass about it I’m gonna need you to admit it. Doesn’t really matter to me if you’re a liar or an idiot. A simple I was wrong will do and we can move on from any silly notion that JMUs engineering programs could hold a candle to ours.

Apparently your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. The rating of 150 (which may too high) is for your undergraduate engineering program, that happens to be offered in an engineering program that offers a doctorate in engineering.

No charge for the professional consultation.

No I get that but apparently my reading comprehension does need work. I thought in your original post both ratings read “ (for undergraduate engineering programs not offering doctoral degrees) “ but our rating did not contain the word “not” apparently. So I was wrong about that. Apparently you’re not an idiot just intellectually dishonest to make the comparison the way you did and come to the conclusion that JMU had the better undergraduate engineering program.

Here’s the facts. JMU offers a single engineering degree and shared a building with biosciences. ODU has an entire college of engineering and technology offering 10 undergraduate degrees (plus graduate and doctoral degrees of course). We have more full time faculty devoted to engineering than you had students graduate with a BS in engineering last year. It’s night and day. Congrats on being the 18th best liberal arts college to offer a degree in engineering though.

Yep. Surprise, surprise.

And you remain wrong. Your argument is with USNWR.

What? I take it back, you are an idiot. You’re the one that tried to use incomparable ratings to try to make a point. And that’s not the verbiage that US News uses so you seemingly made it misleading on purpose.

Reign on, Monarchs, reign on.

My new second favorite Sun belt team.

(09-16-2022 08:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Here’s the facts. JMU offers a single engineering degree and shared a building with biosciences. ODU has an entire college of engineering and technology offering 10 undergraduate degrees (plus graduate and doctoral degrees of course). We have more full time faculty devoted to engineering than you had students graduate with a BS in engineering last year. It’s night and day. Congrats on being the 18th best liberal arts college to offer a degree in engineering though.

Yep, and JMU’s undergraduate engineering program keeps company in the top 20 rankings with the likes of the military academies, Cal Tech, Bucknell, and Lafayette.

ODU’s undergraduate engineering (in the category of institutions offering doctorates)? ODU’s company at #150 is UTSA, UNLV, and Wright State. That’s fine, however, I don’t think most people would say UTSA or UNLV’s undergraduate engineering programs are the equal to those offered at the Naval or Air Force Academies.

Bigger (as in having an established college of engineering offering advanced engineering degrees) does not equate to providing undergraduates stronger or better undergraduate engineering programs. If you don’t understand how that distinction might be true then you’re only fooling yourself.

Again, if you don’t like ODU’s undergraduate engineering ranking your problem is with USNWR. Even VCU’s engineering program is ranked higher than ODU, and VCU also offers a doctorate.

(09-16-2022 05:59 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  This thread has convinced me of the side I’ll take in the ODU / JMU rivalry.

I always love the Richard measuring contests when it comes to academics. I graduated from lowly old Coastal Carolina University and I have people that report to me that went to “prestigious” schools, and they’re older than me too.

Your success will be determined by what you put in. Not by some obscure ranking determined by some academic who has never done a real job in their life.

I'm with you on that mindset CoastalAlum2011.

I never attended any college. I purchased some college text books - Calculus, Chemistry, Dynamics, Engineering Economics, Electricity / Electronics, Fluid Mechanics, Strength of Materials, Statics, and Thermodynamics - and studied diligently at home after working at my job in Electronics, and on weekends in my spare time for a little over 4 years. I filled out the application and convinced the state of VA to allow me to take the Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) exam and passed it.

I spent the last 30+ years of my 40+ career working in Engineering doing Interior Communications and Weapon Systems jobs. The last 15 years of that time I was in charge of a group that at any time had from 8 - 12 Engineers working under my direction. Among the schools that those engineers came from were - Georgia Tech, NC State, ODU, Penn State, Purdue, UMASS, VA Tech, and VCU. On the job experience and knowing how to apply what you know (from your education, reasoning ability, and EXPERIENCE) makes a big difference. I found that school alone didn't make one employee better at the job than another one was.

Longhorn is one of the worst Duke posters. We can all agree on that. His high horse is very high. It poops alot too.

(09-22-2022 10:44 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Longhorn is one of the worst Duke posters. We can all agree on that. His high horse is very high. It poops alot too.

Seems the same as all of their fans.

Nah, extensive research says they're mostly cool. Just a bit of inflated egos from being 2nd best (ish) in the FCS for a long time.