(08-23-2022 12:37 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:13 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 09:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Stop lying. 5:58PM on the 14th. Straight from ERCOT. What sort of mental condition compels you to keep lying when you are already proven wrong?

Texas was about 5 minutes away from a black start because they didn’t regulate their operators to winterize properly and the natural gas supply wasn’t winterized properly for the conditions.

lulz, stop lying? Im using your own pdf and charts to prove you wrong.

I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

And you pretty much havent disagreed with the fact that they requested authorization early in the morning on the 14th and didnt get it until 6pm even by your own admission.

Like I said, bureaucratic red tape kills people.

The approval was sent to the people who needed it at 5:58PM. You can see the time stamp on the message from ERCOT.

Stop lying.

And even if it were true, it was too late.

Now you're moving the goal posts. You’ve been harping about the 15th for 30 posts. Now you want to claim same day approval was too late.

ERCOT didn’t start load shedding until 8 hours after the approval was sent to generators. ERCOT was able to access an additional 1400Mw thanks to these measures.

You know how long they had to winterize? Since 2011.

You are grasping at straws and lying in an attempt to blame Biden for an outage caused by the state of Texas’s failure to regulate winterization of the generation and natural gas systems after the 2011 outage.

Wrong.

I said that the approval came too late.

You kept posting a pdf that said the approval came prior to the event.

I tried nicely to point out you were getting hoodwinked by semantics, that even though approval came before the "event" (otherwise known as the failure), approval came too late to prevent the failure.

This is what happens when you simply get hoodwinked and believe what you are told.

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 10:43 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 09:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 07:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  You posted it. Go ahead. Your own very graph shows that Biden* failed to authorize the startup of the backup generators until it was too late.

I used to think you were a willfully ignorant troll, but now I’m really starting to think you can’t read.

What do you think “Prior to the event” means? So ERCOT, in their official post mortem, says the DOE approved it prior to the event. Whatever you think you heard on Alex Jones means nothing.

Talk about painting with a broad brush. What makes you think he listens to Alex Jones?

Alex Jones started the lie that he continues to repeat.

I have no idea what Alex Jones said. However, your own chart proves what I said. I watched this unfold in real time. I dont need some pdf to tell me after the fact what all people did and didnt do. The authorization from the Biden* administration came too late to stop this. I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have not really researched in detail, but my contemporaneous understanding was that the DOE approval came before the power outage, but not early enough to allow sufficient lead time to take the actions requested. Those generators don't turn on and come up to speed instantly, particularly when they have been shut down for a while. If anybody can confirm or deny that, I would appreciate it.

Thank you, you are exactly correct.

ERCOT requested the ability to start spinning the fossil generators up early on Sunday, so that the systems could be ready to come to power by the time the hard freeze was to hit, which would prevent them from being delayed on startup further due to the very low temps that were forecasted.

But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

So while Pdf Elvis keeps saying that the approval to startup the generators came prior to the "event", it was delayed and didnt come by the time it needed to.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 09:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC the 14th was 24 hours long, and the request was sent early on the 14th and the approval very late on the 14th.

It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 09:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 08:14 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 06:25 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The bottom line is that it took a once (or less) in a lifetime event to find a weakness in the ERCOT system. Whereas places like California regularly have rolling blackouts/brownouts, ERCOT's reliability, day in and day out, is quite good.

More like once a decade. Texas had rolling blackouts in 1989 and 2011 due to winter storms. In 2011 3.2M people were without power (4.4M in 2021). The postmortem of the 2011 event calls out winterization recommendations that were never implemented.

TX lawmakers passed laws this time to require winterization of both the generators and the natural gas system (it has more time to complete) and ERCOT has changed their operations protocol to pay generators to come online earlier even if it costs more. So it’s taken state regulations to improve reliability of the deregulated energy grid.

And if they still have to wait on a dc bureaucrat to give the ok to start them up, they are still in the same boat. You got to remember that there are DC dinner parties these guys go to, and you cant interrupt that for anything, even if people are in danger and dying.

Texas DOES need to budget for winterization of the wind turbines, because even your pdf report admitted they were the first to go offline and suffered major outages.

Funny how you libturds wanted to blame Michael Brown for Katrina, where the response failure was purely on Louisiana democrats, and not blame DC bureaucrats for the Texas disaster, where a single person in dc was holding up signing off and caused a major catastrophe.

By the way, according to your own pdf, Texas was about 5 minutes away from a complete shutdown of their grid. This is what happens when you cant get power to the grid fast enough because some idiot in DC wants to have one more pina colada before dealing with signing off on some paperwork.

Stop lying. 5:58PM on the 14th. Straight from ERCOT. What sort of mental condition compels you to keep lying when you are already proven wrong?

Texas was about 5 minutes away from a black start because they didn’t regulate their operators to winterize properly and the natural gas supply wasn’t winterized properly for the conditions.

lulz, stop lying? Im using your own pdf and charts to prove you wrong.

I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

And you pretty much havent disagreed with the fact that they requested authorization early in the morning on the 14th and didnt get it until 6pm even by your own admission.

Like I said, bureaucratic red tape kills people.

(08-23-2022 12:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:37 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:13 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  lulz, stop lying? Im using your own pdf and charts to prove you wrong.

I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

And you pretty much havent disagreed with the fact that they requested authorization early in the morning on the 14th and didnt get it until 6pm even by your own admission.

Like I said, bureaucratic red tape kills people.

The approval was sent to the people who needed it at 5:58PM. You can see the time stamp on the message from ERCOT.

Stop lying.

And even if it were true, it was too late.

Now you're moving the goal posts. You’ve been harping about the 15th for 30 posts. Now you want to claim same day approval was too late.

ERCOT didn’t start load shedding until 8 hours after the approval was sent to generators. ERCOT was able to access an additional 1400Mw thanks to these measures.

You know how long they had to winterize? Since 2011.

You are grasping at straws and lying in an attempt to blame Biden for an outage caused by the state of Texas’s failure to regulate winterization of the generation and natural gas systems after the 2011 outage.

Wrong.

I said that the approval came too late.

You kept posting a pdf that said the approval came prior to the event.

I tried nicely to point out you were getting hoodwinked by semantics, that even though approval came before the "event" (otherwise known as the failure), approval came too late to prevent the failure.

This is what happens when you simply get hoodwinked and believe what you are told.

Why would you lie about what you posted in this thread? Are you stupid?

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

(08-23-2022 01:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 10:43 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 09:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I used to think you were a willfully ignorant troll, but now I’m really starting to think you can’t read.

What do you think “Prior to the event” means? So ERCOT, in their official post mortem, says the DOE approved it prior to the event. Whatever you think you heard on Alex Jones means nothing.

Talk about painting with a broad brush. What makes you think he listens to Alex Jones?

Alex Jones started the lie that he continues to repeat.

I have no idea what Alex Jones said. However, your own chart proves what I said. I watched this unfold in real time. I dont need some pdf to tell me after the fact what all people did and didnt do. The authorization from the Biden* administration came too late to stop this. I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have not really researched in detail, but my contemporaneous understanding was that the DOE approval came before the power outage, but not early enough to allow sufficient lead time to take the actions requested. Those generators don't turn on and come up to speed instantly, particularly when they have been shut down for a while. If anybody can confirm or deny that, I would appreciate it.

Thank you, you are exactly correct.

ERCOT requested the ability to start spinning the fossil generators up early on Sunday, so that the systems could be ready to come to power by the time the hard freeze was to hit, which would prevent them from being delayed on startup further due to the very low temps that were forecasted.

But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

So while Pdf Elvis keeps saying that the approval to startup the generators came prior to the "event", it was delayed and didnt come by the time it needed to.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 09:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC the 14th was 24 hours long, and the request was sent early on the 14th and the approval very late on the 14th.

It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 09:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 08:14 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 06:25 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  More like once a decade. Texas had rolling blackouts in 1989 and 2011 due to winter storms. In 2011 3.2M people were without power (4.4M in 2021). The postmortem of the 2011 event calls out winterization recommendations that were never implemented.

TX lawmakers passed laws this time to require winterization of both the generators and the natural gas system (it has more time to complete) and ERCOT has changed their operations protocol to pay generators to come online earlier even if it costs more. So it’s taken state regulations to improve reliability of the deregulated energy grid.

And if they still have to wait on a dc bureaucrat to give the ok to start them up, they are still in the same boat. You got to remember that there are DC dinner parties these guys go to, and you cant interrupt that for anything, even if people are in danger and dying.

Texas DOES need to budget for winterization of the wind turbines, because even your pdf report admitted they were the first to go offline and suffered major outages.

Funny how you libturds wanted to blame Michael Brown for Katrina, where the response failure was purely on Louisiana democrats, and not blame DC bureaucrats for the Texas disaster, where a single person in dc was holding up signing off and caused a major catastrophe.

By the way, according to your own pdf, Texas was about 5 minutes away from a complete shutdown of their grid. This is what happens when you cant get power to the grid fast enough because some idiot in DC wants to have one more pina colada before dealing with signing off on some paperwork.

Stop lying. 5:58PM on the 14th. Straight from ERCOT. What sort of mental condition compels you to keep lying when you are already proven wrong?

Texas was about 5 minutes away from a black start because they didn’t regulate their operators to winterize properly and the natural gas supply wasn’t winterized properly for the conditions.

lulz, stop lying? Im using your own pdf and charts to prove you wrong.

I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

And you pretty much havent disagreed with the fact that they requested authorization early in the morning on the 14th and didnt get it until 6pm even by your own admission.

Like I said, bureaucratic red tape kills people.

(08-23-2022 12:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:37 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:13 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

The approval was sent to the people who needed it at 5:58PM. You can see the time stamp on the message from ERCOT.

Stop lying.

And even if it were true, it was too late.

Now you're moving the goal posts. You’ve been harping about the 15th for 30 posts. Now you want to claim same day approval was too late.

ERCOT didn’t start load shedding until 8 hours after the approval was sent to generators. ERCOT was able to access an additional 1400Mw thanks to these measures.

You know how long they had to winterize? Since 2011.

You are grasping at straws and lying in an attempt to blame Biden for an outage caused by the state of Texas’s failure to regulate winterization of the generation and natural gas systems after the 2011 outage.

Wrong.

I said that the approval came too late.

You kept posting a pdf that said the approval came prior to the event.

I tried nicely to point out you were getting hoodwinked by semantics, that even though approval came before the "event" (otherwise known as the failure), approval came too late to prevent the failure.

This is what happens when you simply get hoodwinked and believe what you are told.

Why would you lie about what you posted in this thread? Are you stupid?

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

Dear dipsh*t,

I didnt lie about it. What I said is that EVEN IF WE GO WITH YOUR TIMEFRAME of 6PM, IT WAS TOO LATE.

Pull your head out of your ass.

(08-23-2022 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 01:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 10:43 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Talk about painting with a broad brush. What makes you think he listens to Alex Jones?

Alex Jones started the lie that he continues to repeat.

I have no idea what Alex Jones said. However, your own chart proves what I said. I watched this unfold in real time. I dont need some pdf to tell me after the fact what all people did and didnt do. The authorization from the Biden* administration came too late to stop this. I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 07:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have not really researched in detail, but my contemporaneous understanding was that the DOE approval came before the power outage, but not early enough to allow sufficient lead time to take the actions requested. Those generators don't turn on and come up to speed instantly, particularly when they have been shut down for a while. If anybody can confirm or deny that, I would appreciate it.

Thank you, you are exactly correct.

ERCOT requested the ability to start spinning the fossil generators up early on Sunday, so that the systems could be ready to come to power by the time the hard freeze was to hit, which would prevent them from being delayed on startup further due to the very low temps that were forecasted.

But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

So while Pdf Elvis keeps saying that the approval to startup the generators came prior to the "event", it was delayed and didnt come by the time it needed to.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 09:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC the 14th was 24 hours long, and the request was sent early on the 14th and the approval very late on the 14th.

It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 09:26 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 08:14 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And if they still have to wait on a dc bureaucrat to give the ok to start them up, they are still in the same boat. You got to remember that there are DC dinner parties these guys go to, and you cant interrupt that for anything, even if people are in danger and dying.

Texas DOES need to budget for winterization of the wind turbines, because even your pdf report admitted they were the first to go offline and suffered major outages.

Funny how you libturds wanted to blame Michael Brown for Katrina, where the response failure was purely on Louisiana democrats, and not blame DC bureaucrats for the Texas disaster, where a single person in dc was holding up signing off and caused a major catastrophe.

By the way, according to your own pdf, Texas was about 5 minutes away from a complete shutdown of their grid. This is what happens when you cant get power to the grid fast enough because some idiot in DC wants to have one more pina colada before dealing with signing off on some paperwork.

Stop lying. 5:58PM on the 14th. Straight from ERCOT. What sort of mental condition compels you to keep lying when you are already proven wrong?

Texas was about 5 minutes away from a black start because they didn’t regulate their operators to winterize properly and the natural gas supply wasn’t winterized properly for the conditions.

lulz, stop lying? Im using your own pdf and charts to prove you wrong.

I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

And you pretty much havent disagreed with the fact that they requested authorization early in the morning on the 14th and didnt get it until 6pm even by your own admission.

Like I said, bureaucratic red tape kills people.

(08-23-2022 12:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:37 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And even if it were true, it was too late.

Now you're moving the goal posts. You’ve been harping about the 15th for 30 posts. Now you want to claim same day approval was too late.

ERCOT didn’t start load shedding until 8 hours after the approval was sent to generators. ERCOT was able to access an additional 1400Mw thanks to these measures.

You know how long they had to winterize? Since 2011.

You are grasping at straws and lying in an attempt to blame Biden for an outage caused by the state of Texas’s failure to regulate winterization of the generation and natural gas systems after the 2011 outage.

Wrong.

I said that the approval came too late.

You kept posting a pdf that said the approval came prior to the event.

I tried nicely to point out you were getting hoodwinked by semantics, that even though approval came before the "event" (otherwise known as the failure), approval came too late to prevent the failure.

This is what happens when you simply get hoodwinked and believe what you are told.

Why would you lie about what you posted in this thread? Are you stupid?

(08-22-2022 08:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I even remember something about ERCOT getting the authorization on early am Monday, with the Biden* administration backdating it to Sunday.

(08-22-2022 07:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  But the Biden* administration held off sending approval until early Monday morning, when it was too late to stop the failure. The failure is the "event" in Ercots pdf. While the Biden* administration may have beat the failure by an hour or less, the authorization was about a half day too late to make a difference.

(08-22-2022 09:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It was actually received on the 15th, but dated the 14th. There was some brewhaha about that.

(08-23-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I dont care what some report from ERCOT says, I saw this unfold in real time. The authorization got into the hands of the people who needed it on the 15th, but the authorization was dated the 14th.

Dear dipsh*t,

I didnt lie about it. What I said is that EVEN IF WE GO WITH YOUR TIMEFRAME of 6PM, IT WAS TOO LATE.

Pull your head out of your ass.

aw, sounds like Pdf Elvis is starting to realize what I said and what he posted.

lulz

Maybe next time understand what you are posting and what I said prior to saying something stupid.

(08-21-2022 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

Just a reminder that you yourself posted this. You"read" some words, without understanding the meaning of the words and how this chart blows up what you were thinking. Stare at it long and hard and you may get it.

Or, just keep your head up your ass and you wont.

(08-23-2022 02:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

Just a reminder that you yourself posted this. You"read" some words, without understanding the meaning of the words and how this chart blows up what you were thinking. Stare at it long and hard and you may get it.

Or, just keep your head up your ass and you wont.

Here you go again with "I can't explain why but that chart supports my position that it is all bidens fault".

You are a dishonest troll who can't admit when they are wrong.

(08-23-2022 02:55 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

Just a reminder that you yourself posted this. You"read" some words, without understanding the meaning of the words and how this chart blows up what you were thinking. Stare at it long and hard and you may get it.

Or, just keep your head up your ass and you wont.

Here you go again with "I can't explain why but that chart supports my position that it is all bidens fault".

You are a dishonest troll who can't admit when they are wrong.

You posted that chart, fluff boy. YOU should be able to tell us what that chart is saying. But you know if you do that you've just proved my point.

(08-23-2022 03:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:55 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-23-2022 02:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-21-2022 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

Just a reminder that you yourself posted this. You"read" some words, without understanding the meaning of the words and how this chart blows up what you were thinking. Stare at it long and hard and you may get it.

Or, just keep your head up your ass and you wont.

Here you go again with "I can't explain why but that chart supports my position that it is all bidens fault".

You are a dishonest troll who can't admit when they are wrong.

You posted that chart, fluff boy. YOU should be able to tell us what that chart is saying. But you know if you do that you've just proved my point.

How am I supposed to know what batshite stupid meaning you have assigned to that chart in your addled brain? If you can’t explain what lie you want to tell about it I can’t figure it out for you.

You keep saying I proved your point, but you can’t even tell us what your point is without contradicting one of your other lies.

Mods...End this pissing contest pronto.