(07-12-2022 10:51 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:59 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:44 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://utah.rivals.com/news/sources-rem...g-together

I can't imagine that the USC/UCLA athletic departments can sustain being in a completely Midwestern/Eastern conference for the long haul. There must have been some expectation that other PAC schools would be joining in short order?

Or maybe chartered jets are chartered jets, and it doesn't matter that much whether you spend two and a half hours flying to Denver or 4 hours flying to detroit.

Midweek games it does matter. Although it would really just be basketball and volleyball that would be significantly effected. Other sports don't do a league schedule or mostly play on weekends.

(07-12-2022 10:49 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 10:23 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m afraid with USC n UCLA no longer in the picture the previous not so impressive tv ratings will dive even more… Tv time slots has never been PAC best friend unfortunately.

Gonna be interesting what type tv revenue the PAC is able to fetch in the open market. I really hope is close to it’s present one but not looking good.

PAC needs to commit to more 330pm games like in the 80s/90s instead of 1030pm EST.

if I'm Kliavkoff, getting my top foitball game in an afternoon or prime time Eastern timeslot is a huge priority.

Except if you're a TV network, you'd much rather put on an SEC or a big 10 game in that time slot. so we'll see how much money CBS is looking to pay to make their Big 10 game a doubleheader.

(07-12-2022 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 10:51 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:59 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:44 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://utah.rivals.com/news/sources-rem...g-together

I can't imagine that the USC/UCLA athletic departments can sustain being in a completely Midwestern/Eastern conference for the long haul. There must have been some expectation that other PAC schools would be joining in short order?

Or maybe chartered jets are chartered jets, and it doesn't matter that much whether you spend two and a half hours flying to Denver or 4 hours flying to detroit.

Midweek games it does matter. Although it would really just be basketball and volleyball that would be significantly effected. Other sports don't do a league schedule or mostly play on weekends.

Midweek is a very good point. But I really think given amount of money involved, it's easier to construct an awkward weekends only schedule for USC. UCLA in those Sports than it is to come up with another 200 million plus a year to bring in West Coast Schools that are still a 2-hour plane ride away from LA.

Or just look into how much it would cost to buy yourself an affiliate membership in the big West or West Coast Conference for volleyball.

(07-12-2022 10:51 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:59 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:44 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://utah.rivals.com/news/sources-rem...g-together

I can't imagine that the USC/UCLA athletic departments can sustain being in a completely Midwestern/Eastern conference for the long haul. There must have been some expectation that other PAC schools would be joining in short order?

Or maybe chartered jets are chartered jets, and it doesn't matter that much whether you spend two and a half hours flying to Denver or 4 hours flying to detroit.

Yeah - another point is that people from the East tend to not comprehend the distances between the major West Coast cities very well. The only realistic road trips for USC and UCLA in the Pac-12 (meaning those that could conceivably be a reasonable bus ride if necessary) were Cal/Stanford and Arizona/Arizona State.

The distance from LA to Seattle is longer than the distance from either Rutgers or Maryland to Iowa City! Now, the time zone differences definitely matter, but the point is that the only "travel partners" for USC/UCLA would conceivably be the Bay Area schools or Arizona schools. Oregon and Washington don't alleviate much for USC/UCLA in terms of regional travel.

The headline doesn't indicate the true tone of this article. Here is the end:

"...Even with this news, a bigger move is likely still in the works. This buys teams like Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Utah time to bet on themselves and make their brand more attractive as the consolidation of conferences is still in its relative infancy. For teams like Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah, the Big 12 will remain an option. Still, the belief is Utah would rather stay attached to the schools in the northwest and it’s increasingly looking like the feelings are mutual.

Additionally, keep in mind that a bigger power play move could already be in the cards and just not announced in the very near future, as the super conference era is about to be upon us. This would make sense, as the USC and UCLA move was radio silent.

This expected decision can be viewed as a blow for the Big 12 since they had an opportunity to end the Pac-12. The Pac-12 had a similar opportunity to end the Big-12 a year before. Ultimately, Kliavkoff has earned the trust and commitment of the remaining members. However, the reality is that it’s likely a short-lived solution as the Big 10, SEC, and ACC look to add to their conference firepower out west."

One thought. With the Big 10 and SEC at 16, do we get two 18 team conferences?

8 Big 12 schools move to Pac 10. ACC 14 move to join 4 remaining Big 12 schools where the TV contract is expiring. With Cincinnati, WVU and UCF coupled with ACC schools, their geography is better. Iowa St. or Houston could be the other school that moves east.

(07-12-2022 09:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The next question will be whether the PAC schools (and network) find any expansion target that can help increase television revenues while maintaining the academic standards of the league. I don't think the revenue differences between the PAC and Big 12 will end up being all that different, so geography (and travel expenses) will play a factor.

Would like to see San Diego State be considered, but also recognize (to PAC Presidents) that they may not *look* like a PAC school. I also wonder if giving Hawaii a football-only membership could help in revenues, only because it gives majority of the conference an additional Week 0 game opportunity. They could be balanced with a Gonzaga (non-football) membership, which would add another elite men's basketball program to counter the loss of UCLA's basketball prestige.

Kansas seems like a no-brainer. I know BYU is a non-starter but they'd help on the TV deal. After that I'd guess TCU, Houston or SDSU are the best options.

(07-12-2022 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  If they stay together, they probably need to add San Diego St. to increase their southern California exposure. Not sure who their #12 would be. UNLV, Colorado St. and New Mexico are all historically bad football programs. They could probably get BYU but wouldn't want to. Don't see any existing Big 12 schools jumping onto a ship that has just been hit by an iceberg.

Doubt they’ll add anyone. Can’t afford to dilute the TV deal.

But if they did add San Diego State and wanted a #12 the simplest solution may be Hawaii for football only. We tick all of the academic and institutional boxes, have a new $400 million stadium coming, offer the Week Zero exemption and another time zone (suitable for broadcast to Asia and Australia), and would be less expensive than a full member.

Okay, pitch over.

(07-12-2022 11:44 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:55 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The next question will be whether the PAC schools (and network) find any expansion target that can help increase television revenues while maintaining the academic standards of the league. I don't think the revenue differences between the PAC and Big 12 will end up being all that different, so geography (and travel expenses) will play a factor.

Would like to see San Diego State be considered, but also recognize (to PAC Presidents) that they may not *look* like a PAC school. I also wonder if giving Hawaii a football-only membership could help in revenues, only because it gives majority of the conference an additional Week 0 game opportunity. They could be balanced with a Gonzaga (non-football) membership, which would add another elite men's basketball program to counter the loss of UCLA's basketball prestige.

Kansas seems like a no-brainer. I know BYU is a non-starter but they'd help on the TV deal. After that I'd guess TCU, Houston or SDSU are the best options.

None of those are coming. They arent going to spend 80 million to get the same or worse TV deal that comes with even higher travel costs. Honestly, there isnt much reason for Pac12 teams to move the other way---other than long term security that comes at no cost because there is no Pac12 exit fee. Financially---its much easier to make that move from the Pac12 to the Big12 than it is to go the other way. Thats why I still say the best option is to do a full merger. That secures a P5 future for every current member of both conferences and actually might make the Pac12 Network a viable presence going forward.

^^^ This headline is the kiss of death. ^^^

People won’t like this but I think the current pecking order is SEC/BIG >> ACC > B12/Pac.

If the SEC/BIG are not moving, and I think they stop at 16 for now, it’ll be an ACC’s turn to act. Even the article mentioned the possibility.

“However, the reality is that it’s likely a short-lived solution as the Big 10, SEC, and ACC look to add to their conference firepower out west.”

Right now...it looks like Arizona is the most likely to bolt from the PAC 10, and the other three 4 corners schools may remain in the PAC.

The Big 12 has voted to seek expansion and say if Arizona goes, the Big 12 will offer invitations to Memphis, Colorado State and South Florida.

While the PAC will go after San Diego State, Boise State and Hawaii/Gonzaga to remain at 12.

The Mountain West adds UTEP, New Mexico State, SMU and Tulsa.

AAC adds Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, FIU and Louisiana Tech.

(07-12-2022 12:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Right now...it looks like Arizona is the most likely bolt from the PAC 10, and the other three 4 corners schools may remain in the PAC.

The Big 12 has voted to seek expansion and say if Arizona goes, the Big 12 will offer invitations to Memphis, Colorado State and South Florida.

While the PAC will go after San Diego State, Boise State and Hawaii/Gonzaga to remain at 12.

The Mountain West adds UTEP, New Mexico State, SMU and Tulsa.

AAC adds Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, FIU and Louisiana Tech.

Source for any of this?

(07-12-2022 11:58 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  ^^^ This headline is the kiss of death. ^^^

LOL, yeah pretty much.

Depending on what the final numbers are for the new Pac-12 media rights deal currently being negotiated, I think the likelihood is very high that the Arizona schools and CU will join the Big 12.

Utah is reportedly still on the fence, but if the Utes opt to remain in the Pac-12, the Big 12 could replace them with SMU, or just stop at 15 for the time being.

IMHO, this could happen even without Notre Dame committing to the Big Ten near term, although I believe the Fighting Irish will join the Big Ten sooner rather than later.

(07-12-2022 12:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 12:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Right now...it looks like Arizona is the most likely bolt from the PAC 10, and the other three 4 corners schools may remain in the PAC.

The Big 12 has voted to seek expansion and say if Arizona goes, the Big 12 will offer invitations to Memphis, Colorado State and South Florida.

While the PAC will go after San Diego State, Boise State and Hawaii/Gonzaga to remain at 12.

The Mountain West adds UTEP, New Mexico State, SMU and Tulsa.

AAC adds Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, FIU and Louisiana Tech.

Source for any of this?

Beat reporter that covers University of Arizona. The rest just makes sense if Arizona bolts.

(07-12-2022 10:49 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 10:23 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m afraid with USC n UCLA no longer in the picture the previous not so impressive tv ratings will dive even more… Tv time slots has never been PAC best friend unfortunately.

Gonna be interesting what type tv revenue the PAC is able to fetch in the open market. I really hope is close to it’s present one but not looking good.

PAC needs to commit to more 330pm games like in the 80s/90s instead of 1030pm EST.

I'm sure they want to, but the networks have B1G and SEC options at that time. So Oregon vs Utah(about as good as it gets in the PAC) or Alabama vs Texas A&M and Michigan vs Michigan St. etc...

(07-12-2022 11:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  The headline doesn't indicate the true tone of this article. Here is the end:

"...Even with this news, a bigger move is likely still in the works. This buys teams like Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Utah time to bet on themselves and make their brand more attractive as the consolidation of conferences is still in its relative infancy. For teams like Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah, the Big 12 will remain an option. Still, the belief is Utah would rather stay attached to the schools in the northwest and it’s increasingly looking like the feelings are mutual.

Additionally, keep in mind that a bigger power play move could already be in the cards and just not announced in the very near future, as the super conference era is about to be upon us. This would make sense, as the USC and UCLA move was radio silent.

This expected decision can be viewed as a blow for the Big 12 since they had an opportunity to end the Pac-12. The Pac-12 had a similar opportunity to end the Big-12 a year before. Ultimately, Kliavkoff has earned the trust and commitment of the remaining members. However, the reality is that it’s likely a short-lived solution as the Big 10, SEC, and ACC look to add to their conference firepower out west."

^This^

The BigXII tried to place a wedge between UO/UW/Cal/Furd and 4C4 schools. It didn’t work. The NW4 and 4C4 schools remain aligned to each other. And committed to the conference for the short term (reads a lot like 2024 as the duration of the commitment).

Also note that ACC is “looking to add firepower” and that WSU/OSU are conspicuously not mentioned. The plan sure looks like waiting to collect the exit fees then dissolve the conference and move en bloc to the highest bidder.

(07-12-2022 11:44 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  If they stay together, they probably need to add San Diego St. to increase their southern California exposure. Not sure who their #12 would be. UNLV, Colorado St. and New Mexico are all historically bad football programs. They could probably get BYU but wouldn't want to. Don't see any existing Big 12 schools jumping onto a ship that has just been hit by an iceberg.

Doubt they’ll add anyone. Can’t afford to dilute the TV deal.

But if they did add San Diego State and wanted a #12 the simplest solution may be Hawaii for football only. We tick all of the academic and institutional boxes, have a new $400 million stadium coming, offer the Week Zero exemption and another time zone (suitable for broadcast to Asia and Australia), and would be less expensive than a full member.

Okay, pitch over.

Might as well take you for all sports. If PAC has a hard time considering SDSU +1 then I'm sure looking bush league w/ a fb only member makes it look far worse.

(07-12-2022 12:13 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Right now...it looks like Arizona is the most likely to bolt from the PAC 10, and the other three 4 corners schools may remain in the PAC.

The Big 12 has voted to seek expansion and say if Arizona goes, the Big 12 will offer invitations to Memphis, Colorado State and South Florida.

While the PAC will go after San Diego State, Boise State and Hawaii/Gonzaga to remain at 12.

The Mountain West adds UTEP, New Mexico State, SMU and Tulsa.

AAC adds Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, FIU and Louisiana Tech.

Why would SMU leave for an MWC that has lost San Diego State and Boise State and is also adding two C-USA schools? I think it more likely that SMU is helping the AAC to recruit Air Force and Colorado State.