(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:03 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:44 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:19 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  A BigPac merger is bad for any future hopes of adding Memphis to the Sun Belt. If they (BP) do that they’ll be full-up and will have no need to back fill, leaving Memphis and SMU in the AAC. If the Pac shows some stones and doesn’t lose anyone to the XII, then Memphis and SMU could be on the XII’s radar.

If the ACC loses a few then both Memphis and ECU *could* be in play but who knows if ACC presidents and chancellors even think those two girls are pretty enough to buy them a drink. The ACC could choose to double down on basketball and markets and think more about UConn and Temple. They’d be digging their own grave as a football conference but in these situations executives often make bad decisions. Or they could go nuts and invite Navy to gain control over the Army-Navy game media rights.

I also think the only way you get ECU is if you can also get Memphis too. I’m not sure how closely those two schools are tied to one another (any ECU fans reading can answer), but getting them both as a packaged deal would go a long way to assuaging both fan bases’ fears that they aren’t “stepping down”.

Prior to the BCS and CUSA we played independent schedules that consisted of a lot of USM, Memphis, Cincy, Syracuse, WVU, Temple, etc... the other Eastern independents. The old Liberty Bowl alliance demanded ECU's inclusion b/c we brought pretty big crowds.

ECU's most played opponents

Southern Miss - 39
App State - 32
NCSU - 31
Cincy - 25
Memphis - 24
WVU - 22
VTech - 21
SC - 20
UCF - 20
Temple - 19
UNC - 18

Pet peeve... if you're ever tempted to talk smack about ECU's bowl appearances and conference championships this is something you've got to fully understand. We didn't take the easier path. Sometimes I wish we had.

Meh...the only smack you should get in here is "64-61!" 0 : ) Go Herd, but we'd still be glad to have you guys back, if only because you guys are the biggest part of our history

brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

(07-07-2022 10:49 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:03 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:44 AM)b2b Wrote:  Prior to the BCS and CUSA we played independent schedules that consisted of a lot of USM, Memphis, Cincy, Syracuse, WVU, Temple, etc... the other Eastern independents. The old Liberty Bowl alliance demanded ECU's inclusion b/c we brought pretty big crowds.

ECU's most played opponents

Southern Miss - 39
App State - 32
NCSU - 31
Cincy - 25
Memphis - 24
WVU - 22
VTech - 21
SC - 20
UCF - 20
Temple - 19
UNC - 18

Pet peeve... if you're ever tempted to talk smack about ECU's bowl appearances and conference championships this is something you've got to fully understand. We didn't take the easier path. Sometimes I wish we had.

Meh...the only smack you should get in here is "64-61!" 0 : ) Go Herd, but we'd still be glad to have you guys back, if only because you guys are the biggest part of our history

brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

That was Miami (OH)

(07-07-2022 09:05 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 07:32 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I thought ECU to the SBC was a longshot. Must be the offseason if fans are considering Memphis a viable option.

In reality the SBC's options (if needed) would be WKU, MTSU, LA Tech and likely in that order.

We were all saying Marshall was a long shot just 2 years ago too.

Yeah and things can really change quickly but I don't think anybody is saying additions of ECU/Memphis will be announced in the next year or anything. I guess that's not impossible if SMU gets taken and ESPN torpedoes their deal immediately while ECU/Memphis end up with no "P5/P4/whatever" hope.

I think overall though it's more just something that could become possible if all the cards fall just right over the next 5 years or so. It's the dream scenario, and the ECU half of it looks much more likely than Memphis. I'd very happily go to 16 for ECU/UAB or ECU/Missouri State too.

(07-07-2022 09:45 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:27 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:09 AM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 08:43 AM)slycat Wrote:  Bottom line is the SBC was very smart in regionalizing itself with teams like App and Marshall that command high tv ratings for G5 teams. Sure TXST is on an island but oh freaking well. We seem happy to be only and no other schools seem interested in kicking us out.

The AAC put a lot of Texas eggs in one basket. If their new league underperforms, or the Sun Belt surpasses them, Texas State could be the defacto G5 of interest as the lone representative of the Lone Star State battling a bunch of non-Texan hooligans

Maybe. Being with UTSA would be a plus and the ease of getting to games at Rice is nice too. Otherwise, AAC isn't for me. Take away SMU and Memphis and it is even worse. I could see our admin being happy to regionalize itself and a few fans but in reality we've never had a relationship with UNT or Rice. UTSA is it. My greater fear would be if somehow our admin thought it would be worth hanging out with SHSU or whatever other FCS Texas moveups exist. As long as the SBC has a much superior TV deal, that won't happen thankfully.

What if the MWC offered Tx St, UTEP, UTSA and UNT? I think UTEP and Tx St jump at that. The AAC teams would be tough to sell as they just got to the AAC and would have to presumably pay exit fees.

Also, I thought the AAC newbies were getting $2million per school. The ECU poster says $3.5 million. If so, that's actually not bad and quite a bit more than the SB. I was under the impression the SB teams (rumored to be $1.5 -2m) and the new AAC teams were closer in payouts.

I could see them going for something like that. I wouldn't hate it but having been with west coast teams in the WAC, it does suck playing late night games on the west coast. I really think it comes down to tv dollars, the teams involved, and maybe travel cost. I think the fear could be that the AAC is currently perceived as better. Fair or not. If a worst case breakaway came to be and it left behind TT, TCU, Baylor and UH. There would be a scramble to join them. SMU would be at an advantage which would hurt UNT since they would have two DFW schools. Then Rice could join for UH (though they won't care) and UTSA for the "SA market". I could see TXST being left out once again. The point being that TXST may move to a conference with the AAC Texas teams to be seen on their level for leverage in possible future moves.

(07-07-2022 10:49 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:03 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 09:44 AM)b2b Wrote:  Prior to the BCS and CUSA we played independent schedules that consisted of a lot of USM, Memphis, Cincy, Syracuse, WVU, Temple, etc... the other Eastern independents. The old Liberty Bowl alliance demanded ECU's inclusion b/c we brought pretty big crowds.

ECU's most played opponents

Southern Miss - 39
App State - 32
NCSU - 31
Cincy - 25
Memphis - 24
WVU - 22
VTech - 21
SC - 20
UCF - 20
Temple - 19
UNC - 18

Pet peeve... if you're ever tempted to talk smack about ECU's bowl appearances and conference championships this is something you've got to fully understand. We didn't take the easier path. Sometimes I wish we had.

Meh...the only smack you should get in here is "64-61!" 0 : ) Go Herd, but we'd still be glad to have you guys back, if only because you guys are the biggest part of our history

brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

59-28 was the massive choke job we had at Marshall in 2013. That was one of the best teams we've ever had. The whole team looked hung over that game.

(07-07-2022 11:14 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:49 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:03 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  Meh...the only smack you should get in here is "64-61!" 0 : ) Go Herd, but we'd still be glad to have you guys back, if only because you guys are the biggest part of our history

brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

59-28 was the massive choke job we had at Marshall in 2013. That was one of the best teams we've ever had. The whole team looked hung over that game.

Eh, I'm not sure it was as much of a choke job as we just played like men possessed with their hair on fire. I mean, you scored 28 points. It happens sometimes. I have and will always have tremendous respect and admiration for the Pirates (even through a little good-natured ribbing). Your fans are top-shelf and first class. I truly hope we end up in the Sun Belt together.

There is a greater chance we add Tarleton State than Memphis. I don't ever see Memphis breaking away from UAB, Charlotte, Rice, Tulane, etc. if the Big XII or ACC doesn't come calling. Memphis is a market school through and through and wouldn't fit in with Sun Belt schools. If the AAC holds steady they may eventually expand to 16 to try and grab the Atlanta market via GaSt and the Norfolk-VB market via ODU.

An airport league with stops in Philadelphia, Norfolk-VB, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Tampa, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Tulsa fits Memphis perfectly even with some of the better teams having moved on.

However it is unlikely ODU or GaSt jump unless the AAC turns out to still be a killer conference and the money stays significantly higher. It is unlikely ECU jumps unless AAC just bottoms out.

EDIT: I don't believe we would ever add Tarleton State but I'm saying Memphis is a pipe dream.

You guys are way more enthusiastic and positive than the last conference’s message board, and that’s what I appreciates about you. BUT there’s no chance Memphis comes to the Sun Belt. If the Big 12/Pac 12 merge, then Memphis stays in the AAC and waits for the ACC or finds another way to elevate its men’s basketball program — it has national ambitions and as much as we love the Sun Belt, it is a long far way from national in that sport. If the AAC implodes, Memphis will be one of the causes, not one of the left-behinds. I think they’d go independent in football and put everything else in a basketball-forward conference (A10 or MVC) than move to another G conference.

While I’m here, I kind of want to push back against the idea that ECU wouldn’t be a good conference mate because they wouldn’t be “loyal” or as willing to collaborate or whatever. In the end, we’re all of us trying to be the best versions of ourselves (our schools and our literal selves) as possible. Whatever ends we have, the means are identical. We want to boost the conference? We get better and stay better. We want to get into a higher-end conference? We get better and stay better. ECU can cast their vinegary BBQ filled eyes toward the ACC all they want but so long as they’re kicking ass in football and baseball (and getting better in basketball), they’re going to be a good conference member, whether it’s for 100 years or 1.

(07-07-2022 11:42 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  There is a greater chance we add Tarleton State than Memphis. I don't ever see Memphis breaking away from UAB, Charlotte, Rice, Tulane, etc. if the Big XII or ACC doesn't come calling. Memphis is a market school through and through and wouldn't fit in with Sun Belt schools. If the AAC holds steady they may eventually expand to 16 to try and grab the Atlanta market via GaSt and the Norfolk-VB market via ODU.

An airport league with stops in Philadelphia, Norfolk-VB, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Tampa, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Tulsa would fit them perfectly even with some of the better teams having moved on.

However it is unlikely ODU or GaSt jump unless the AAC turns out to still be a killer conference and the money stays significantly higher. It is unlikely ECU jumps unless AAC just bottoms out.

EDIT: I don't believe we would ever add Tarleton State but I'm saying Memphis is a pipe dream.

It’s fair to speculate on whether ODU turned down the AAC, the AAC turned down ODU or those ships passed in the night without contact. What I *will* say is that if ODU thought the AAC was a reasonable short or mid-term goal, they wouldn’t have paid extra to get out of CUSA early to join the SBC, just to turn around and pay exit/entrance fees to hop to the AAC. They’d stay in CUSA and wait for the next available customer service representative to take their call. Barring one of those massive AAC/SBC/CUSA regional reshuffles that make the realignment board posters horny in the absence of actual news, I don’t see ODU going to the AAC any time soon.

(07-07-2022 12:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:42 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  There is a greater chance we add Tarleton State than Memphis. I don't ever see Memphis breaking away from UAB, Charlotte, Rice, Tulane, etc. if the Big XII or ACC doesn't come calling. Memphis is a market school through and through and wouldn't fit in with Sun Belt schools. If the AAC holds steady they may eventually expand to 16 to try and grab the Atlanta market via GaSt and the Norfolk-VB market via ODU.

An airport league with stops in Philadelphia, Norfolk-VB, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Tampa, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Tulsa would fit them perfectly even with some of the better teams having moved on.

However it is unlikely ODU or GaSt jump unless the AAC turns out to still be a killer conference and the money stays significantly higher. It is unlikely ECU jumps unless AAC just bottoms out.

EDIT: I don't believe we would ever add Tarleton State but I'm saying Memphis is a pipe dream.

It’s fair to speculate on whether ODU turned down the AAC, the AAC turned down ODU or those ships passed in the night without contact. What I *will* say is that if ODU thought the AAC was a reasonable short or mid-term goal, they wouldn’t have paid extra to get out of CUSA early to join the SBC, just to turn around and pay exit/entrance fees to hop to the AAC. They’d stay in CUSA and wait for the next available customer service representative to take their call. Barring one of those massive AAC/SBC/CUSA regional reshuffles that make the realignment board posters horny in the absence of actual news, I don’t see ODU going to the AAC any time soon.

When I said fit them perfectly I actually meant Memphis. I should have made that more clear. That's also why I said it seems unlikely ODU or GAST would jump.

If there's no Wichita State in the AAC in the near future then IMO there's no meaningful difference between the new AAC and the SBC basketball wise. I'm not sure how realistic Memphis really is, but they aren't less realistic than ECU.

(07-07-2022 12:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If there's no Wichita State in the AAC in the near future then IMO there's no meaningful difference between the new AAC and the SBC basketball wise. I'm not sure how realistic Memphis really is, but they aren't less realistic than ECU.

The current Wichita State is very average. They've taken a step back since joining the AAC.

The 2023 AAC and SBC are probably both 1 bid leagues. However, the AAC could potentially have a higher seeded 1 bid with some years every now and then squeezing two bids. That's the difference.

The New AAC should have Memphis consistently contending for at-large bids and SMU, Wichita State, UAB and possibly North Texas filtering in and out of the picture. That’s far from where they were a few years ago but still well ahead of where the SBC is, because let’s face it, unless someone hots up really hot, we’re way removed from at-large contention.

(07-07-2022 10:53 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:49 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:03 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  Meh...the only smack you should get in here is "64-61!" 0 : ) Go Herd, but we'd still be glad to have you guys back, if only because you guys are the biggest part of our history

brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

That was Miami (OH)

yeah but they live n die by that like WVU won't let the Clemson 70-7 game die

(07-07-2022 12:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:42 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  There is a greater chance we add Tarleton State than Memphis. I don't ever see Memphis breaking away from UAB, Charlotte, Rice, Tulane, etc. if the Big XII or ACC doesn't come calling. Memphis is a market school through and through and wouldn't fit in with Sun Belt schools. If the AAC holds steady they may eventually expand to 16 to try and grab the Atlanta market via GaSt and the Norfolk-VB market via ODU.

An airport league with stops in Philadelphia, Norfolk-VB, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Tampa, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Tulsa would fit them perfectly even with some of the better teams having moved on.

However it is unlikely ODU or GaSt jump unless the AAC turns out to still be a killer conference and the money stays significantly higher. It is unlikely ECU jumps unless AAC just bottoms out.

EDIT: I don't believe we would ever add Tarleton State but I'm saying Memphis is a pipe dream.

It’s fair to speculate on whether ODU turned down the AAC, the AAC turned down ODU or those ships passed in the night without contact. What I *will* say is that if ODU thought the AAC was a reasonable short or mid-term goal, they wouldn’t have paid extra to get out of CUSA early to join the SBC, just to turn around and pay exit/entrance fees to hop to the AAC. They’d stay in CUSA and wait for the next available customer service representative to take their call. Barring one of those massive AAC/SBC/CUSA regional reshuffles that make the realignment board posters horny in the absence of actual news, I don’t see ODU going to the AAC any time soon.

REPRESENTATIVE! (sorry I got caught up in the analogy)

(07-07-2022 11:20 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:14 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:49 AM)Herdfan1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:38 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:09 AM)b2b Wrote:   brutal

Well, then there's...... 59-28

Just messin' with ya. I'd LOVE to have ECU in the SBC!!!!!!

Hmm, don't remember that one the one that sticks in our crawl is 66-6

59-28 was the massive choke job we had at Marshall in 2013. That was one of the best teams we've ever had. The whole team looked hung over that game.

Eh, I'm not sure it was as much of a choke job as we just played like men possessed with their hair on fire. I mean, you scored 28 points. It happens sometimes. I have and will always have tremendous respect and admiration for the Pirates (even through a little good-natured ribbing). Your fans are top-shelf and first class. I truly hope we end up in the Sun Belt together.

Face it, all Marshall Fans of the last half century love and respect the pirates...you guys are a big part of our history, and rather than letting it pass by, you've done things like putting up the plaque outside the locker room, doing interviews for Morehouse's documentary...

(07-07-2022 11:42 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  There is a greater chance we add Tarleton State than Memphis. I don't ever see Memphis breaking away from UAB, Charlotte, Rice, Tulane, etc. if the Big XII or ACC doesn't come calling. Memphis is a market school through and through and wouldn't fit in with Sun Belt schools. If the AAC holds steady they may eventually expand to 16 to try and grab the Atlanta market via GaSt and the Norfolk-VB market via ODU.

An airport league with stops in Philadelphia, Norfolk-VB, Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham, Tampa, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Tulsa fits Memphis perfectly even with some of the better teams having moved on.

However it is unlikely ODU or GaSt jump unless the AAC turns out to still be a killer conference and the money stays significantly higher. It is unlikely ECU jumps unless AAC just bottoms out.

EDIT: I don't believe we would ever add Tarleton State but I'm saying Memphis is a pipe dream.

Memphis has broken away from those schools multiple times now. They aren't as hitched as you might think.

(07-07-2022 01:07 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If there's no Wichita State in the AAC in the near future then IMO there's no meaningful difference between the new AAC and the SBC basketball wise. I'm not sure how realistic Memphis really is, but they aren't less realistic than ECU.

The current Wichita State is very average. They've taken a step back since joining the AAC.

The 2023 AAC and SBC are probably both 1 bid leagues. However, the AAC could potentially have a higher seeded 1 bid with some years every now and then squeezing two bids. That's the difference.

Last year was a debacle but we were conference champs in 21 and pissed it down our leg in the NCAA tournament in 20.

I would love to see ECU and Mo State in the SBC. Swap out ULM for La Tech for the added flavor and hate and the SBC would be tremendous.

(07-07-2022 06:22 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 01:07 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If there's no Wichita State in the AAC in the near future then IMO there's no meaningful difference between the new AAC and the SBC basketball wise. I'm not sure how realistic Memphis really is, but they aren't less realistic than ECU.

The current Wichita State is very average. They've taken a step back since joining the AAC.

The 2023 AAC and SBC are probably both 1 bid leagues. However, the AAC could potentially have a higher seeded 1 bid with some years every now and then squeezing two bids. That's the difference.

Last year was a debacle but we were conference champs in 21 and pissed it down our leg in the NCAA tournament in 20.

I would love to see ECU and Mo State in the SBC. Swap out ULM for La Tech for the added flavor and hate and the SBC would be tremendous.

(07-07-2022 08:16 PM)Soaring Eagle Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 06:22 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 01:07 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If there's no Wichita State in the AAC in the near future then IMO there's no meaningful difference between the new AAC and the SBC basketball wise. I'm not sure how realistic Memphis really is, but they aren't less realistic than ECU.

The current Wichita State is very average. They've taken a step back since joining the AAC.

The 2023 AAC and SBC are probably both 1 bid leagues. However, the AAC could potentially have a higher seeded 1 bid with some years every now and then squeezing two bids. That's the difference.

Last year was a debacle but we were conference champs in 21 and pissed it down our leg in the NCAA tournament in 20.

I would love to see ECU and Mo State in the SBC. Swap out ULM for La Tech for the added flavor and hate and the SBC would be tremendous.

100% Agree. NO.