Washington: 68,238
Iowa State: 59,794
BYU: 59,547
West Virginia: 55,907
Oklahoma State: 54,817
Oregon: 53,591
Texas Tech: 53,418
Colorado: 49,573
Arizona State: 49,166
Kansas State: 48,818
Utah: 46,462
Baylor: 45,517
UCF: 43,788
TCU: 42,881
California: 42,433
Arizona: 39,532
Stanford: 37,018
Cincinnati: 35,985
Kansas: 33,875
Oregon State: 32,424
Washington State: 28,542
Houston: 25,518

Data are for 2019 and include Southern Cal, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma games.

Big oof on UH's part. Hopefully we will at least have that number in the 30k range this year.

(07-05-2022 10:53 PM)Oklahoma Guy Wrote:  Washington: 68,238
Iowa State: 59,794
BYU: 59,547
West Virginia: 55,907
Oklahoma State: 54,817
Oregon: 53,591
Texas Tech: 53,418
Colorado: 49,573
Arizona State: 49,166
Kansas State: 48,818
Utah: 46,462
Baylor: 45,517
UCF: 43,788
TCU: 42,881
California: 42,433
Arizona: 39,532
Stanford: 37,018
Cincinnati: 35,985
Kansas: 33,875
Oregon State: 32,424
Washington State: 28,542
Houston: 25,518

Data are for 2019 and include Southern Cal, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma games.

Had to dig a little for 2021 numbers but from what I gather:

Washington: 62,046
BYU: 61,647
Iowa State: 60,704
Oklahoma State: 52,970
Texas Tech: 52,404
Utah: 51,817
West Virginia: 51,620
Oregon: 49,468
Arizona State: 47,248
Colorado:46,848
Kansas State: 46,786
Baylor: 44,729
UCF: 40,427
TCU: 39,529
Cal: 38,050
Cincinnati: 37,338
Stanford: 35,973
Arizona:34,900
Oregon State: 30,524
UH: 28,140
Kansas: 26,413
Washington State: 23,217

(07-05-2022 11:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Big oof on UH's part. Hopefully we will at least have that number in the 30k range this year.

Honest question - Do you think there will be a surge in attendance this year with the excitement of UH moving to the Big 12? Or do you think attendance won't go higher until 2023 when UH is fully in the league?

So proud. I swear half the time we show up just for the tailgate. Historically Cyclones are gluttons for punishment. Jack Trice is our Wrigley Field.

Cincinnati's ranking is impressive considering Nippert's capacity.

(07-05-2022 11:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Big oof on UH's part. Hopefully we will at least have that number in the 30k range this year.

How much do you expect this to improve to in the Big 12?

First of all the games will be better and then when TT, Baylor, TCU and to a lesser extent OSU those should be bigger regional rivalry draws.

(07-06-2022 12:08 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Big oof on UH's part. Hopefully we will at least have that number in the 30k range this year.

How much do you expect this to improve to in the Big 12?

First of all the games will be better and then when TT, Baylor, TCU and to a lesser extent OSU those should be bigger regional rivalry draws.

that should be the case, but uH has a long history of trying to do stupid things to try and limit opposing fans from filling "their stajium" when they host them

I am sure the Big 12 can place a rule to limit that, but I am not sure they have one or would have one......well I believe there is a rule that requires something like 3,000 regular seats for opposing fans for each game to be available through the road team's ticket office......it might even have some "sight line" or location in the stands requirements as well

but that is a very limited number of seats relative to what Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and OkState could want even through the home team ticket office

(07-06-2022 09:23 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  So proud. I swear half the time we show up just for the tailgate. Historically Cyclones are gluttons for punishment. Jack Trice is our Wrigley Field.

Cincinnati's ranking is impressive considering Nippert's capacity.

Yeah, that was effectively a sell out for the season.

Big 12 does require a few thousand be available for each away team. Several years back, UT switched their visiting section to all bad including the visiting band, so the other schools did the same for Ut. I do not know if there will be a switch back to having some decent seats (ie. low corners or something. at least that is where TCU had theirs before the change) or if it will stay just bad seats. Problem being now with season ticket holders moving in to those seats. Will be fun to see UT have to bump all their season ticket holders as I think the SEC still requires a certain number of premium visitor seats, but have not researched it recently)

Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

As a WVU fan would you be interested in getting together with similar programs to yours(like mine, Okie State) and consider coming together to form a conference?

By similar programs I mean in terms of 'brand value', fan support, general interest, etc probably ranks somewhere from the high 20s to the low 40s and due to whatever reason(demographics, market size, etc) will end up missing out on joining one of the two main conferences

It just seems like there could be a middle ground- something below the bigten and sec obviously but something above/more exclusive than a larger conference with a lot of programs that are in the 50s, 60s and above in terms of brand value that we have to split the pu

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

(07-07-2022 10:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

but your take is the incorrect take that only the locals in the area are filling a stajium to 55k+

trying to say you cannot fill a 45K stajium in a metro area of 5 million people because there are "other things to do" is a horrible argument especially when a place like Texas Tech does not put 50K+ in their stajium because 25% of Lubbock goes to the football game because there is nothing else to do

25% of the people that LIVE IN LUBBOCK are not filling every hotel room for 35 miles on game weekends because ignoring that you live right in town and renting a hotel room is some requirement for going to a college football game

same with WVU in a city of 30K in a metro area of 135K they are not having half the residents there fill the stajium and that is that

and the people that are coming to fill hotels, restaurants ect. can all probably say there are other things to do where they live or there are a lot of other things to choose from to go do if they are going to pack up, jump in the car, rent hotel rooms for jacked up prices, eat in crowded restaurants, and drive 3 or 4 hours to do so

at some point if you are going to claim to come close to "delivering a market" and talk all about your fans and alumni I think everyone out there has the right to ask where in the hell are the asses in the seats......and saying "they have other better stuff to do" is a convincing answer.....that there might be other better choices with better fans and better support no matter the (very apathetic) market some program is trying to claim

Knowing that Cincinnati's Nippert Stadium only has a 40K capacity and we play some lousy teams, the average attendance isn't too bad. Also the AD is looking at expansion options.

(07-07-2022 10:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

even if this were true(and it's really not), that still speaks poorly of houston. If anything it speaks *more poorly* of them than if it were some other factor because if it were some other factor it would be more malleable.

The reality is that Houston doesn't even have that bad of attendance numbers given the sort of program they are.

It's ridiculous to compare houston and WVUs attendance when one of these programs has had a decent football profile for a long time, a longstanding passionate fan base, a tradition of football culture, etc....and one of them doesn't. If WVU didn't have way more attendance than programs like Houston that would be weird.....

(07-07-2022 11:04 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Knowing that Cincinnati's Nippert Stadium only has a 40K capacity and we play some lousy teams, the average attendance isn't too bad. Also the AD is looking at expansion options.

For what they are, Cincinatti's attendance isn't bad at all. Nobody would expect cincinatti to have the same attendance as Oklahoma State, Washington, Oregon, West Virginia, etc.....

if you look at cincinatti as a 'power 5 program', then sure there attendance is bad. But it's not 2007 anymore and such distinctions are irrelevant.....Cincinnati is doing fine for what they are. The same can be said for Houston

(07-07-2022 11:38 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

even if this were true(and it's really not), that still speaks poorly of houston. If anything it speaks *more poorly* of them than if it were some other factor because if it were some other factor it would be more malleable.

The reality is that Houston doesn't even have that bad of attendance numbers given the sort of program they are.

It's ridiculous to compare houston and WVUs attendance when one of these programs has had a decent football profile for a long time, a longstanding passionate fan base, a tradition of football culture, etc....and one of them doesn't. If WVU didn't have way more attendance than programs like Houston that would be weird.....

Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

Those numbers weren’t surprising to me at the time. The attendance numbers post Tom Herman are a reflection of decisions that came from within the athletic department. You have a coach deliver the greatest high for cougar football in decades and you follow that up by hiring Major Applewhite??? Dude worked overtime to crater the program. Then you follow that up with redshirt-gate? It’s very difficult to sell a minor league product in a major league city. You can’t make it harder by making poor hires and pissing off fans.

I do expect a bump this year. Last year’s success will bring back the redshirt-gate doubters. Then the next year there will be a bigger bump after actually making the Big 12 move.

Honestly this thread is bringing up bad memories: getting our asses beat at Oklahoma to start the season, losing at Tulane in embarrassing fashion in the final moments, having our best players quit the season the following day. All of this happened after playing the first 4 games of the season in 18 or so days. Man that season was something else smh…

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

This gets overlooked over and over...

Just because Coog fans don't sell out the stadium, doesn't mean they weren't still watching on TV. Same thing to be said for casual CFB fans of other teams, they still tune in to watch UH games, especially so when the matchup is meaningful. Winning is the key, when we win, the team becomes the city darlings and reflected in the attendance.

I've pushed so hard on various message boards to get fans to show up to the stadium so we can shed this appearance of no support, but I tired of talking to a brick wall. Fortunately, the most recent crop of students and graduates don't share this lazy attendance attitude, and I feel good about this year's attendance improving (how much? dunno honestly) and especially in 2023 once we line up against B12 teams!

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:38 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

even if this were true(and it's really not), that still speaks poorly of houston. If anything it speaks *more poorly* of them than if it were some other factor because if it were some other factor it would be more malleable.

The reality is that Houston doesn't even have that bad of attendance numbers given the sort of program they are.

It's ridiculous to compare houston and WVUs attendance when one of these programs has had a decent football profile for a long time, a longstanding passionate fan base, a tradition of football culture, etc....and one of them doesn't. If WVU didn't have way more attendance than programs like Houston that would be weird.....

Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

You are right that WVU is not attractive as a potential candidate to join one of the major conferences due to location, demographics, market, etc. And their fans know that- they've always known that the two power conferences are not going to swallow them for those reasons.

But when it comes to eyeballs(actually watching the games), WVU has a *lot* more than Houston. Always have. Houston may play in a major market, but that just means there are a lot of people in that major market not watching Houston football. West Virginia has always had decent tv numbers because they have a decent fan base. They still have no chance to be swallowed up by one of the big two however....