(07-07-2022 12:22 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

This gets overlooked over and over...

Just because Coog fans don't sell out the stadium, doesn't mean they weren't still watching on TV. Same thing to be said for casual CFB fans of other teams, they still tune in to watch UH games, especially so when the matchup is meaningful. Winning is the key, when we win, the team becomes the city darlings and reflected in the attendance.

I've pushed so hard on various message boards to get fans to show up to the stadium so we can shed this appearance of no support, but I tired of talking to a brick wall. Fortunately, the most recent crop of students and graduates don't share this lazy attendance attitude, and I feel good about this year's attendance improving (how much? dunno honestly) and especially in 2023 once we line up against B12 teams!

someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the tv numbers are that good for houston football either.

But they are good relative to what they are. I don't expect programs like houston to draw as many eyes on TV as west virginia. It's unfair to criticize them imo and act like they are supposed to......

Houston is doing fine for what they are. Attendance and tv.

(07-07-2022 02:13 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:22 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

This gets overlooked over and over...

Just because Coog fans don't sell out the stadium, doesn't mean they weren't still watching on TV. Same thing to be said for casual CFB fans of other teams, they still tune in to watch UH games, especially so when the matchup is meaningful. Winning is the key, when we win, the team becomes the city darlings and reflected in the attendance.

I've pushed so hard on various message boards to get fans to show up to the stadium so we can shed this appearance of no support, but I tired of talking to a brick wall. Fortunately, the most recent crop of students and graduates don't share this lazy attendance attitude, and I feel good about this year's attendance improving (how much? dunno honestly) and especially in 2023 once we line up against B12 teams!

someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the tv numbers are that good for houston football either.

But they are good relative to what they are. I don't expect programs like houston to draw as many eyes on TV as west virginia. It's unfair to criticize them imo and act like they are supposed to......

Houston is doing fine for what they are. Attendance and tv.

UH does pretty well when they have a recognizable opponent on a national broadcast. By that, I mean the ratings are above average for the opponent too. ie. It is not just the opponent carrying the load.
2019:
UH vs OU had 5.44 million viewers on ABC (with UH having a 70-14 loss in their prior game during bowl season)
UCLA vs OU had 2.7 million viewer on FOX
TX Tech vs OU had 2.8 million on FOX
Kansas vs OU had 3 million on ABC
UT vs OU had 7.25 million in FOX
WVU vs OU had 2.5 million on FOX (much less than UH)
K St vs OU had 4.3 million on ABC
Iowa St vs OU had 3.2 million on FOX
Baylor vs OU had 6.8 million on ABC
TCU vs OU had 3.2 million on FOX
Ok St vs OU had 5.8 million on FOX (so not much different than UH and rivalry at that)

UH had 4th highest OU game in regular season.


Dang OU has a huge benefit to ratings when all games are on broadcast TV.

(07-07-2022 02:13 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:22 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

This gets overlooked over and over...

Just because Coog fans don't sell out the stadium, doesn't mean they weren't still watching on TV. Same thing to be said for casual CFB fans of other teams, they still tune in to watch UH games, especially so when the matchup is meaningful. Winning is the key, when we win, the team becomes the city darlings and reflected in the attendance.

I've pushed so hard on various message boards to get fans to show up to the stadium so we can shed this appearance of no support, but I tired of talking to a brick wall. Fortunately, the most recent crop of students and graduates don't share this lazy attendance attitude, and I feel good about this year's attendance improving (how much? dunno honestly) and especially in 2023 once we line up against B12 teams!

someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the tv numbers are that good for houston football either.

But they are good relative to what they are. I don't expect programs like houston to draw as many eyes on TV as west virginia. It's unfair to criticize them imo and act like they are supposed to......

Houston is doing fine for what they are. Attendance and tv.

I have seen TV ratings for "big" games that showed lots of folks tuned in, but don't have any links handy. And likewise I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to be impressed with UH TV numbers when we played Grambling (for example). The point is, people want to watch interesting matchups.

But by the same token, I don't think WVU gets watched hardly at all in Houston unless its also a big game, and Houston is a HUGE TV market. WVU playing UH is now a reason for fans in Houston to tune in, not only for UH games against familiar and exciting opponents, but also to follow up how UH's other conference teams are doing.

This was all thought out already and decided upon when UH was invited to the B12, so not sure how anyone can argue UH won't bring TV viewers.

But I digress, my original comment was about attendance, and UH does need to fix that, and I think B12 games will make that happen.

(07-07-2022 03:05 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 02:13 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 12:22 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

This gets overlooked over and over...

Just because Coog fans don't sell out the stadium, doesn't mean they weren't still watching on TV. Same thing to be said for casual CFB fans of other teams, they still tune in to watch UH games, especially so when the matchup is meaningful. Winning is the key, when we win, the team becomes the city darlings and reflected in the attendance.

I've pushed so hard on various message boards to get fans to show up to the stadium so we can shed this appearance of no support, but I tired of talking to a brick wall. Fortunately, the most recent crop of students and graduates don't share this lazy attendance attitude, and I feel good about this year's attendance improving (how much? dunno honestly) and especially in 2023 once we line up against B12 teams!

someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the tv numbers are that good for houston football either.

But they are good relative to what they are. I don't expect programs like houston to draw as many eyes on TV as west virginia. It's unfair to criticize them imo and act like they are supposed to......

Houston is doing fine for what they are. Attendance and tv.

UH does pretty well when they have a recognizable opponent on a national broadcast. By that, I mean the ratings are above average for the opponent too. ie. It is not just the opponent carrying the load.
2019:
UH vs OU had 5.44 million viewers on ABC (with UH having a 70-14 loss in their prior game during bowl season)
UCLA vs OU had 2.7 million viewer on FOX
TX Tech vs OU had 2.8 million on FOX
Kansas vs OU had 3 million on ABC
UT vs OU had 7.25 million in FOX
WVU vs OU had 2.5 million on FOX (much less than UH)
K St vs OU had 4.3 million on ABC
Iowa St vs OU had 3.2 million on FOX
Baylor vs OU had 6.8 million on ABC
TCU vs OU had 3.2 million on FOX
Ok St vs OU had 5.8 million on FOX (so not much different than UH and rivalry at that)

UH had 4th highest OU game in regular season.


Dang OU has a huge benefit to ratings when all games are on broadcast TV.

Hold on. that OU OSU rivalry didn't beat that? I thought....nevermind. UH isn't competing with UT and the Aggies for Houston. They are competing against the Texans, Astros, and rockets. We need to put a product that can compete against that. Hopefully it's the Big12.

I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

I think this is hold true for all three of UC, UCF and UH. Those that were not in the AAC do not understand that fans of many of the school's in that conference did not support their programs. Our attendance numbers consisted of very few traveling fan base (usually reserved for immediate friends and family) and I am fairly certain that very few in New Orleans, Philly and Tulsa were tuning in to watch the games on TV.

(07-08-2022 06:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

I think this is hold true for all three of UC, UCF and UH. Those that were not in the AAC do not understand that fans of many of the school's in that conference did not support their programs. Our attendance numbers consisted of very few traveling fan base (usually reserved for immediate friends and family) and I am fairly certain that very few in New Orleans, Philly and Tulsa were tuning in to watch the games on TV.

if i remember correctly, over the last few years, UCF would have some noticeable group at Nippert. Its one trip to UC, UCLA fans were noticeable. But, the only fanbase that impressed me, was BYU, back in the Tuberville era. The area that hosted college game day last year, is usually empty on game days. BYU had a good sized tailgate area set up there. Fans in BYU gear were also all over the place. To me, going into the B12, I'd expect that UC fans will see more games like that, going forward.

(07-06-2022 03:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 09:23 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  So proud. I swear half the time we show up just for the tailgate. Historically Cyclones are gluttons for punishment. Jack Trice is our Wrigley Field.

Cincinnati's ranking is impressive considering Nippert's capacity.

Yeah, that was effectively a sell out for the season.

Same with UCF attendance is close to capacity. New additions won't add many new seats but more of the old ones will be higher end seating.

Isn't worrying about attendance numbers somewhat a thing of the past?

Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

(07-06-2022 07:10 AM)HornFrogFan Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Big oof on UH's part. Hopefully we will at least have that number in the 30k range this year.

Honest question - Do you think there will be a surge in attendance this year with the excitement of UH moving to the Big 12? Or do you think attendance won't go higher until 2023 when UH is fully in the league?

Attendance should see a bump this year because of the combined excitement of finishing ranked last/returning everyone/joining the Big 12. But I don't expect us to start selling out until 2023.

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

Not sure your point. You asked if attendance matters anymore. I said yes because of lots of money.

Not sure what you are complaining about with butts in seats. Ticket sales bring in 10s of millions to schools both with low, middle and club seats. Unless you are saying that there is a school that only has club seats, you point has no value as all schools have all levels of seats so attendance matters.

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:05 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I’m not at all one bit concerned with Houston increasing attendance numbers in both football and basketball… Heck even tv ratings is gonna go up as well.

not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

UH improved it's situation. The current schools didn't and also feared us being in the same conference because of the threat of us surpassing them. LOL please stop

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

They'll be in the 40k range once they get into the B12.

(07-08-2022 08:43 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  not being concerned is why uH should have been left behind and looked at as "always available if desperate"

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...clnk&gl=us

$9 million more in ticket sales and $20 more in donations annually is the difference between being a program that brings something to the conference and one that takes something from their students

LOL

Well that's your opinion, but the B12 leaders obviously didn't share that opinion when deciding who to invite to fill the OUT void, and I'm sure they had access to better information about what UH will bring to the B12 in terms of $$.

Please, don't try to make it sound like the B12 threw UH an undeserved bone, there are genuine expectations that UH fully intends to fulfill, despite persistent perceptions like yours. The smarter thinking prevailed.

UH, Cincy & UCF all know how to field winning teams on an AAC budget, and you're gonna find out what they can do with all the privileges your team has had for the past ~30 years. Winning generates interest. Interest generates $$. It's coming.

You should stop worrying if we're here to merely sponge off the rest of the b12's legacy, because last I remember, it was the 4 incoming schools that saved the b12 from becoming mere legacy. You may have your opinion about that but all the talking heads are saying lately is how the B12 went from the verge of dissolving to being in a strong position to poach the PAC and/or ACC now.

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

True my Club Seats are about $500.00 a piece.
The Suite seats are like double.

A lot of that is a required donation, which I do not know how that is reported.

When UC expands I expect in to be mostly luxury seats on east side.

(07-07-2022 02:11 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:46 AM)Coogaholic Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 11:38 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-07-2022 10:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 06:08 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Must resist temptation to talk crap bout Houston attendance numbers.
Must resist…

The difference between WVU and Houston attendance may be a reflection of locale. What else is there to do in Morgantown on an autumn Saturday afternoon?

even if this were true(and it's really not), that still speaks poorly of houston. If anything it speaks *more poorly* of them than if it were some other factor because if it were some other factor it would be more malleable.

The reality is that Houston doesn't even have that bad of attendance numbers given the sort of program they are.

It's ridiculous to compare houston and WVUs attendance when one of these programs has had a decent football profile for a long time, a longstanding passionate fan base, a tradition of football culture, etc....and one of them doesn't. If WVU didn't have way more attendance than programs like Houston that would be weird.....

Houston is in a pro town. that's the difference. This affects even schools like UCLA and Miami. It's ridiculous to compare the two. End of day its about eyeballs and markets which is what makes Houston attractive vs a WVU

You are right that WVU is not attractive as a potential candidate to join one of the major conferences due to location, demographics, market, etc. And their fans know that- they've always known that the two power conferences are not going to swallow them for those reasons.

But when it comes to eyeballs(actually watching the games), WVU has a *lot* more than Houston. Always have. Houston may play in a major market, but that just means there are a lot of people in that major market not watching Houston football. West Virginia has always had decent tv numbers because they have a decent fan base. They still have no chance to be swallowed up by one of the big two however....

LOL Again. Houston needs to deliver a product that competes with pro teams. We don't compete with WV or OSU for eyeballs in Houston. Texas is the biggest brand in all of CFB, has a large alumni base in Houston and they still take a back seat. The problem with some of yall tweener programs in states like Oklahoma and West Virgina is yall compete in a small pond and have an overinflated view of who yall really are. Oregon and Washington is now realizing this. When Houston delivers a good product (i.e. Oklahoma vs Houston) they can even beat out UT vs Notre dame in Houston. I'm still unsure about the future landscape with the Big 12 but as long as we are with the Texas schools it will be waaaaay better than what we experienced since the SWC. We are good

(07-09-2022 02:20 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 03:25 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Not when your talking 10s of millions of dollars.

$$$ and butts in seats are not always directly proportional. One luxury seat is worth about ten regular seats, would you say?

True my Club Seats are about $500.00 a piece.
The Suite seats are like double.

A lot of that is a required donation, which I do not know how that is reported.

When UC expands I expect in to be mostly luxury seats on east side.

You aren’t buying one of those new field-level suites on the north end of the stadium? They are only running $25k