(06-30-2022 08:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the PAC 12 is dropped to 8, I think the best move is to try and get the Big 12 schools to disband and then join up with them:

Wash St
Ore St
Cal
Stanford
Utah
BYU
Arizona
Ariz St

Colorado
Kansas
K St
Iowa St
Okla St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Houston

WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF obviously get screwed but I have a feeling the ACC is going to have some openings soon.

Stanford and Cal would have to do some serious nose holding to accept this, but shy of getting into the Big 10/SEC, this is the best future they could hope for. .

Yeah I didn't think of this, what's the procedure to dissolve the Big 12? Can it be done? Would they want to destroy a burgeoning Eastern flank where additional schools could become available?

Would Cal/Stanford be able to stomach BYU? Very skeptical, but it's possible if they are desperate enough. WVU has to go no doubt.

Edit: There are 17 schools listed there so somehow they'd have to kick out BYU move Colorado out there. Only then would it be viable.

Forget the dissolving idea. Big12 schools lose their voting rights the moment they start negotiating with another conference. The Big12 also has a exit fee equal to 2 years of the per team conference payout (thats and exit fee of roughly 80 million each right now). The Pac12 has no exit fee---but it does have a GOR that expires in 2024. So--its way easier to move teams to the Big12. You could do a full merger of the new-Big12 and the Pac12 rump---but 20 schools is pretty unwieldy. I think the Big12 schools would rather just grab the best 4 to 6 remaining Pac12 schools and move forward as a 16 or 18 team conference.

(06-30-2022 10:34 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Oregon is still a huge draw despite the Cristobal flops last year against the Utes. There are a lot of games and rivalries that were more than just individual schools. I can see them leaving behind Zonas and schools of that ilk, but I have to also trust the other reports that the B1G will build a flank out there. There is a lot of posturing going on I'd bet.

The PAC at least at the top of FB has better brands with Oregon, Stanford, Arizona St, Utah and Colorado than what the XII offers.

XII has good depth which the PAC lacks so its a good marriage.

As to the XII GOR, exit fees etc. that is mentioned but you do realize the PAC can wait until 2025 for XII to move over since they are sitting at 10 and don't immediately need to expand for the TV contract. Waiting until 2025 is not a problem at all.

(06-30-2022 11:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the PAC 12 is dropped to 8, I think the best move is to try and get the Big 12 schools to disband and then join up with them:

Wash St
Ore St
Cal
Stanford
Utah
BYU
Arizona
Ariz St

Colorado
Kansas
K St
Iowa St
Okla St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Houston

WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF obviously get screwed but I have a feeling the ACC is going to have some openings soon.

Stanford and Cal would have to do some serious nose holding to accept this, but shy of getting into the Big 10/SEC, this is the best future they could hope for. .

Yeah I didn't think of this, what's the procedure to dissolve the Big 12? Can it be done? Would they want to destroy a burgeoning Eastern flank where additional schools could become available?

Would Cal/Stanford be able to stomach BYU? Very skeptical, but it's possible if they are desperate enough. WVU has to go no doubt.

Edit: There are 17 schools listed there so somehow they'd have to kick out BYU move Colorado out there. Only then would it be viable.

Forget the dissolving idea. Big12 schools lose their voting rights the moment they start negotiating with another conference. The Big12 also has a exit fee equal to 2 years of the per team conference payout (thats and exit fee of roughly 80 million each right now). The Pac12 has no exit fee---but it does have a GOR that expires in 2024. So--its way easier to move teams to the Big12. You could do a full merger of the new-Big12 and the Pac12 rump---but 20 schools is pretty unwieldy. I think the Big12 schools would rather just grab the best 4 to 6 remaining Pac12 schools and move forward as a 16 or 18 team conference.

PAC can wait on the XII until 2025 since they have 10 if need be so the 2 year of full exit fee problem is moot.

(06-30-2022 11:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the PAC 12 is dropped to 8, I think the best move is to try and get the Big 12 schools to disband and then join up with them:

Wash St
Ore St
Cal
Stanford
Utah
BYU
Arizona
Ariz St

Colorado
Kansas
K St
Iowa St
Okla St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Houston

WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF obviously get screwed but I have a feeling the ACC is going to have some openings soon.

Stanford and Cal would have to do some serious nose holding to accept this, but shy of getting into the Big 10/SEC, this is the best future they could hope for. .

Yeah I didn't think of this, what's the procedure to dissolve the Big 12? Can it be done? Would they want to destroy a burgeoning Eastern flank where additional schools could become available?

Would Cal/Stanford be able to stomach BYU? Very skeptical, but it's possible if they are desperate enough. WVU has to go no doubt.

Edit: There are 17 schools listed there so somehow they'd have to kick out BYU move Colorado out there. Only then would it be viable.

Forget the dissolving idea. Big12 schools lose their voting rights the moment they start negotiating with another conference. The Big12 also has a exit fee equal to 2 years of the per team conference payout (thats and exit fee of roughly 80 million each right now). The Pac12 has no exit fee---but it does have a GOR that expires in 2024. So--its way easier to move teams to the Big12. You could do a full merger of the new-Big12 and the Pac12 rump---but 20 schools is pretty unwieldy. I think the Big12 schools would rather just grab the best 4 to 6 remaining Pac12 schools and move forward as a 16 or 18 team conference.

PAC can wait on the XII until 2025 since they have 10 if need be so the 2 year of full exit fee problem is moot.

The Big12 exit fee doesnt go away when the GOR ends. The exit fee and the GOR are two different things located in 2 different documents. The Big12 GOR ends in 2025. The Big12 exit fee is part of a 99 year agreement that ends around 2100. So, the Pac12 GOR and the Big12 GOR are the only two items that each become moot prior to 2025. The Pac12 has no exit fee---but the Big12 will still have a substantial exit fee for years to come.

(07-01-2022 12:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 08:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the PAC 12 is dropped to 8, I think the best move is to try and get the Big 12 schools to disband and then join up with them:

Wash St
Ore St
Cal
Stanford
Utah
BYU
Arizona
Ariz St

Colorado
Kansas
K St
Iowa St
Okla St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Houston

WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF obviously get screwed but I have a feeling the ACC is going to have some openings soon.

Stanford and Cal would have to do some serious nose holding to accept this, but shy of getting into the Big 10/SEC, this is the best future they could hope for. .

Yeah I didn't think of this, what's the procedure to dissolve the Big 12? Can it be done? Would they want to destroy a burgeoning Eastern flank where additional schools could become available?

Would Cal/Stanford be able to stomach BYU? Very skeptical, but it's possible if they are desperate enough. WVU has to go no doubt.

Edit: There are 17 schools listed there so somehow they'd have to kick out BYU move Colorado out there. Only then would it be viable.

Forget the dissolving idea. Big12 schools lose their voting rights the moment they start negotiating with another conference. The Big12 also has a exit fee equal to 2 years of the per team conference payout (thats and exit fee of roughly 80 million each right now). The Pac12 has no exit fee---but it does have a GOR that expires in 2024. So--its way easier to move teams to the Big12. You could do a full merger of the new-Big12 and the Pac12 rump---but 20 schools is pretty unwieldy. I think the Big12 schools would rather just grab the best 4 to 6 remaining Pac12 schools and move forward as a 16 or 18 team conference.

PAC can wait on the XII until 2025 since they have 10 if need be so the 2 year of full exit fee problem is moot.

The Big12 exit fee doesnt go away when the GOR ends. The exit fee and the GOR are two different things located in 2 different documents. The Big12 GOR ends in 2025. The Big12 exit fee is part of a 99 year agreement that ends around 2100. So, the Pac12 GOR and the Big12 GOR are the only two items that each become moot prior to 2025. The Pac12 has no exit fee---but the Big12 will still have a substantial exit fee for years to come.

XII membership then may not want to move to the PAC. Regardless PAC membership is not getting ensnared in the XII.

(06-30-2022 10:38 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 10:28 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:15 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...so, the Alliance arrangement was ultimately a BIG10 'Trojan Horse' move...

...looks like ND could be the 'next move'... if they pop on the BIG10, then I figure the BIG10 will go grab whoever else they want from the PAC...

BIG gets UO, UW, Cal and Stan

BIG XII gets UA, ASU, CU, and UU

MWC gets OSU and WSU...

and the Attack of the PAC is completed.

...I mean just a few days ago there was a post about how 'untenable' the PAC Network is... wild how quickly that escalated to this, but, it's what TOTALLY drives the bus, y'all... [insert multiple nonexistent 'money' emojis that GTS STILL hasn't created... (sorry and JK, GTS - keep doing the great work you do! ]

If the B10 gets Notre Dame and they add the four you mention, they will not stop at 21 teams (which is how many they would then have). They would likely add three more.

Three from UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, Clemson, Georgia Tech, FSU

OR

Three from AZ, ASU, Utah, Colorado

If a 24 team B10 were to come to pass, I would bet on AZ, ASU and Colorado being added. The B10 would get Denver and Phoenix along with the Los Angeles market they added today.

It's all about networks and streaming. In a way, conference championships might wind up being bigger deals than national titles.

Yup, I have to believe 8 schools are going. 23 and 24 can wait. Utah or Zona probably miss the cut. I'm going to guess Zona because of football, and they pair better with the Big 12 regardless.

Arizona has basketball, are AAU (ASU isn’t), and ASU had the cheating scandal. Guessing Arizona which is a huge state with tons of snow birds makes the cut.

(06-30-2022 11:25 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

Quite telling. No mention of confidence in the PAC. Honestly, he is probably working the phones to the B1G and Big 12.....anywhere off the sinking ship.