We always look at these moves through the eyes of the basketball and football programs. Getting those teams to the away games is not a problem, however, this is beyond ridiculous for all of the other squads. Getting the non-revenue teams to a competition against say Penn State or Iowa in the dead of winter will be brutal.

Quote: The schools’ Midwestern migration will begin on Aug. 2, 2024, and include all sports except beach volleyball, men’s volleyball and men’s and women’s water polo.

So as MAC fans, do we want the Big 10 to destroy the PAC even more?

(07-01-2022 09:34 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 09:12 AM)axeme Wrote:  Sucks to be Washington St and Oregon St.

NDSU, WAZZU, Oregon State and Montana TO THE MAC

That would be awesome!

(07-01-2022 10:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  So as MAC fans, do we want the Big 10 to destroy the PAC even more?

We want a 3rd mega conference and our schools to be in that to be honest.

This is a pipe dream but a PAC12/big12 of ISU, UC, UCF, BYU, UTAH, TT, Baylor, Oregon State, Oklahoma state, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Wazzu, TCU, Arizona, Arizona State, Kansas State, Boise State, SDSU, Houston, leaves some spots. But the number of 18 or 24 makes a difference. So 2 of those get left out, or they need 4 more. NIU, WMU and Toledo arent out of the question for a mega mid tier league.

There are giant ocean liners going by that will capsize our bass boats. They don’t even know we’re there.

The MAC has the lowest sex appeal in FBS. Therefore, we are simply at the mercy of all the maelstrom going on around us and hope for the best.

Probably the biggest thing for us is whatever becomes of the P5 monoliths doesn't shut off the non-con spigot for us. I imagine they'll still want us for their so-called September "cupcakes," but if those paydays ever dry up someday (see 2020 COVID season), we're screwed.

I mean at minimum, it wouldn't surprise me if the B1G and SEC upped their conference schedule to 10 games as they expand their memberships, leaving 2 non-con slots.

MAC stability comes from our un-sexiness.

The top 40 blue bloods should just go off and do their own thing. Let us get back to college athletics the way it was intended. I'd much rather play an Iowa St type team out of conference than UM or MSU.

(07-01-2022 12:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The top 40 blue bloods should just go off and do their own thing. Let us get back to college athletics the way it was intended. I'd much rather play an Iowa St type team out of conference than UM or MSU.

Me too, although partly because we always seem to badly crap the bed at MSU and UM.

Thing is, those blue bloods pay the best, like that $1.8 million we'll get at OSU in a couple years.

23 thoughts from Footballscoop. Many of which have been touched on here.

https://footballscoop.com/news/23-though...la-big-ten

(06-30-2022 07:36 PM)Buffalo Super Fan Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 03:38 PM)MacLord Wrote:  As someone who has worked with the Pac-10/12 as a client, you'll never meet a more arrogant bunch of people, so in that respect, I am amused. As a fan of regional college football and things like reason and sense, tradition, and all that old-timey stuff, this is a ridiculous joke.

We're left to wonder how it trickles down to affecting the MAC, but the fact is, sooner rather than later, the big schools are going their own Superleague way and most or all of the G5 is going to a second level of relevance, or worse.

UB Bulls have no future upward in Power Five Conference football ever that is why I want UB to join the Big East Conference in basketball. UB will be lucky if they can fund Power 6 Big East Conference football never mind Power 5 or Group of 5 football with NIL I think the UB Bulls football dream was over. UB is struggling keeping up with Atlantic 10 conference St Bonaventure Bonnies basketball in the Western New York market. I am a hardcore UB football fan but when NIL became a thing no way can UB run with that when the Buffalo Bills are king in Buffalo. When the Buffalo Bills choose Orchard Park again for the Bills stadium 45 minutes away from UB those two things it was over.

Connecticut Huskies are the smartest Group of 5 school in the room they went back to the Big East Conference. UB Bulls basketball needs to beg the Big East Conference for UB to replace Syracuse old spot in Big East Conference that is UB only chance at big time now this USC and UCLA only adds to that train of thought UB has no upward mobility in FBS football. We can be special like a Connecticut Huskies in a soon to be renovated Key Bank Center downtown where the Buffalo Sabres play. So you have like a old Hartford Civic Center thing of Hartford Whalers and Connecticut Huskies with the Buffalo Sabres and UB Bulls basketball that is realistic money wise in Buffalo Western New York. New York State wants no part of funding major college football even though UB is a New York State flagship.

UB Bulls basketball is possible because we have no NBA anymore in Buffalo and that ship sailed when I was 10 years old. Buffalo has some of the higher in game attendance for the NCAA basketball tournament. 15,000 at UB Stadium for football isn’t going to get it done but for basketball it will. Plus UB alums are in the Northeast so the Big East Conference playing on Fox on Saturday’s would be huge ratings for UB Bulls basketball in Buffalo. Again it isn’t anything personal I enjoy the MAC but UB can’t be big time in the MAC like the Big East Conference playing St John’s, Seton Hall, Connecticut, Georgetown, DePaul, Marquette and Xavier major league sports markets that Buffalo as a major league city Buffalo sports fans can relate to in my opinion. UB Horns Up! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo

Sounds great if you don't like college football.

(07-01-2022 09:02 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 08:57 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 08:16 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  It's all so crazy and quite asinine really. It really is sad what is happening to one of my most beloved sports, college fb and its all due to greed.

I agree 100%. Free agency (NIL + portal) and 16+ team super-conferences stretching from coast to coast is watering down my excitement for the sport, as it evolves into more of an NFC (B1G) and AFC (SEC) arms race. I mean I'll still watch and follow it, but without the same level of enthusiasm as I had just 5+ years ago.

Yes exactly you share my same thoughts as well

Also agree. I have long said we have NFL-Lite @ college campuses.

Is there a difference between OSU and the CLE Browns? Okay, OSU wins more and draws more fans.

The Big Ten likely adds Oregon, Arizona, Washington and Colorado for 20 with UCLA, USC, Nebraska and Iowa in western division. Colorado old rival of Nebraska gets in. Arizona basketball is a no brainer.

The Big Ten is waiting on Notre Dame. After that, I think it will be Oregon, Washington and Stanford. This would allow the conference to break into four 5-team divisions, like this, for example:

Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Ohio State
Indiana

Michigan
MSU
Notre Dame
Purdue
Northwestern

Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

USC
UCLA
Stanford
Oregon
Washington

16 Team Conference tried many years ago and failed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...xperiment/

(06-30-2022 01:46 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  BIG will probably also add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and 1 other and make 2 10 team divisions. Remnants of Big12 and remaining PAC schools will merge to try and stay relevant.

Nope. No reason to stick with divisions that are too large to support a division round robin, when the NCAA has already deregulated the CCG and divisions are no longer needed for the CCG.

This could well be the reason that the Big Ten flipped to support CCG deregulation ... so it can abandon divisions and go to a "3 fixed rivals" scheduling model ... not pods, but with different "3 fixed rivals" for each school ... which can readily accommodate 16 or 18 schools.

So if Notre Dame is willing to join so long as Stanford comes along, then its USC / UCLA / ND / Stanford and done for the time being. If ND is not interested, then perhaps the rumored USC / UCLA / Oregon / Washington.

Eventually if the opportunity for a semi-final / final CCG structure arises and a conference can organize into three divisions and a wildcard, then it might bump up to 21 and add three more.

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(07-01-2022 09:52 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  We always look at these moves through the eyes of the basketball and football programs. Getting those teams to the away games is not a problem, however, this is beyond ridiculous for all of the other squads. Getting the non-revenue teams to a competition against say Penn State or Iowa in the dead of winter will be brutal.

Quote: The schools’ Midwestern migration will begin on Aug. 2, 2024, and include all sports except beach volleyball, men’s volleyball and men’s and women’s water polo.

This is the PAC-12 we are talking about, not the MAC. It's not like the USC women's soccer team takes a bus to play Wazzou or Oregon State or Utah or Colorado.

Really, because they are on Pacific time, the teams start their trip back an hour or two earlier in the evening than when they are playing PAC-12 Mountain Time zone schools, and that extra hour or two mostly covers the longer flight time to the Midwest.

The story on this is USC/UCLA were fed up with the PAC and told the B1G we are leaving the PAC and if you want us you'll need to take us now. So the B1G did just that.

Part of the reason this works for the B1G is now they have a presence in the #2 media market with LA and USC/UCLA can serve as travel partners in a way other programs can't (like UO/UW). B1G had been in contact with USC/UCLA for a year but this was a last second ram rod as 6/30 was a two year notice deadline. For this reason I don't think we'll see another move by the B1G this year.

B1G (USC, UCLA)
PAC (OSU, TCU, SMU, Tech)
XII (Memphis, Temple, USF)
AAC (WKU, MT, LT, FIU)

-PAC had the votes last year to add OSU but couldn't find the right 14th. This time they basically have to expand and if OSU is leaving they'll be able to get who they want. I predict it will be OSU, TCU, SMU, Tech to try and get maximum penetration into DFW.

-XII has generally been building eastward since the addition of WVU and I think they continue in that trend with Memphis, Temple and USF. Memphis is the most ready to go XII addition with the Liberty bowl and strong basketball. Temple and USF are such large schools and large markets they are tough to pass up.

-AAC I think will try to fill in gaps with WKU, MT, LT, FIU. With Temple gone they will no longer be a treat to add any Northeast schools. Navy might hang in or they might walk somewhere else at this point. The AAC will look very much like CUSA 3.0 going forward.

Excellent reporting here by John Canzano, who has a sports talk radio show based in Portland, Oregon.

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...comes-with

Just split off into the Power 2 & be done w/ it.

(07-03-2022 01:03 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Excellent reporting here by John Canzano, who has a sports talk radio show based in Portland, Oregon.

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pa...comes-with

I see it shaking out between the PAC-XII just like it did with SBC-CUSA last year.

SBC was at 10 teams and CUSA 14. This gave the SBC more room to expand and lure the right schools over. PAC has 10 moving forward and XII a far flung 12. This gives the PAC an advantage where they can take the 4 they want and be only at 14.

Everything rolls down hill on TV contracts. If they are spending more on the B1G they'll have less to spend on the PAC and even less than that on the XII. XII may be looking at a TV deal worth only 10-15 million reflecting how far lower they will be nationally.