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(06-30-2022 09:11 PM)ICB Wrote:  and it is still just the beginning.

It's just the beginning if another, better conference invites us. We have legit hope for this, more than ever before, but I doubt that we are far enough up the reputation and on-the-field proof curve for it to actually happen yet. Losing Clark is also a blow to this, at least in the near term.

Heading toward an NFL-style ACF vs NFC "Super Bowl" National Championship game...

The GOR isn’t ironclad. It is an obstacle but not one that cannot be broken if they really want to break it.

IMO - you need to position yourself to be somewhere around the top 50 as in the end, it will look like the NFL of 2 maybe 4 conferences of 12-16 teams. There will be one in the SE, NE, MW & West. All these will be in the all access bowls. Everyone else will be in the new FCS.

GOR's aren't ironclad but they are also expensive to get out of. Ask OU and Texas about it.

Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes the cost of not leaving is worse than the exit fee. If the right schools want the GOR broken, they will break it.

Notre Dame can get out. They'd have to pay a penalty for breaking their agreement to play football in the ACC, but that's not going to be huge money on the ND scale. The rest of the conference is on the hook, pending paying high dollar attorneys and big payouts to leave. It can be done but it won't be easy or cheap.

(07-01-2022 07:03 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Notre Dame can get out. They'd have to pay a penalty for breaking their agreement to play football in the ACC, but that's not going to be huge money on the ND scale. The rest of the conference is on the hook, pending paying high dollar attorneys and big payouts to leave. It can be done but it won't be easy or cheap.

DD and AB always want to go opposite of what I say. Hilarious! But Texas and OU are perfect examples of wanting to get out of their GOR's. I honestly thought it would not be an issue for either of those schools to pay the cost of their GOR to get to the SEC early and avoid having to play the new teams coming into the Big XII. But various reports have stated OU couldn't afford to pay over a 100 million plus to do so. They could have possibly even financed the cost of the exit fees over a period of years but didn't do so.

If an ACC team was submitted an application to the B!G or SEC for membership this year that team would have to pay over 100 million dollars. So it will be interesting to see how it all plays out because I have no doubt their are ACC teams are making inquiries for membership to those two conferences.

(07-01-2022 06:29 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes the cost of not leaving is worse than the exit fee. If the right schools want the GOR broken, they will break it.

We'll see.

(07-01-2022 07:03 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Notre Dame can get out. They'd have to pay a penalty for breaking their agreement to play football in the ACC, but that's not going to be huge money on the ND scale. The rest of the conference is on the hook, pending paying high dollar attorneys and big payouts to leave. It can be done but it won't be easy or cheap.

...I saw somewhere (so you can take it to the BANK, y'all... ) that $175-180 mill is the likely 'magic range' for the Domers to break free of the ACC and of course mosey on into the BIG10...

(07-01-2022 07:20 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 07:03 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Notre Dame can get out. They'd have to pay a penalty for breaking their agreement to play football in the ACC, but that's not going to be huge money on the ND scale. The rest of the conference is on the hook, pending paying high dollar attorneys and big payouts to leave. It can be done but it won't be easy or cheap.

DD and AB always want to go opposite of what I say. Hilarious! But Texas and OU are perfect examples of wanting to get out of their GOR's. I honestly thought it would not be an issue for either of those schools to pay the cost of their GOR to get to the SEC early and avoid having to play the new teams coming into the Big XII. But various reports have stated OU couldn't afford to pay over a 100 million plus to do so. They could have possibly even financed the cost of the exit fees over a period of years but didn't do so.

If an ACC team was submitted an application to the B!G or SEC for membership this year that team would have to pay over 100 million dollars. So it will be interesting to see how it all plays out because I have no doubt their are ACC teams are making inquiries for membership to those two conferences.

The loose estimates I've heard have it in the $500M range for breaking the ACC GOR right now. Absolutely not worth it.

GORs haven't truly been put to the test in court yet. But like you pointed out already in another post, look at Texas and Oklahoma. They have 3 years left on their GOR and it seems too difficult/expensive to break so they're just waiting it out. USC and UCLA timed their move for when their GOR ends rather than try and test it. The ACC has over a decade left. That seems like it'll be a challenge to fight one that still has so much time left.

MHver3@MHver3
3h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

(07-02-2022 11:39 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  MHver3@MHver3
3h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

I'd love for this to happen, it would make sense, but MHver3 is just one of many Twitter expansionistas who just throw spaghetti at the wall and hope something sticks.

(07-02-2022 12:53 PM)space orange Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 11:39 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  MHver3@MHver3
3h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

I'd love for this to happen, it would make sense, but MHver3 is just one of many Twitter expansionistas who just throw spaghetti at the wall and hope something sticks.

Gonna be a lot of this until something officially happens - and even beyond that. Saw another report indicating the Big12 was not interested in those four, which I find hard to believe. And another report indicating the Pac12 was going after some Big12 and ACC teams. I suspect the SEC and Big10 will get to 20 teams each and the ACC, Big12, and Pac12 will have 40 teams between(80 total) with one of those conferences, whether through merger or folding, ceasing to exist. So, 4 regional power conferences setting up championship playoff. Someone said years ago that we were heading to an ESPN(SEC) vs Fox (Big10) championship. I suppose, since (sports) networks seem to be driving this, there will be great consideration (maybe from NBC and/or CBS) to try to hook into something(ACC/Big12/Pac12)...

(07-02-2022 11:39 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  MHver3@MHver3
3h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

A lot of schools have applied to a lot of conferences over the years. It does not mean that they are going to get in, just that they want to.

(07-02-2022 04:59 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 11:39 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  MHver3@MHver3
3h
My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Things are getting crazy!

A lot of schools have applied to a lot of conferences over the years. It does not mean that they are going to get in, just that they want to.

But this situation is different because it was reported that the new Big XII commish was going after those 4 schools. Another thing is I don't believe program(s) apply for membership until they know it will be approved. I'm not saying his source is correct because if it was true it would have already been reported by ESPN, CBS, etc.

Which P5 schools get thrown to the wolves?

Interesting, from the 1950’s…

https://twitter.com/chrisvannini/status/...OIl8-7-xbQ

(07-02-2022 07:46 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Which P5 schools get thrown to the wolves?

None of the them. The SEC and B1G would keep their bottom feeders for an essy win or two.

(07-05-2022 09:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 07:46 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Which P5 schools get thrown to the wolves?

None of the them. The SEC and B1G would keep their bottom feeders for an easy win or two.

...eh, I don't know... when the UberPremierMondoLeague 'breakaway' from the NCAA occurs, they will set up 'requirements' for programs (monetary commitments, among other things) such that a fair chunk of the 'lower programs' will not be able to meet, or at least will not agree to... thus, the Vandys, Northwesterns, and Wake Forests of the world will be sifted out of the UberPremierMondoLeague...