(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

likely Oregon and Washington come along with USC and UCLA TO BIG 10 and big 12 merges w/ pac 12 leftovers.

(06-30-2022 01:36 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  This ends up with two super leagues of 20-24. BigTen and SEC and they split from rest. Welcome to the NFL minor league

That seems to be the most likely outcome. The SEC and B1G are certainly the big dogs here.

I also think this hastens Florida State and Clemson to the SEC.

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:34 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:16 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Wow if this does happen it basically signals that the PAC revenue wasn’t going to be that good. That’s also not a good sign for the Big12.

The question will be if it does happen are they taking anyone else with them.

Nah it was location that killed the PAC. Jon Wilner made it clear months ago the PAC 12 was in a worse situation than the Big12. If anything the Big 12 either poaches and gets a great deal or gets poached. But TV money ain’t dropping if the B12 does the poaching.


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The Big12 lacks the big hitters and markets, their best hope is that the PAC gets raided by BigTen from more than USC and UCLA. Time will tell but is really doesn’t look good for anyone outside BigTen andcSEC

Nah without USC and UCLA the PAC has no appeal. No big names worth spending $80 million or on more on moving too. Oregon and Washington maybe, but without USC and UCLA their value plummets to Texas Tech levels of value.


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(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

kansas is bigger than Washington and stanford

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

This is where my head went as most logical. I see either Big 12 trying to poach Oregon and Utah and add Boise to pair with BYU or Pac 12 adds SDSU and Boise.

For the AAC, either of these might push CSU and Air Force to move to the AAC.

(06-30-2022 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

kansas is bigger than Washington and stanford

Basketball doesn’t drive this bus

We will find out soon enough, the tweets now say this is a formality and BigTen could make official within 24 hrs

(06-30-2022 01:39 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

no, they won't just accept 2nd tier status , oregon, wazzu, arizona wont accept being 2nd tier, which this move would make ..

they will definitely power play for the big 12 teams, especially kansas .. and likely even gonzaga too..

I don’t think Kansas sniffs the PAC. Gonzaga is a great basketball school but no chance they sniff an invite without a football team.

you are portraying it like the pac 12 has options

kansas and gonzaga are the only moves that will be nationally praised, they are in survival mode

(06-30-2022 01:44 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

kansas is bigger than Washington and stanford

Basketball doesn’t drive this bus

We will find out soon enough, the tweets now say this is a formality and BigTen could make official within 24 hrs

and neither stanford or washington are football powers..

national basketball power > insignificant football

(06-30-2022 01:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:44 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

kansas is bigger than Washington and stanford

Basketball doesn’t drive this bus

We will find out soon enough, the tweets now say this is a formality and BigTen could make official within 24 hrs

and neither stanford or washington are football powers..

national basketball power > insignificant football

Let’s wait and see who is right, I see PAC adding Big12 schools.

(06-30-2022 01:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

This is where my head went as most logical. I see either Big 12 trying to poach Oregon and Utah and add Boise to pair with BYU or Pac 12 adds SDSU and Boise.

For the AAC, either of these might push CSU and Air Force to move to the AAC.

if you can poach oregon and utah..why would you add boise when the arizonas are available

(06-30-2022 01:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:39 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

no, they won't just accept 2nd tier status , oregon, wazzu, arizona wont accept being 2nd tier, which this move would make ..

they will definitely power play for the big 12 teams, especially kansas .. and likely even gonzaga too..

I don’t think Kansas sniffs the PAC. Gonzaga is a great basketball school but no chance they sniff an invite without a football team.

you are portraying it like the pac 12 has options

kansas and gonzaga are the only moves that will be nationally praised, they are in survival mode

True true… but I don’t think Kansas makes the jump or gets the invite. We are a much better add for the PAC then Kansas by a mile.


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(06-30-2022 01:41 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

likely Oregon and Washington come along with USC and UCLA TO BIG 10 and big 12 merges w/ pac 12 leftovers.

That really depends on if either league is willing to move beyond 16, which we haven't seen yet. Would the B10 move to 18? And would the remaining PAC12 merge with the Big12 to go to 20?

(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

The problem for the PAC is that most of the eyeballs are on the East Coast and that is why revenue streams and consequently interest for the PAC has waned. People in Texas and Florida and the rest of the Southwest and Southeast take their football seriously, People in California and on the West Coast not so much. Not much interest = not much $.

(06-30-2022 01:47 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Let’s wait and see who is right, I see PAC adding Big12 schools.

im leaning towards the pac 12 aswell but kansas is still a bigger sports brand than stanford.. oregon is the biggest fish between both though

Anyone who thinks the PAC can't/wont raid the Big12 is lying to themselves. Just like I lied to myself about the American taking from the Big12. The Big12 leftovers would much MUCH rather be with the PAC leftovers than their pauper call-ups.

(06-30-2022 01:41 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:34 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:16 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Wow if this does happen it basically signals that the PAC revenue wasn’t going to be that good. That’s also not a good sign for the Big12.

The question will be if it does happen are they taking anyone else with them.

Nah it was location that killed the PAC. Jon Wilner made it clear months ago the PAC 12 was in a worse situation than the Big12. If anything the Big 12 either poaches and gets a great deal or gets poached. But TV money ain’t dropping if the B12 does the poaching.


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The Big12 lacks the big hitters and markets, their best hope is that the PAC gets raided by BigTen from more than USC and UCLA. Time will tell but is really doesn’t look good for anyone outside BigTen andcSEC

Nah without USC and UCLA the PAC has no appeal. No big names worth spending $80 million or on more on moving too. Oregon and Washington maybe, but without USC and UCLA their value plummets to Texas Tech levels of value.


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I'm not sure you can make that argument. The Washington Schools and Oregon have long histories of good performance (in a state that supports all of its teams), Oregon especially over the past 15 years. Oregon also has the Nike association and benefit of being the state flagship school. No chance they get left behind, although the Big 10 might be a stretch because of academics.

(06-30-2022 01:40 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:38 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:30 PM)ICB Wrote:  Any possible way Pac 12 just adds Boise St and San Diego St and be done?

Mostly likely, but wouldn’t be surprised if the B12 poaches AZ and AZ St.

B12 >>>>>>> PAC leftovers at this point

Disagree. As long as Oregon, Washington and even Stanford remains those are all bigger names than anyone in Big12.

Time will tell who wins the tug of war. PAC has advantage that their tv contract comes first

Sorry, but BIG isn’t leaving UCLA and USC on an Island. They’re picking up at least two other schools. Likely Stanford and Cal, or AZ and Colorado.

If PAC loses 4 teams, they’re donezo. BIG12 picks up the scraps.

(06-30-2022 01:51 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the PAC can't/wont raid the Big12 is lying to themselves. Just like I lied to myself about the American taking from the Big12. The Big12 leftovers would much MUCH rather be with the PAC leftovers than their pauper call-ups.

Agree to disagree for the reasons I've already stated.

(06-30-2022 01:22 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  This may be real real bad for the B12 adds as it now becomes a viable argument to poach the other B12 original names and move more towards the 16 X 4 super conference model.

Don’t believe it will be 16 x 4…IMHO it will be 2 super conferences made up of 30-50 name brand schools, because over the previous couple of months the following HAS happened:

-Clemson head coach said (paraphrasing) it’s time to stop beating around the bush…being talked about behind closed doors, it’s coming…30-50 schools will break away in football.

-The Notre Dame AD, I believe, and one other major head coach said essentially the same

-Word out of the SEC spring meeting is they would like to have their own 8 team playoff with the winner going up against another group of schools for the national title..they have to have the Big 10 in mind.

Now UCLA and USC is going to the Big 10…fits the above comments.

Based on 30-50 P5 teams being involved means 3-7 P5 schools will need somewhere to settle. All schools “downstream” will be touched.