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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-20-2022 02:01 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

What do you mean by the new D2? Are 15 or so FCS conferences going to be forcibly demoted to D2? No that's not going to happen.

Do you mean the P5 football move on from the NCAA via break away or re-imagining Football under a non-NCAA governance effectively leaving the G5 and FCS as a second tier of College football? If so, then the A10 and BE are going to be left behind with everyone else. No way conferences not even carrying FBS football make the cut, when 5 conferences that do, don't make the cut.

Is there going to be a break away in Div 1 basketball as well? That's the only possibility where your question makes sense. In which case, I'd like to think the BE, A10, WCC make the cut but I have a feeling it will be done more of a way that teams cut themselves and conferences reshuffle.

In other words, instead of a free tournament auto-bid to each conference with no membership fee. A $1 to $2 million dollar a year membership fee per school that will be re-distributed in the Championship tournaments. Similar to the way the NCAA distributes the NCAA men's basketball tournament money. Teams would have no incentive to freeload as only the competitive teams and conferences will be making money from the new governance.

Under those terms a team like Liberty makes the cut but maybe not all of CUSA.

So no. I don't think the cut off to a new effective D2 from D1 is going to be split along BE/A10 and the rest fault lines.

For a new 64 team men's and women's basketball tournaments to exist when the P5 have 12, 14, 14, 16, and 12(and counting) members you still need a 100 or so small conference teams.... maybe 200. If the P5 all have 12 members, you can bet the new requirement for conference membership will be a minimum 12 members. That will reduce the number of auto-bids as schools that don't want to pay for membership leave and conferences re-structure.

So if there is a basketball break away, I think it will be more than just the P5 BE and A10.

Chris Lords, your post is the only post I won't have a snarky reply for, and I will attempt to give a real, honest answer. I don't know why Sitting Bull equates Georgia and Alabama with the NBA when Duke fits that narrative much better, IMO, but oh well.

I am saying that there will be a basketball breakaway. Frank the Tank and I have argued this several times, but from what I saw from Kliavikoff's comments, I can see it coming!!

As I have stated countless times, but will state for the last time here, I firmly believe that all of FBS, the Big East, the A10, and the maybe some teams from the WCC will leave Division 1 to form its own division.

Teams in FCS won't be downgraded to real Division 2, but with a basketball & Olympic sports breakaway, FCS will be a de-facto Division 2, with the real Division 2 being a de-facto Division 3, the real division 3 being a de-facto Division 4, a non-scholarship division. I can see why Sitting Bull would be furious that his Tribe won't be in future NCAA basketball tourneys or future College World Series baseball tourneys. However, according to the Pac 12 commish, the P5 are getting fed up with the dictatorial nature of FCS when it comes to men's basketball and other Olympic sports. The P5 have a different view when it comes to FBS/Big East/A10/WCC Olympic sports, IMO, because they are more realistic probably when it comes to regulations and other matters. I'm thinking hockey is excluded from this, but you never know.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-19-2022 10:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(06-19-2022 10:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

Big East and A-10 will become D2 since they are not interested in football. The schools that left the old Big East to the Big 10 and ACC is because the non-basketball schools kept them expanding on football. So no on A10 and Big East unless all the schools are interested in adding FBS football.

And if there is a provision for the Big East that doesn't mean it will apply to the A10 at all.

I hear on this board how the A10 is a big leap over the MAC but the BE is a light year jump over the A10.

The point is that these schools in the non-football conferences and hybrids conferences that don't sponsor or play football are having votes on football related issues. I am seeing schools shuffling in the FCS levels to try and position themselves for a reason. There are a lot of schools that are interested in FBS right now. If we could do away from hybrid conferences? I think WAC, Big Sky, MVFC, CAA and ASUN all could be in position with the most schools ready for FBS. We might have 15 conferences for FBS, and might see conferences like the old ones like RMAC and Lone Star back at the top level of the NCAAs again as the FCS. The top schools from the D2 conferences are willing to spend more on athletics than the smaller schools that don't have the money to keep up.

Facepalming myself for going down this rabbit hole...I can see some WAC, some Big Sky, some MVFC, some ASUN, and maybe some CAA actually making the cut for the new Division 1. I agree that top Division 2 schools will likely move up. I can see C-USA absorbing a lot of these teams, but it's possibly that there could be a western version of C-USA/MAC eventually.
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(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx
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Quote:The A10 has loaded in with enough good mid major programs to keep it at 2 bids but if you look at their salaries they are below the BE, AAC and MWC.

Saint Louis and Dayton’ salaries are larger than Butler and DePaul’s
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Marquette: $15.0 million
10 Villanova: $14.4
12 Georgetown: $13.6
20 Providence: $11.1
34 St. John's: $10.0
41 Uconn: $9.3
51 Creighton: $8.6
68 Seton Hall: $7.5
72 Saint Louis: $7.4
72 Dayton: $7.4
73 Xavier: $7.4
80 DePaul: $6.8
90 Butler: $5.8
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(06-21-2022 02:18 PM)Ridge1982 Wrote:  Marquette: $15.0 million
10 Villanova: $14.4
12 Georgetown: $13.6
20 Providence: $11.1
34 St. John's: $10.0
41 Uconn: $9.3
51 Creighton: $8.6
68 Seton Hall: $7.5
72 Saint Louis: $7.4
72 Dayton: $7.4
73 Xavier: $7.4
80 DePaul: $6.8
90 Butler: $5.8

What's this list from? It looks to be more full basketball budget as compared to coaching salaries.

For the A10 I'm pretty sure the top 4 salaries are SLU, Dayton, VCU, and now UMass (all are at least $1 million in base per year).
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Basketball budget. Ford and Grant are two of the highest paid coaches in the league.
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Good to see David is spiting out his bull ****...
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(06-20-2022 07:47 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It will be divided by all sports 1A and 1AA. The basketball schools will be 1AA. It will become a FBS/FCS for all sports.

1A/FBS:
AAC + 1 with Wichita State adding football and Navy joins all sports.
ACC 14 + 1 adding Notre Dame football as all sports.
Big 12 12 they could add 4 to go 16.
Big 10 14
C-USA 9
MAC 12
MWC 12
PAC 12
SBC 14 with a possibility they add Chattanooga and Missouri State
SEC 16
Army could join AAC for all sports to get the AAC to 16.
UCONN joins all sports
UMass joins all sports.
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Weber State
Montana
Idaho
Montana State
UCA
North Alabama
Austin Peay State
Kennesaw State
EKU
Delaware
Towson
North Carolina A&T
Stony Brook
New Hampshire
Richmond
Villanova could join the ACC for all sports.
MVFC forms a new FBS conference.
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
Lindenwood could go FBS which they could used the pro stadium that was abandoned.
Fordham
Dayton
University of Saint Thomas
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Western Carolina
McNeese State
Lamar
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Southern U.
Texas Southern
ACU
SFAU
Tarleton State
UTRGV
Utah Tech
Incarnate Word
Wayne State Michigan could used the stadium that the Lions used right now.
Indiapolis could used the Colts' stadium for right now.
West Florida
Angelo State
UTPB
West Texas A&M
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Fort Hays State
West Chester
Colorado Mesa
CSU-Peublo
Rowan

Adding football to join this group.
Fullerton State
Northridge State
Long Beach State
UC-Irvine
UTT
College of Charleston
UC-San Diego
Little Rock
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
UTA
George Mason
George Washington
VCU
Cleveland State
North Florida
FGCU
Green Bay
Milwaukee
Omaha
University of San Francisco
Santa Clara
CSU-San bernardino
San Francisco State
Sonoma State
Chico State
Southern Indiana
UAH
UAFS
Columbus State
North Georgia
Colo-Colorado Springs

I added D2 schools because once that there are playoffs involved in FBS, and that rules changes for schools upgrading from D2 are relaxed and that schools add football and other sports to be part of this. We could see some type of upgrading more schools from D2 from the larger schools to join the 1AA/FCS ranks. Then the FBS schools have can have votes for all sports that are in FBS and the FCS have their own seperate votes for their league of all sports. That way, nobody would get demoted to a lower level in the NCAAs. They only get promoted.

Saying this as a UMass fan you think TV executives have any interest in any team below UConn but don't have interest in the Big East? TV executives probably are interested in a core 20 football/basketball teams, another 10 or 20 football schools that could be good in a given year. But basketball is a different season and the TV we want those schools for this season but we'll pay them at a different rate.


The P5 leadership are complaining about conferences like Big East who do not have the best interests to the schools that do have it. Yes, they will still play them in the other sports like basketball, but they are in their own division where they can be kings there. Big East can be the tv interests at 1AA in basketball while the MVFC gets all the love for their football.
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(06-21-2022 07:33 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx


Here, let me rephrase what I was saying:

SEC
B1G
PAC-12
ACC
Big XII
MWC
AAC } new Div IA for basketball and
SBC Olympic sports
MAC
C-USA
Big East
Atlantic 10
WCC

CAA
Ivy League
Patriot League
Summit League } new Div IB for basketball and Olympic sports
A-Sun
MVC
Big Sky
Big West
etc.

Football stays the same.

Division IA goes to NCAA men's tournament and College world series tournament. Division IB goes to a different NCAA men's tournament (NIT maybe?) and to a different College World Series Tournament.

Now do you understand???
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(06-22-2022 01:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 07:33 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx


Here, let me rephrase what I was saying:

SEC
B1G
PAC-12
ACC
Big XII
MWC
AAC } new Div IA for basketball and
SBC Olympic sports
MAC
C-USA
Big East
Atlantic 10
WCC

CAA
Ivy League
Patriot League
Summit League } new Div IB for basketball and Olympic sports
A-Sun
MVC
Big Sky
Big West
etc.

Football stays the same.

Division IA goes to NCAA men's tournament and College world series tournament. Division IB goes to a different NCAA men's tournament (NIT maybe?) and to a different College World Series Tournament.

Now do you understand???

Now do I understand what, one more ridiculous scenario thrown out by some enlightened poster who tags himself as “Dawgnbama”? Lol. Lighten up a bit.

Seriously, does basketball really need this? I guess it would eliminate the embarrassment of SEC flagship Kentucky getting humiliated by a small school from the MAAC in the 1st round. But that’s why people enjoy the tourney. Do fans really want basketball to turn into the college football model? I don’t think so, particularly given that most of your better players are coming from urban high schools, many Catholic - not the backwoods of Alabama. So the schools they are attracted in many cases are smaller, urban schools (like St. Peter’s).

And these G5 conferences have horrible basketball, most ranked below - at best on par - with the FCS football conferences.

So - I hope not. I think it would be another bad turn for college athletics.
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(06-20-2022 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It will be divided by all sports 1A and 1AA. The basketball schools will be 1AA. It will become a FBS/FCS for all sports.

1A/FBS:
AAC + 1 with Wichita State adding football and Navy joins all sports.
ACC 14 + 1 adding Notre Dame football as all sports.
Big 12 12 they could add 4 to go 16.
Big 10 14
C-USA 9
MAC 12
MWC 12
PAC 12
SBC 14 with a possibility they add Chattanooga and Missouri State
SEC 16
Army could join AAC for all sports to get the AAC to 16.
UCONN joins all sports
UMass joins all sports.
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Weber State
Montana
Idaho
Montana State
UCA
North Alabama
Austin Peay State
Kennesaw State
EKU
Delaware
Towson
North Carolina A&T
Stony Brook
New Hampshire
Richmond
Villanova could join the ACC for all sports.
MVFC forms a new FBS conference.
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
Lindenwood could go FBS which they could used the pro stadium that was abandoned.
Fordham
Dayton
University of Saint Thomas
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Western Carolina
McNeese State
Lamar
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Southern U.
Texas Southern
ACU
SFAU
Tarleton State
UTRGV
Utah Tech
Incarnate Word
Wayne State Michigan could used the stadium that the Lions used right now.
Indiapolis could used the Colts' stadium for right now.
West Florida
Angelo State
UTPB
West Texas A&M
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Fort Hays State
West Chester
Colorado Mesa
CSU-Peublo
Rowan

Adding football to join this group.
Fullerton State
Northridge State
Long Beach State
UC-Irvine
UTT
College of Charleston
UC-San Diego
Little Rock
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
UTA
George Mason
George Washington
VCU
Cleveland State
North Florida
FGCU
Green Bay
Milwaukee
Omaha
University of San Francisco
Santa Clara
CSU-San bernardino
San Francisco State
Sonoma State
Chico State
Southern Indiana
UAH
UAFS
Columbus State
North Georgia
Colo-Colorado Springs

I added D2 schools because once that there are playoffs involved in FBS, and that rules changes for schools upgrading from D2 are relaxed and that schools add football and other sports to be part of this. We could see some type of upgrading more schools from D2 from the larger schools to join the 1AA/FCS ranks. Then the FBS schools have can have votes for all sports that are in FBS and the FCS have their own seperate votes for their league of all sports. That way, nobody would get demoted to a lower level in the NCAAs. They only get promoted.

My eyes rolled up into my head when I read Sacramento St. Stopped reading after that.03-lmfao
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(06-22-2022 08:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 01:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 07:33 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx


Here, let me rephrase what I was saying:

SEC
B1G
PAC-12
ACC
Big XII
MWC
AAC } new Div IA for basketball and
SBC Olympic sports
MAC
C-USA
Big East
Atlantic 10
WCC

CAA
Ivy League
Patriot League
Summit League } new Div IB for basketball and Olympic sports
A-Sun
MVC
Big Sky
Big West
etc.

Football stays the same.

Division IA goes to NCAA men's tournament and College world series tournament. Division IB goes to a different NCAA men's tournament (NIT maybe?) and to a different College World Series Tournament.

Now do you understand???

Now do I understand what, one more ridiculous scenario thrown out by some enlightened poster who tags himself as “Dawgnbama”? Lol. Lighten up a bit.

Seriously, does basketball really need this? I guess it would eliminate the embarrassment of SEC flagship Kentucky getting humiliated by a small school from the MAAC in the 1st round. But that’s why people enjoy the tourney. Do fans really want basketball to turn into the college football model? I don’t think so, particularly given that most of your better players are coming from urban high schools, many Catholic - not the backwoods of Alabama. So the schools they are attracted in many cases are smaller, urban schools (like St. Peter’s).

And these G5 conferences have horrible basketball, most ranked below - at best on par - with the FCS football conferences.

So - I hope not. I think it would be another bad turn for college athletics.

That's what being proposed though.And it's not just flagship school Kentucky either. Try flagship school North Carolina and noted private school Duke as well.
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Not sure how UINDY would pay for using Lucas Oil Stadium. Key Stadium seats 5500. They'd be better off going to Center Grove HS which seats 8,000.

IHSAA and the PeyBack high school games are paid for by the Colts.
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(06-22-2022 08:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 01:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 07:33 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx


Here, let me rephrase what I was saying:

SEC
B1G
PAC-12
ACC
Big XII
MWC
AAC } new Div IA for basketball and
SBC Olympic sports
MAC
C-USA
Big East
Atlantic 10
WCC

CAA
Ivy League
Patriot League
Summit League } new Div IB for basketball and Olympic sports
A-Sun
MVC
Big Sky
Big West
etc.

Football stays the same.

Division IA goes to NCAA men's tournament and College world series tournament. Division IB goes to a different NCAA men's tournament (NIT maybe?) and to a different College World Series Tournament.

Now do you understand???

Now do I understand what, one more ridiculous scenario thrown out by some enlightened poster who tags himself as “Dawgnbama”? Lol. Lighten up a bit.

Seriously, does basketball really need this? I guess it would eliminate the embarrassment of SEC flagship Kentucky getting humiliated by a small school from the MAAC in the 1st round. But that’s why people enjoy the tourney. Do fans really want basketball to turn into the college football model? I don’t think so, particularly given that most of your better players are coming from urban high schools, many Catholic - not the backwoods of Alabama. So the schools they are attracted in many cases are smaller, urban schools (like St. Peter’s).

And these G5 conferences have horrible basketball, most ranked below - at best on par - with the FCS football conferences.

So - I hope not. I think it would be another bad turn for college athletics.

Part of the reason the G5 has slumped in basketball is the addition of so many D1 teams, some of which have a value case that is equal to lower tier G5 programs.

If there is a "split" of FBS into its own divisional structure that would change recruiting.

SEC
ACC
B1G
XII
PAC
BE (w/FB)
AAC (w/SLU, Dayton)
MWC (w/Gonzaga)
SBC
MAC/CUSA (w/Missouri St)

That at roughly 150 schools about all you would need IMO.
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(06-21-2022 02:18 PM)Ridge1982 Wrote:  Marquette: $15.0 million
10 Villanova: $14.4
12 Georgetown: $13.6

We have been getting a terrible return on our investment.

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(06-22-2022 11:34 AM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Not sure how UINDY would pay for using Lucas Oil Stadium. Key Stadium seats 5500. They'd be better off going to Center Grove HS which seats 8,000.

IHSAA and the PeyBack high school games are paid for by the Colts.

For one, pro teams could do like an NIL for schools in their town to help promote them. Tennessee State is already playing in a pro stadium.
UMass at the Gillett.
North Florida could in Jacksonville.
University of Tampa at Tampa Bay etc.
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Why would a pro team pay for players they cant make money off of? Their purpose is to make money not be a charity.
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Side note, looks like the DI Transformation Committee is now digging into this stuff:

Quote:June 7

Overview of current Division I membership standards.

• The NCAA Division I Board of Directors charged the Transformation Committee with reviewing a model for new (or enhanced) membership obligations/requirements, including the appropriateness of a new subdivision, division or even differently defined categories of institutions (e.g., groups, leagues, consortiums).

• The Transformation Committee began its review with a summary of the current legislated membership requirements.

• The committee requested historical information related to the evolution of membership requirements and data related to current sports sponsorship levels and financial aid minimums for review during its next meeting

May17-June7Minutes.pdf
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