(06-10-2022 03:16 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: Kind of a crazy stat, but when we leave the American it will have been our 3rd longest run in a conference in our ~140 year history.
1. OAC 1910-1925 - 15 years
2. MVC 1957-1969 - 12 years
3. American 2012-2023 - 11 years
4. BAC 1926-1935 - 9 years
5. C-USA 1996-2004 - 8 years
6. Big East 2005-2012 - 7 years
7. MAC 1947-1952 - 5 years
8. Big-12 2023-TBD - 0 years
Independent - for 4 different stretches - ~62 years
You’re leaving out the Metro and the Great Midwest
Not for football.
My bad. Should’ve picked up on that when he mentioned Independent
(06-10-2022 03:16 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: Kind of a crazy stat, but when we leave the American it will have been our 3rd longest run in a conference in our ~140 year history.
1. OAC 1910-1925 - 15 years
2. MVC 1957-1969 - 12 years
3. American 2012-2023 - 11 years
4. BAC 1926-1935 - 9 years
5. C-USA 1996-2004 - 8 years
6. Big East 2005-2012 - 7 years
7. MAC 1947-1952 - 5 years
8. Big-12 2023-TBD - 0 years
Independent - for 4 different stretches - ~62 years
It was still the Big East until 2014. The 2012 Big East still had Everyone but WVU and the 2013 Big East still had Rutgers, Louisville and Syracuse.
Technically shouldn't it all count together since the BE was never dissolved, just renamed? The new BE is technically the new conference
(06-10-2022 03:16 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: Kind of a crazy stat, but when we leave the American it will have been our 3rd longest run in a conference in our ~140 year history.
1. OAC 1910-1925 - 15 years
2. MVC 1957-1969 - 12 years
3. American 2012-2023 - 11 years
4. BAC 1926-1935 - 9 years
5. C-USA 1996-2004 - 8 years
6. Big East 2005-2012 - 7 years
7. MAC 1947-1952 - 5 years
8. Big-12 2023-TBD - 0 years
Independent - for 4 different stretches - ~62 years
It was still the Big East until 2014. The 2012 Big East still had Everyone but WVU and the 2013 Big East still had Rutgers, Louisville and Syracuse.
Technically shouldn't it all count together since the BE was never dissolved, just renamed? The new BE is technically the new conference
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Yeah, I see what you are saying. For me, the last year of the BE was in 2013 when Louisville, Rutgers and the C7 schools left. The basketball schools started up their BE conference in 2014.
(06-10-2022 03:16 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: Kind of a crazy stat, but when we leave the American it will have been our 3rd longest run in a conference in our ~140 year history.
1. OAC 1910-1925 - 15 years
2. MVC 1957-1969 - 12 years
3. American 2012-2023 - 11 years
4. BAC 1926-1935 - 9 years
5. C-USA 1996-2004 - 8 years
6. Big East 2005-2012 - 7 years
7. MAC 1947-1952 - 5 years
8. Big-12 2023-TBD - 0 years
Independent - for 4 different stretches - ~62 years
It was still the Big East until 2014. The 2012 Big East still had Everyone but WVU and the 2013 Big East still had Rutgers, Louisville and Syracuse.
My bad, I pulled that data from wikipedia, so you might want to take the rest of the data with a grain of salt.
(06-11-2022 11:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Wonder how much interest UC will conservatively bank with those funds in hand over the 14 years period?
We'll get some, but it's a front-loaded deal where we pay around $9-$10M in the first 3 years. The specific details are still hazy but I've seen a report that we've already paid $2.5M.
(06-11-2022 11:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Wonder how much interest UC will conservatively bank with those funds in hand over the 14 years period?
We'll get some, but it's a front-loaded deal where we pay around $9-$10M in the first 3 years. The specific details are still hazy but I've seen a report that we've already paid $2.5M.
It's front loaded in the sense that the liquidated damages (the 10 million) that we had to pay no matter what needs to be paid in the first 4 years. The 8 million for leaving early isn't front loaded at all
(06-11-2022 11:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: Wonder how much interest UC will conservatively bank with those funds in hand over the 14 years period?
We'll get some, but it's a front-loaded deal where we pay around $9-$10M in the first 3 years. The specific details are still hazy but I've seen a report that we've already paid $2.5M.
It's front loaded in the sense that the liquidated damages (the 10 million) that we had to pay no matter what needs to be paid in the first 4 years. The 8 million for leaving early isn't front loaded at all
As far as the numbers and timing goes, the ones you used were in the Enquirer. Per the Athletic, it's $10M prior to 2025 and $8M over 12 years starting in 2025. And I heard Chad say last night it was $9M over the first 3 years and the rest spread out iirc. Maybe they are all assuming different starting dates.
Whichever is correct, the $18M is a front-loaded deal. Per the comment I was replying to, the point is you don't bank as much interest in the earlier payments as you do in the later ones and the deal is weighted heavily to the earlier ones.
I still think for our first game as a B12 member having the AAC mascots on the field and the the Bearcat leading a charge with the B12 mascots to drive the AAC mascots out of the stadium is a great freaking idea.
(06-10-2022 03:16 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: Kind of a crazy stat, but when we leave the American it will have been our 3rd longest run in a conference in our ~140 year history.
1. OAC 1910-1925 - 15 years
2. MVC 1957-1969 - 12 years
3. American 2012-2023 - 11 years
4. BAC 1926-1935 - 9 years
5. C-USA 1996-2004 - 8 years
6. Big East 2005-2012 - 7 years
7. MAC 1947-1952 - 5 years
8. Big-12 2023-TBD - 0 years
Independent - for 4 different stretches - ~62 years
It was still the Big East until 2014. The 2012 Big East still had Everyone but WVU and the 2013 Big East still had Rutgers, Louisville and Syracuse.
My bad, I pulled that data from wikipedia, so you might want to take the rest of the data with a grain of salt.
The rest are right, it just depends on how you define the end of the Big East and start of the AAC.
We’ve been conference nomads, unable to find a perfect home. People who root for a school that has been in the same conference for 100 years don’t realize how it’s been for schools like UC. That being said, I think it gives fans wisdom. Fans of schools that have been in basically 1-2 conferences forever don’t have a good grasp on the rest of the teams outside their conference.
(06-12-2022 11:37 AM)Lush Wrote: it can't get any worse than the big 12 from here on out, right?
The multi-million dollar question is just how "good" the Big XII is going to be from here out.
If...and I think the chances are good for this to happen...the Big XII can keep it's members, then I think the Big XII has the potential to be VERY GOOD going forward. Adding BYU is gigantic; BYU is a national brand and a historically "Big Name." BYU won't undo the loss of Texas and Oklahoma, but they bring a star power that at least stops the bleeding. UC brings the "hot hand" to the Conference; again, we don't "make up" for the loss of Oklahoma (in particular), but remember: Oklahoma just got worked over by losing their coach and several star players to USC...OU isn't going to be "OU" going forward. UC NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE DOMINANT. Add that to established programs like Oklahoma State and Baylor and UCF, and you have a solid base of competition that should, at the least, keep the B12 in the CFP discussion every year going forward.
But if the B12 loses OSU, Baylor and some others going forward...even Kansas, especially in Basketball...and the B12 will be better than the AAC but short of the other "Power" programs. A GoR would be a really good thing in this case; the B12 needs some stability--and it wouldn't be a bad thing for the PAC to fall apart--to get its feet underneath itself.
The B12 has "good bones" but needs to get some flesh on it.
Would like the initial game to be vs. Iowa State. Don’t want to play the Cyclones in late November. Last conference game each year should be either WVU or UCF.
(06-11-2022 02:28 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I still think for our first game as a B12 member having the AAC mascots on the field and the the Bearcat leading a charge with the B12 mascots to drive the AAC mascots out of the stadium is a great freaking idea.
I don't get the ill will to the AAC. I'm glad we're moving on, but overall it was good for us and we were great for them. I wish them well.
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