(05-24-2022 10:22 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.

Regardless of what broke the streak, the fact that it has been broken makes me feel less passionate about it needing to happen every year moving forward. If for some reason, UofSC doesn't want it to continue to be an annual game due to having nine conference games on the schedule, then I would be fine with that. However, I'm only fine with it because the streak was broken.

USC Jr has always dragged down our strength of schedule anyway

(05-26-2022 03:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).

As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.

This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.

4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.

So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.

So a 3+4+1+1? Lol

That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.

3+4+1

So 8 games total. That is the main attraction to the model.

I would also be surprised if the SEC went this route. But I think they will do everything possible to keep scheduling at 8 games. 7 Home games a year is almost sacred in the SEC and you can't do that with 5 away games every other year. Or it would be very difficult any ways.

(05-26-2022 12:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  So 8 games total. That is the main attraction to the model.

I would also be surprised if the SEC went this route. But I think they will do everything possible to keep scheduling at 8 games. 7 Home games a year is almost sacred in the SEC and you can't do that with 5 away games every other year. Or it would be very difficult any ways.

Difficult but not impossible. I've checked back since 2015 for Iowa not counting the pandemic year. In odd years they play five Big Ten home games and Iowa State on the road. In even years they play five Big Ten road games and Iowa State at home. Either way, they've still had seven home games each non pandemic year. It certainly can be done, for say Clemson, schedule South Carolina in Columbia the years they have five ACC home games. On the other hand, you've now committed to five road games every year. Iowa has no P5 games other than Iowa State until at least 2025 since any other one would require a sixth road game.

Maybe if the networks give enough money to the conferences it will allow schools to give up the 7th home game. OK, now I'm in fantasy land.

(05-26-2022 03:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).

As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.

This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.

4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.

So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.

So a 3+4+1+1? Lol

That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.

As an SEC fan, the 3+4+1 would also be my vote. Seeing certain SEC teams every third year is sufficient; every second year is unnecessary.

ESPN is certainly looking for greater control of SEC/ACC schedules. Allowing ESPN to control that 8th game may allow the SEC to get decent money without creating a 9th game.

(05-26-2022 12:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2022 03:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).

As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.

This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.

4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.

So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.

So a 3+4+1+1? Lol

That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.

3+4+1

So 8 games total. That is the main attraction to the model.

I would also be surprised if the SEC went this route. But I think they will do everything possible to keep scheduling at 8 games. 7 Home games a year is almost sacred in the SEC and you can't do that with 5 away games every other year. Or it would be very difficult any ways.

And in the seven normal years since 2014, the 14 SEC teams have averaged about 30 OOC games a year against either CUSA, Sunbelt or FCS teams, padding their W-L records in the process. Going to a 9 game league schedule will likely make it difficult to maintain that while keeping their annual ACC rivalry games. If the four affected schools get their away game in the rivalry in the years when they only have four away league games means they only have room for their buy games. So, lucrative made for TV games like Georgia-Notre Dame might be victims.

(05-26-2022 07:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2022 12:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2022 03:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).

As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.

This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.

4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.

So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.

So a 3+4+1+1? Lol

That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.

3+4+1

So 8 games total. That is the main attraction to the model.

I would also be surprised if the SEC went this route. But I think they will do everything possible to keep scheduling at 8 games. 7 Home games a year is almost sacred in the SEC and you can't do that with 5 away games every other year. Or it would be very difficult any ways.

And in the seven normal years since 2014, the 14 SEC teams have averaged about 30 OOC games a year against either CUSA, Sunbelt or FCS teams, padding their W_L records in the process. Going to a 9 game league schedule will likely make it difficult to maintain that while keeping their annual ACC rivalry games. If the four affected schools get their away game in the rivalry in the years when they only have four away league games means they only have room for their buy games. So, lucrative made for TV games like Georgia-Notre Dame might be victims.

Was ESPN smart enough to write something about that into the SEC contract? Do they even care?

As packer says: “The SEC, it just costs more.”

If 9-games makes them more money, they’ll do it.

I posted this in the SEC forum, but didn't get too much traction over there, but I think the SEC should want 5 protected rivalries and can still have scheduling flexibility with the number of games they would desire to play for their conference schedule.

8 games or 9 games w/ CCG semis:
- 4 rivals annually + 1 rival H&H every 3 years
- everyone else H&H every 6 years min.
- for CCG semis, 1-4 and 2-3 matched up in their 9th conference game, everyone else grouped 5-8, 9-12, 13-16 or 5-10, 11-16 and then matched up within groups to avoid rematches for their 9th conference game

9 games or 10 games w/ CCG semis:
- 5 rivals annually
- everyone else H&H every 5 years min.
- for CCG semis, same as above in 10th game

10 games:
- 5 rivals annually
- everyone else H&H every 4 years

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.

1. Dellenger couldn't be more wrong if he tried! There is not a stark divide of haves and have nots in the SEC. 13 of our 14 members were in the top 33 in the nation in revenue last year. 12 were top 28. Only Missouri was 49th and Miss State was 650,000 dollars short of having 13 of 14 schools making over 100 million.

2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

3. These alleged issues are just softball lobs for beat writers to swing at in order to drive interest and discussion of the conference when nothing is going on publicly and when what is being hashed out privately has nothing to do with scheduling. In short it is a publicity driving misdirection. Expansion and breakaway are likely the offseason topic, and not just in the SEC meetings. Monetizing hoops is an agenda, especially if we wind up paying all athletes. Maximizing revenue whether by consolidation via expansion, adding conference semi-finals, or by CFP expansion could easily be topics which until there is a consensus will fly undercover while beat writers dwell on leaks which are about resolved issues.

4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.

I guess I would define a have not in terms of lack of on field success, which would put the game chickens firmly in that category. All of their crowing about the SEC has not helped them against their big brother, aside from a few anomalous data points in the Spurrier era.

(05-28-2022 03:26 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.

1. Dellenger couldn't be more wrong if he tried! There is not a stark divide of haves and have nots in the SEC. 13 of our 14 members were in the top 33 in the nation in revenue last year. 12 were top 28. Only Missouri was 49th and Miss State was 650,000 dollars short of having 13 of 14 schools making over 100 million.

2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

3. These alleged issues are just softball lobs for beat writers to swing at in order to drive interest and discussion of the conference when nothing is going on publicly and when what is being hashed out privately has nothing to do with scheduling. In short it is a publicity driving misdirection. Expansion and breakaway are likely the offseason topic, and not just in the SEC meetings. Monetizing hoops is an agenda, especially if we wind up paying all athletes. Maximizing revenue whether by consolidation via expansion, adding conference semi-finals, or by CFP expansion could easily be topics which until there is a consensus will fly undercover while beat writers dwell on leaks which are about resolved issues.

4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.

I guess I would define a have not in terms of lack of on field success, which would put the game chickens firmly in that category. All of their crowing about the SEC has not helped them against their big brother, aside from a few anomalous data points in the Spurrier era.

Spurrier was a once in a generation type coach.

(05-28-2022 05:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-28-2022 03:26 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.

1. Dellenger couldn't be more wrong if he tried! There is not a stark divide of haves and have nots in the SEC. 13 of our 14 members were in the top 33 in the nation in revenue last year. 12 were top 28. Only Missouri was 49th and Miss State was 650,000 dollars short of having 13 of 14 schools making over 100 million.

2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.

3. These alleged issues are just softball lobs for beat writers to swing at in order to drive interest and discussion of the conference when nothing is going on publicly and when what is being hashed out privately has nothing to do with scheduling. In short it is a publicity driving misdirection. Expansion and breakaway are likely the offseason topic, and not just in the SEC meetings. Monetizing hoops is an agenda, especially if we wind up paying all athletes. Maximizing revenue whether by consolidation via expansion, adding conference semi-finals, or by CFP expansion could easily be topics which until there is a consensus will fly undercover while beat writers dwell on leaks which are about resolved issues.

4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.

I guess I would define a have not in terms of lack of on field success, which would put the game chickens firmly in that category. All of their crowing about the SEC has not helped them against their big brother, aside from a few anomalous data points in the Spurrier era.

Spurrier was a once in a generation type coach.

He won at Duke of course he could win in S. Carolina. He was from E. Tennessee, Johnson City I think, and played at Florida. He knew the area and the High School coaches. I liked his arrogant attitude as it fit the chip on his shoulder and I loved that he never apologized for a truthful statement. Young Beamer illustrates what U.S.C. really is, a place to prove yourself on the way to something bigger.

Quote:Steve Spurrier was born in Miami Beach
— wiki

HIGH TIDE

(05-26-2022 07:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-26-2022 12:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2022 03:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).

As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.

This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.

4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.

So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.

So a 3+4+1+1? Lol

That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.

3+4+1

So 8 games total. That is the main attraction to the model.

I would also be surprised if the SEC went this route. But I think they will do everything possible to keep scheduling at 8 games. 7 Home games a year is almost sacred in the SEC and you can't do that with 5 away games every other year. Or it would be very difficult any ways.

And in the seven normal years since 2014, the 14 SEC teams have averaged about 30 OOC games a year against either CUSA, Sunbelt or FCS teams, padding their W_L records in the process. Going to a 9 game league schedule will likely make it difficult to maintain that while keeping their annual ACC rivalry games. If the four affected schools get their away game in the rivalry in the years when they only have four away league games means they only have room for their buy games. So, lucrative made for TV games like Georgia-Notre Dame might be victims.

Also, they'll never have 8 home games a year, which happens some times.

Even though you could compensate the school for lost revenue of a home game with greater media money, the economic impact on the town and region would be immense. Tens of Millions of dollars lost; of money that would have been brought into the area to see the games. If they consider that, they shouldn't go to 9 conference games.