Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
(05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
Prior to 2020, I would be very angry if the Clemson v UofSC game was not played annually. However, once the SEC declined to play those ACC v SEC games in 2020 and broke the 111 year streak of the Palmetto Bowl, I am perfectly fine with playing UofSC less often. My preference would be to play them home and home for two years, then play Georgia home and home for two years, then UofSC again for two years, and so on.
(05-24-2022 01:58 PM)Schema Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
Prior to 2020, I would be very angry if the Clemson v UofSC game was not played annually. However, once the SEC declined to play those ACC v SEC games in 2020 and broke the 111 year streak of the Palmetto Bowl, I am perfectly fine with playing UofSC less often. My preference would be to play them home and home for two years, then play Georgia home and home for two years, then UofSC again for two years, and so on.
I hear you loud and clear!
(05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
1. Dellenger couldn't be more wrong if he tried! There is not a stark divide of haves and have nots in the SEC. 13 of our 14 members were in the top 33 in the nation in revenue last year. 12 were top 28. Only Missouri was 49th and Miss State was 650,000 dollars short of having 13 of 14 schools making over 100 million.
2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.
3. These alleged issues are just softball lobs for beat writers to swing at in order to drive interest and discussion of the conference when nothing is going on publicly and when what is being hashed out privately has nothing to do with scheduling. In short it is a publicity driving misdirection. Expansion and breakaway are likely the offseason topic, and not just in the SEC meetings. Monetizing hoops is an agenda, especially if we wind up paying all athletes. Maximizing revenue whether by consolidation via expansion, adding conference semi-finals, or by CFP expansion could easily be topics which until there is a consensus will fly undercover while beat writers dwell on leaks which are about resolved issues.
4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.
(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
1. Dellenger couldn't be more wrong if he tried! There is not a stark divide of haves and have nots in the SEC. 13 of our 14 members were in the top 33 in the nation in revenue last year. 12 were top 28. Only Missouri was 49th and Miss State was 650,000 dollars short of having 13 of 14 schools making over 100 million.
2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.
3. These alleged issues are just softball lobs for beat writers to swing at in order to drive interest and discussion of the conference when nothing is going on publicly and when what is being hashed out privately has nothing to do with scheduling. In short it is a publicity driving misdirection. Expansion and breakaway are likely the offseason topic, and not just in the SEC meetings. Monetizing hoops is an agenda, especially if we wind up paying all athletes. Maximizing revenue whether by consolidation via expansion, adding conference semi-finals, or by CFP expansion could easily be topics which until there is a consensus will fly undercover while beat writers dwell on leaks which are about resolved issues.
4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.
Yeah, Clemson says they feel obligated to play an in-state FCS every year; no way they don't play the in-state P5 team!
(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]4. Covid and keeping all revenue in house is what broke the rivalry streak. All of those schools base ticket priorities on donations received in order primarily to get tickets for those games. They aren't in danger. But if Clemson broke the deal with South Carolina they would find that Georgia, Auburn and Alabama would refuse them series. So I don't see that happening. Expect to see the SEC move to 9 conference games under its new contract. This will become the norm, unless, or until, the breakaway happens.
Regardless of what broke the streak, the fact that it has been broken makes me feel less passionate about it needing to happen every year moving forward. If for some reason, UofSC doesn't want it to continue to be an annual game due to having nine conference games on the schedule, then I would be fine with that. However, I'm only fine with it because the streak was broken.
I honestly don't care if we ever play Kentucky in anything ever again. That game is too toxic for me.
I would rather Louisville start scheduling more nationally. Do home and homes with the likes of Maryland, Minnesota, TCU, UCLA, etc. instead.
Louisville is building a California recruiting pipeline, so I wouldn't mind seeing more UCLA and California. I doubt we'd ever get USC or Stanford on the schedule though.
Moving to 9 conference games (likely 3 annual + 6 rotating) seems inevitable for the SEC. It’s just too much money to leave at the table once OU and UT joins.
IMO, one OOC game against an ACC program will become routine for many SEC schools. The issue is that SC and UGa won’t have flexibility to play two OOC P5 games. SC and UF would obviously prefer playing their in-state rivals…it’s UGa and UK that are wild cards.
The top brands want scheduling agreements a decade in advance, but TV will demand more flexibility in scheduling. It will be harder for Clemson to find a second annual SEC opponent. It will also be harder for Notre Dame to schedule.
(05-25-2022 10:27 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]Moving to 9 conference games (likely 3 annual + 6 rotating) seems inevitable for the SEC. It’s just too much money to leave at the table once OU and UT joins.
IMO, one OOC game against an ACC program will become routine for many SEC schools. The issue is that SC and UGa won’t have flexibility to play two OOC P5 games. SC and UF would obviously prefer playing their in-state rivals…it’s UGa and UK that are wild cards.
The top brands want scheduling agreements a decade in advance, but TV will demand more flexibility in scheduling. It will be harder for Clemson to find a second annual SEC opponent. It will also be harder for Notre Dame to schedule.
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(05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.
Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).
As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.
This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.
It would be interesting to know how much of the SEC increase is actually attributed to the 9th conference game. It might be helpful to know when the ACC starts to renegotiate.
(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.
why ...
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(05-25-2022 11:50 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]It would be interesting to know how much of the SEC increase is actually attributed to the 9th conference game. It might be helpful to know when the ACC starts to renegotiate.
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(05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.
Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).
As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.
This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.
4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.
So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.
(05-25-2022 10:27 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: [ -> ]Moving to 9 conference games (likely 3 annual + 6 rotating) seems inevitable for the SEC. It’s just too much money to leave at the table once OU and UT joins.
IMO, one OOC game against an ACC program will become routine for many SEC schools. The issue is that SC and UGa won’t have flexibility to play two OOC P5 games. SC and UF would obviously prefer playing their in-state rivals…it’s UGa and UK that are wild cards.
The top brands want scheduling agreements a decade in advance, but TV will demand more flexibility in scheduling. It will be harder for Clemson to find a second annual SEC opponent. It will also be harder for Notre Dame to schedule.
I don't know about UK and SC but, considering their planned OOC schedules from 2026 on, UGa and UF probably wouldn't mind playing 2 OOC P games on top of 9 SEC ones. (Well, assuming the CFP expands to 12 by 2026.) Prior to the announcement of OU and UT to the SEC, both UGa and UF scheduled 3 OOC Ps for multiple future seasons. Heck, UF scheduled 4 OOC Ps for 2031. One of them is Texas, so they could still play all of them if the SEC adds a ninth game. (Florida's AD's scheduling philosophy is "eleven meaningful games" He went above and beyond there.
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hopefully, my alma mater has the stones to regularly play my school since childhood ...
a rivalry predating fsu’s ...
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(05-24-2022 02:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 01:58 PM)Schema Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
Prior to 2020, I would be very angry if the Clemson v UofSC game was not played annually. However, once the SEC declined to play those ACC v SEC games in 2020 and broke the 111 year streak of the Palmetto Bowl, I am perfectly fine with playing UofSC less often. My preference would be to play them home and home for two years, then play Georgia home and home for two years, then UofSC again for two years, and so on.
I hear you loud and clear!
That's the one ACC/SEC series that clearly the SEC school is currently the underdog and benefits more from playing. By contrast, Georgia Tech is the underdog vs. Georgia and they'd want to continue playing UGa way more than the other way around.
It would be sad to see these in state games go by the wayside even though I am a supporter of 9 game conference schedules in both the ACC and SEC. Why can't we have it all? Who needs FCS cupcake games? Or realign so all these games are conference games and we won't have to worry about 9 conference games and a non conference in state game. Remember I'm trying to get Penn State/Pittsburgh annually as well.
(05-24-2022 01:58 PM)Schema Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 01:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Could this impact any of the 4 ACC/SEC annual rivalry games? We'll have to wait and see.
Prior to 2020, I would be very angry if the Clemson v UofSC game was not played annually. However, once the SEC declined to play those ACC v SEC games in 2020 and broke the 111 year streak of the Palmetto Bowl, I am perfectly fine with playing UofSC less often. My preference would be to play them home and home for two years, then play Georgia home and home for two years, then UofSC again for two years, and so on.
In defense of South Carolina, I believe both the president and the AD wanted Clemson on the schedule for 2020. It was none other than the SEC front office that told them no. Curiously enough, South Carolina was the only one that was willing to play its regular OOC opponent Clemson during the pandemic. UGa did no such thing for Georgia Tech, Florida did no such thing for Florida State, and Kentucky did nothing as well. I'm actually quite impressed by what the Gamecocks did. So, by wanting to play other SEC teams, you are just enabling the SEC front office, IMO. I believe cooler heads will prevail, and the Palmetto Bowl series will continue.
(05-25-2022 01:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2022 11:29 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2022 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]2. The SEC will go with rotating pods (half divisions). This was hashed out at the time of the OU & UT talks. The only debate remaining might be about which 3 rivals to have in your 1/2 division.
Surface level, this doesn't seem any different than 9 (3+6).
As far as rivalry talk, I don't see the need for the SEC teams with ACC rivals to have more than two OOC games outside of the ACC opponent. One cupcake before rivalry week and maybe either a big game or cupcake at the beginning of the season. The conference is varied enough to where fans (TV) should be happy with the diversity of conference opponents.
This only affects Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina anyway. I bet Oklahoma-Oklahoma State gets dropped to maybe four times a decade or less.
4 4-team pods means you pair them up and play 7 games for Pods A+B A+C A+D B+C B+D and C+D. That leaves 1 extra game to rotate around the pods you're not paired up with at that time to protect one permanent rival.
So it's not a 3-6 where you play everyone every other year. You play everyone every 3 years.
So a 3+4+1+1? Lol
That seems like an unnecessary scheduling nightmare. That whole pod thing was floated before the divisionless model was approved. The SEC will not be implementing divisions while the rest of the P5 is ditching them.