(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Never ending, please remind us again how great you are.
Said your goodbyes move on to the SBC board

Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Never ending, please remind us again how great you are.
Said your goodbyes move on to the SBC board

Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Never ending, please remind us again how great you are.
Said your goodbyes move on to the SBC board

Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

(05-23-2022 10:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Never ending, please remind us again how great you are.
Said your goodbyes move on to the SBC board

Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

Like not honoring a signed contract? ODU and Marshall know all about weaseling out of their commitments

(05-23-2022 11:02 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 10:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

Like not honoring a signed contract? ODU and Marshall know all about weaseling out of their commitments

Not at all like that. More like being an obnoxious troll on the internet.

(05-23-2022 11:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:02 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 10:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

Like not honoring a signed contract? ODU and Marshall know all about weaseling out of their commitments

Not at all like that. More like being an obnoxious troll on the internet.

Is that why you are here?

Don’t come back until you have proof of the 400% increase in the ESPN/Sunbelt media contract.

Until then, go troll it up in fantasy land (aka Sunbelt Board)

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Just like the MAC you will not be missed. Whiniest fan base on the planet. You belong with ULL

(05-23-2022 10:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:03 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Never ending, please remind us again how great you are.
Said your goodbyes move on to the SBC board

Didn’t you hear they almost beat App State last year and only lost by 25 to WKU.

I certainly wouldn’t put Marshall ahead of WKU or La Tech. Overall both have better athletic programs than Marshall

You all should concentrate on beating Eastern Kentucky before you start worrying about Western Kentucky

We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

From the guy who made a dick move? Would you not expect one in return? If your going to troll expect to catch a reply. Be happy our mods dont block everyone not pro CUSA like the SBC board does.

WKU didnt leave but didnt ODU leave for easier pastures? Run along to the SBC board.

(05-23-2022 11:19 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:02 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 10:08 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 09:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  We did run toward WKU while ODU ran from WKU. Some folks want to go the hard route some folks give up and go the easy route.

Uh huh. And WKU tried to run from you but I don’t think it was because they were scared of the competition.

Why are you guys even posting on this thread? Kind of a dick move.

Like not honoring a signed contract? ODU and Marshall know all about weaseling out of their commitments

Not at all like that. More like being an obnoxious troll on the internet.

Is that why you are here?

Don’t come back until you have proof of the 400% increase in the ESPN/Sunbelt media contract.

Until then, go troll it up in fantasy land (aka Sunbelt Board)

I’m here because my school is actually competing in this conference, why are you here? Come back in the summer of 2023. Or at least stick to the threads pertaining to the future of CUSA. You’ve been a member here for 3 months and spent one of those banned and you think this is the thread that needed your input?

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

They won the conference once in the last decade in 2014. WKU, FAU and UAB have each won it twice so not quite, please head back to the slumbelt.

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

edit: the link you used was only till 2021 and while Western played in the SBC for 2 of the last 10 Western's SOS for those 2 years were better than Marshalls

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.


That should make Jax St and Sam Houston fans feel a lot better about where their futures might be.

Tech had 73 wins
Middle 66 wins

I clicked on the link with the Wins in CUSA:


Football:
Marshall 68-34 (66.67%)
Louisiana Tech 61-41 (59.8%)
Western Kentucky 54-37 (59.34%)
UAB 42-32 (56.76%)
MTSU (51-48 (51.52%)
FAU 47-50 (48.45%)
North Texas 45-54 (45.45%)
Southern Miss 44-54 (44.9%)
ODU 31-42 (42.47%)
UTSA 40-56 (41.67%)
FIU 37-55 (40.22%)
Rice 34-59 (36.56%)
Charlotte 21-46 (31.34%)
UTEP 23-70 (24.73%)

Basketball:
LA Tech 185-82 (69.29%)
ODU 168-94 (64.12%)
UAB 162-100 (61.83%)
WKU 141-88 (61.57%)
MTSU 148-111 (57.14%)
Marshall 139-121 (53.46%)
UTEP 127-121 (51.21%)
North Texas 128-126 (50.39%)
FIU 113-138 (45.02%)
Southern Miss 108-140 (43.55%)
UTSA 106-144 (42.40%)
Rice 104-148 (41.27%)
Charlotte 97-141 (40.76%)
FAU 96-147 (39.51%)

Baseball
Southern Miss 298-143 (67.57%)
FAU 270-155 (63.53%)
Louisiana Tech 233-166 (58.4%)
Old Dominion 238-178 (57.21%)
Rice 227-204 (52.67%)
UTSA 206-200 (50.74%)
FIU 204-203 (50.12%)
Charlotte 198-200 (49.75%)
UAB 186-218 (46.04%)
Middle Tennessee 183-223 (45.07%)
WKU 148-192 (43.53%)
Marshall 161-217 (42.59%)


Guess who was dead last in Baseball? Marshall
Guess who was dead last in Basketball? FAU

Guess who was consistently at top of all 3 major sports? La Tech

Like I said I would take La Tech and WKU over Marshall any day of the week. And it’s not even close who has better overall athletic program

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one.

I can name that team in 8 years.

Congrats to Marshall on 80 wins while in CUSA, I hope you're as successful the next 10 other than a couple weekends a year.

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

edit: the link you used was only till 2021 and while Western played in the SBC for 2 of the last 10 Western's SOS for those 2 years were better than Marshalls

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.


That should make Jax St and Sam Houston fans feel a lot better about where their futures might be.

Tech had 73 wins
Middle 66 wins

Good point, and yeah it does. It’s not likes the 90’s when it was tough for FCS or AA to move as a independent with no conference. No way Coastal or App State would have their kind of success back then. They have had the Sunbelt conference to pad their wins.

(05-23-2022 12:38 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  I clicked on the link with the Wins in CUSA:


Football:
Marshall 68-34 (66.67%)
Louisiana Tech 61-41 (59.8%)
Western Kentucky 54-37 (59.34%)
UAB 42-32 (56.76%)
MTSU (51-48 (51.52%)
FAU 47-50 (48.45%)
North Texas 45-54 (45.45%)
Southern Miss 44-54 (44.9%)
ODU 31-42 (42.47%)
UTSA 40-56 (41.67%)
FIU 37-55 (40.22%)
Rice 34-59 (36.56%)
Charlotte 21-46 (31.34%)
UTEP 23-70 (24.73%)

Basketball:
LA Tech 185-82 (69.29%)
ODU 168-94 (64.12%)
UAB 162-100 (61.83%)
WKU 141-88 (61.57%)
MTSU 148-111 (57.14%)
Marshall 139-121 (53.46%)
UTEP 127-121 (51.21%)
North Texas 128-126 (50.39%)
FIU 113-138 (45.02%)
Southern Miss 108-140 (43.55%)
UTSA 106-144 (42.40%)
Rice 104-148 (41.27%)
Charlotte 97-141 (40.76%)
FAU 96-147 (39.51%)

Baseball
Southern Miss 298-143 (67.57%)
FAU 270-155 (63.53%)
Louisiana Tech 233-166 (58.4%)
Old Dominion 238-178 (57.21%)
Rice 227-204 (52.67%)
UTSA 206-200 (50.74%)
FIU 204-203 (50.12%)
Charlotte 198-200 (49.75%)
UAB 186-218 (46.04%)
Middle Tennessee 183-223 (45.07%)
WKU 148-192 (43.53%)
Marshall 161-217 (42.59%)


Guess who was dead last in Baseball? Marshall
Guess who was dead last in Basketball? FAU

Guess who was consistently at top of all 3 major sports? La Tech

Like I said I would take La Tech and WKU over Marshall any day of the week. And it’s not even close who has better overall athletic program

That data does not include 2022 and when you are using a higher number of games played for some schools and lower for some others its going to also play into it. Then you have the SOS Problem of 2 of Marshalls winningest seasons their SOS was DEAD LAST in one and 109 of 128 in another.

(05-23-2022 12:38 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  Basketball:
LA Tech 185-82 (69.29%)
ODU 168-94 (64.12%)
UAB 162-100 (61.83%)
WKU 141-88 (61.57%)
MTSU 148-111 (57.14%)
Marshall 139-121 (53.46%)
UTEP 127-121 (51.21%)
North Texas 128-126 (50.39%)
FIU 113-138 (45.02%)
Southern Miss 108-140 (43.55%)
UTSA 106-144 (42.40%)
Rice 104-148 (41.27%)
Charlotte 97-141 (40.76%)
FAU 96-147 (39.51%)

This is the most interesting part of this thread. CUSA did improve in basketball, bottom five programs exiting. UNCC 40%, yikes, listening to their fans I would have lost that under/over bet.

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

edit: the link you used was only till 2021 and while Western played in the SBC for 2 of the last 10 Western's SOS for those 2 years were better than Marshalls

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.


That should make Jax St and Sam Houston fans feel a lot better about where their futures might be.

Tech had 73 wins
Middle 66 wins

But they do have a MBB title.

(05-23-2022 12:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-23-2022 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(05-22-2022 07:51 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  A lot was expected of Marshall when they entered CUSA. Some believed Marshall could be a challenger for BCS bowls or NY6 bids, but it never materialized.

Mark me down as one fan that is excited to see Jacksonville State, Liberty, et al take the banner and run with it.

Maybe Marshall failed to live up to live up to the lofty expectations many had set for them, but they did end up being the winningest football program in CUSA over the last decade, and by a decent margin. I think that has to count for something. It's hard for me to have lofty expectations of other programs if others in my conference aren't living up to those same expectations. No current CUSA or SBC program has been to a BCS or NY6 bowl. You can say good riddens, but I'm happy the SBC gave them a home. They'll be a good program for us.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more.../99119936/

Liberty has a decent change to carry the banner. JSU will need some time to get up to speed.

Do what...

80 wins vs 78 for Western is not a "a decent margin" and then you look at other factors....

Marshall did not have a coaching change while Western won 78 games under 5 head coaches.

Without checking and I'm not to waste the time doing so, I would bet not many other program in all of college football won 78 games over the last 10 seasons and lets not use 5 different coaches but 3.

I bet that is a very short list and especially in the G5 and even shorter when you add in 2 conference championships and played for another one. I will add a bad instant replay review from a 8-0 and a 3rd championship

One other thing, Western was fully moved up 13 years ago and went through a 0-26 counting the move up year and started out 0-18 after becoming full FBS members. So Marshall has 2 more wins and one less championship than a school that moved up 13 years ago.

I mean, that's one way to spin it, and those are interesting points. Marshall lead by 7 percentage points, where the next three were all within three points. I'd say that's not a "wide margin" but a decent margin nonetheless. You can't just count wins, you have to count losses as well, and to clarify, almost every argument about winningest football programs has been based on win percentage, not just wins, or conference championships.

The rest of what you've said is kind of whatever to me. Things played out like they did. It's great that WKU was able to truck along with so many coaches. The fact is, and this all I'm trying to say, is that Marshall isn't the scrubs many CUSA fans believe they are. Some CUSA fans are saying the SBC took their bottom feeders, and the numbers don't bear that out. The AAC took CUSA's bottom programs, and the numbers do bear that out.

By the numbers, Marshall is a very good football program, and I'm glad to have them. I don't really care as much about the minutiae, they've been a good football program for CUSA despite not winning as many conference championships as some non-marshall fans would have expected. I'm not trying to start a fight, I rarely post here, just saying what I was thinking. Carry on.